Metallica..

Karl Hungus

It's still a complete change of style, no matter how you look at it. And the fact that they're making more money now, than when they were a Glam band, really just hits the nail on the head. They sold out!

So I dont see how you can defend Pantera, and simultaneously slam Metallica.

cournioni

Originally posted by Lemming
*cough cough* ... Five years .... god forbid that ANYONE should ever be allowed change their mind about something ... I know I have. Have you?

Pornapster ... you're missing the point of what music actually is. It is supposed to be about self-expression. Hence there is no "right or wrong" way of doing music. Only different. I do draw the distinction between musicians and the likes of the performing monkeys like the boy/girl bands because they are not trying to express anything other than "Please give me money". So you'd rather that they concerned themsevles with appeasing you and going against what they FELT to be a path to take for writing THEIR music ???? You're missing the boat on that one.

I wouldn't change my mind if I had PROMISED (which is more or less what it was) that I wouldn't do something, no. Thats more or less like saying "our fans are cool" and then 5 years down the line saying "Our fans eat shit". Thats called selling out when you do it in the certain way that Metallica have done.

Lars Ulrich has said that they *have not changed anything in their music* in an interview I read over the internet a year or so ago. Which is bull. He said that they just haven't quite produced an album to live up to the Black album. BULL! He then referred to Slayer never quite living up to Reign in Blood after it came out. But I don't hear any Slayer fans that are too annoyed by their releases after Reign In Blood, I certainly have no complaints.

cournioni

Originally posted by AngelWhore
It's still a complete change of style, no matter how you look at it. And the fact that they're making more money now, than when they were a Glam band, really just hits the nail on the head. They sold out!

So I dont see how you can defend Pantera, and simultaneously slam Metallica.

But Pantera weren't to know that they would be more successful being a metal band would they? Glam was alot more popular than metal back then. What do you think they are psychic?

Oeneus

About the Kirk bashing of him not liking fans touching him.
I wouldn't really say he said it because he doesn't appreciate his fans and all that crap that you seemed to make it out to be.

Metallica happen to be one of the very few bands that spend countless hours giving attention to their fans before and after gigs and so on.

Karl Hungus

Ah, that's a bit rubbish Oeneus.
Every band I've seen in the past few years, I've been hanging around with them for hours before, and after shows...

I was backstage with Cradle Of Filth a couple of years ago.
And strangely they seem to be presumed to be big arseholes.
Which they're not.

So I think that might tell you something.

Crucifix

I don't care who is supporting them, I'll endure any crap bands to see Metallica. And they can be as gay and anti crowd touching as they like, it doesn't change how good they are.

Morello

What Crucifix said. I never had the chance to see Metallica live even if I listen to them since 1987 and I started to play bass mostly because of them. If they play with some Nu-metal crap bands who cares?

What annoys me most is that 90% of the audience will be aged between 12 and 15.... I'm getting old :rolleyes:

therecklessone

Seen on hotpress.com.

As exclusively revealed last month by Hot Press, Metallica are bringing their Summer Sanitarium Tour to Dublin's RDS on August 21.

Ahead of that comes the June 10 release of St. Anger, their first studio album since 1997's Re: Load, and the eighth in a career that has seen them become the biggest hard rock band on the planet.

The trek kicks off in the States on July 4 with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Mudvayne and The Deftones supporting. While Fred Durst & Co. are believed to have other commitments, the word on the metal grapevine is that the other three will be joining Metallica for the Dublin all-dayer.

cournioni

Originally posted by therecklessone
Seen on hotpress.com.

As exclusively revealed last month by Hot Press, Metallica are bringing their Summer Sanitarium Tour to Dublin's RDS on August 21.

Ahead of that comes the June 10 release of St. Anger, their first studio album since 1997's Re: Load, and the eighth in a career that has seen them become the biggest hard rock band on the planet.

The trek kicks off in the States on July 4 with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Mudvayne and The Deftones supporting. While Fred Durst & Co. are believed to have other commitments, the word on the metal grapevine is that the other three will be joining Metallica for the Dublin all-dayer.

I think I'm gonna puke.

Pugsley

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I think I'm gonna puke.

I think ill join you

Karl Hungus

Jesus! Could you imagine the price the tickets would be!?

****ing hell NO!

I think this captures my feelings on the subject perfectly:

superconor

^---- Angelwhore, once again you have given me a sleepless night.......:p

as for the gig, dunno if i would go see metallica anyway, although a few of my friends are, but with that lot as support?
What?????

s8n

whats wrong with the support (apart from linkin park obviously)...deftones are a seriously heavy band (saw them in the sfx a few years back and they are incredible live) and mudvayne are the most promising new band around at the mo.

cournioni

Originally posted by s8n
whats wrong with the support (apart from linkin park obviously)...deftones are a seriously heavy band (saw them in the sfx a few years back and they are incredible live) and mudvayne are the most promising new band around at the mo.

