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Hardest FF?
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OK, here goes.
First of all:
Nah the RPG board is only for western RPGs like Ultima and the likes. There was a Final Fantasy board for a short while, i was the moderator.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">btw the rpg board has few nough posts without you stealing FF.
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That happens with all of them. Maybe it was automatic in 8, i dont know, i never payed much attention to 8.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">8 was hardest of those three, because the monsters levels went up as yours did.</font><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">FF8 was easy, you can get to level 100 in no time. FF7 takes for ever, I only have five Level 99 people.</font>