Think of it this way... They could have got In Flames to support, they could have got Meshuggah to support, they could get alot better bands to support them in other words. Rather than nu-metal bands.

Lemming

Originally posted by superconor

but with that lot as support?

Get drunk, scare the baby-goths and kiddies and show them the proper definition of "mosh" when "Damage Inc." gets played (rather appropriate title for a song in this context ..... hehe)

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Lemming
baby-goths and kiddies

Do I have to go on another ranting spree!?


But apart from that, IF the bands are as said, and it is an all-day gig... You're pretty much guaranteed that the tickets are going to be anything over 100 euro!!! Now, for the simple fact that I'd usually pay anything about 15-20 euro for a band that I enjoy FAR more than Metallica, I think it's a pretty naff situation, and I'd never pay so much just to see a single band, ever.

s8n

how can you call mudvayne nu-metal. Even the deftones can't be catagorised with it.

WhiteWashMan

Lemming, dont bother arguing with pornapster. he is one of the few people here who cannot see a viewpoint if it slapped him on the head. he is also one of the 'i hate linkin park and limp biskit coz my friends does and i want to look cool, but really i dont know much about music outside of my own little catagory' brigade.

not worth the hassle.

so, everyone has a problem with linkin park or whoever is on stage first. well, you know what, you can always just skip them and go and see metallica.

oh, and pornapster, for the record, i doent bother me if metallica 'sold out' or not. you say they said theyd never make a video. i bet you said at 10 years old that youd never kiss a girl. i bet you say now you will never listen to any other music, that you will never wear flares and you will never get your hair cut or whatever.
i tiell you what, when you can come out and say you will never do something,a nd you dont do it for the rest of your life, then come back to me. the fact is that they make a lot of money, and i enjoy their music, and i like them more these days than their early music. i think they are creative and progressive, and are really pushing themselves outside the comfort zone of churning out the same old rubbish. the same rubbish that all your favourite bands make in fact.
ive had this argument a thousand times with you,a dn you are still uneducated and uninspired when it comes to music.
and you support acrap football team.

come back when you can give me a proper, well thought out argument on metallica and their selling out status please.
as for the rest of the moaners, grow up.

cournioni

Originally posted by s8n
how can you call mudvayne nu-metal. Even the deftones can't be catagorised with it.

Whatever. They're ****.

cournioni

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
Lemming, dont bother arguing with pornapster. he is one of the few people here who cannot see a viewpoint if it slapped him on the head. he is also one of the 'i hate linkin park and limp biskit coz my friends does and i want to look cool, but really i dont know much about music outside of my own little catagory' brigade.

There you go again... You know me really well don't you? I'm not even gonna bother telling you all the bands I like outside the metal circle. You'd just come back with another answer with absolutely nothing to do with the topic as always.

so, everyone has a problem with linkin park or whoever is on stage first. well, you know what, you can always just skip them and go and see metallica.

Another un thought out answer there. People are paying good money to see a good show. There's just no point in paying €70+ just to see one band that will only play for 2 hours (maybe less).

oh, and pornapster, for the record, i doent bother me if metallica 'sold out' or not. you say they said theyd never make a video. i bet you said at 10 years old that youd never kiss a girl. i bet you say now you will never listen to any other music, that you will never wear flares and you will never get your hair cut or whatever.

As a matter of fact I was quite a randy fucker when I was 10. I'm always listening to "other" music, you just think I don't because I'm a big fan of metal. I suppose having tons of Zappa's stuff is not listening to "other" music.

i tiell you what, when you can come out and say you will never do something,a nd you dont do it for the rest of your life, then come back to me. the fact is that they make a lot of money, and i enjoy their music, and i like them more these days than their early music. i think they are creative and progressive, and are really pushing themselves outside the comfort zone of churning out the same old rubbish. the same rubbish that all your favourite bands make in fact.

LOL... I have no problems with your opinions. Music as they say is for the individual. I'd rather listen to Morbid Angel releasing something like Domination all the time than listen to them releasing something like Metallica's piece of shit that is Load.

ive had this argument a thousand times with you,a dn you are still uneducated and uninspired when it comes to music.

come back when you can give me a proper, well thought out argument on metallica and their selling out status please.
as for the rest of the moaners, grow up.

Yeah sure, you know me real well don't you. I don't see you saying much about your knowledge of music do I? Yeah I suppose you went to Berkley did you? Big smart music fellow.

Why don't you challenge my arguement on Metallica and their selling status? Instead of posting the same old shit again and again.

Karl Hungus

Now, I'm not agreeing with Pornapster here, but WWMan you're aeriously just as, if not more, repetive than him on the subject.

All you do is push across a 'Holier Than Thou' attitude, and add absolutely nothing to the arguement.

And I think it's just complete irony that the BOTH of you seem just as ignorant and unaccepting of each others view-points, and you are BOTH seemingly as unshakable on the subject as each other. And I find it funny that in all your High and Mighty acts, that you dont see this.

Have Metallica sold out?
It's a null point, so I dont even debate it.
It's as simple as 'I dislike what they're doing now.'

Would I like to see Metallica again?
Yes, I would. But not to the point of having to pay for 4-5 other bands that I dont want to see.
So your point of 'Just miss the support' is completely null.
It's down to a factor of how much you'd be willing to pay to see a band you'd like.

So why dont you come back when you actualy have an arguement on the subject? Because as far as I can see, you're pushing the same kind of attitude that you're accusing Pornapster of having.

Ironic.

cournioni

Originally posted by AngelWhore
And I think it's just complete irony that the BOTH of you seem just as ignorant and unaccepting of each others view-points, and you are BOTH seemingly as unshakable on the subject as each other. And I find it funny that in all your High and Mighty acts, that you dont see this.

I can accept other peoples points/views. However this is a bulletin board, its here so you can debate on points you agree or disagree with. I haven't said anything personal about Lemming or anyone else. I just disagree with his point, everyone is entitled to their opinion on the topic.

Karl Hungus

If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.

s8n

ok.....so we're allowed our opinion as long as we all agree with pornapster and his definitive view on metal music which goes something like..."if they are popular they sold out and therefore suck...lets go listen to cradle or some other goth sh*te that'll never sell much"

**rant over**

BTW mudvayne and deftones still rock

.......meshuggah :rolleyes:

cournioni

Originally posted by s8n
ok.....so we're allowed our opinion as long as we all agree with pornapster and his definitive view on metal music which goes something like..."if they are popular they sold out and therefore suck...lets go listen to cradle or some other goth sh*te that'll never sell much"

Pantera sell lots, Led Zeppelin sell lots, AC/DC sell lots, Guns 'n' Roses sell lots... I'm a fan of them, am I saying that they have sold out? No. Now read my posts properly before you make another inaccurate comment. In Flames are alot more popular than Mudvayne anyway. I don't know anyone who likes em anyway.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by s8n
ok.....so we're allowed our opinion as long as we all agree with pornapster and his definitive view on metal music which goes something like..."if they are popular they sold out and therefore suck...lets go listen to cradle or some other goth sh*te that'll never sell much"

**rant over**

BTW mudvayne and deftones still rock

.......meshuggah :rolleyes:

Cradle Of Filth aren't goth, and they sell loads!!!

Also, they've completely sold out.

Giblet

Well seems that there is a "nu" fanbase for Metallica, of little kiddie rockers, I'd say putting linkin park was a good idea., because as many people would not go because of this, there are thrice the kiddies who would.

/|/)etal)-|ead

OMG I just can't believe how bad the supporting bands are. I find it hard to even imagine a worse line up.

It seems crazy to have Metallica playing with them. Surely Metallica's fans would be a COMPLETELY different demographic.
Metallica play music, the others do some fcking pathetic whore rap thing, or dont even try to fckin play anything( mudvayne, deftones ).
"kids" don't like metallica. They don't think they're "cool".

I just hope that this disturbing news does not indicate a new "direction" in Metallica's new album, to try to latch on to the "kiddie" audience like the other bands on the tour ( which, presumably, would prove a lot more profitable. )

I have never seen Metallica live, and they've been my favourite band for a few years now. I was very excited that they were playing in the summer. They're getting old, I doubt they'll ever bother coming back here if their new album bombs. I really doubt I'll even bother going now, the other bands are so pathetic I really dont want to give them any more money.

I would suggest bottle throwing, but they really aren't worth the fcking arm movement.
This sucks

Drunk pirate

Pornapster is entitled to his own opinion. So don't be delving into his personal life. Thats just ****in' turd-like. Pantera were a glam-metal band and now are a metal band. Reason: Glam-metal was popular. Full ****in' stop. If they wan't money fine. Plus there is a big connection between Pantera's old music and new music. Dimebag allways had his style.

Also talent in metal was more extream than Glam-metal. They obviously thought they could get more attention by releasing thier full potential. Domination is all I say.
Sold out.......I don't think so. Plus pantera were only (really) popullar by Vulgar display of power.

Meshuggah would be a sweet selection. I think metallica belive everyone likes these bands. Can't blame em' thier ancient. So whats so bad about Meshuggah s8n? Have you seen mudvayne or deftones do solo's recently? More than 5 seconds long?

Suck it:mad:

Karl Hungus

Sorry to have to point it out to you, Drunk Pirate... But try and keep up with my humour.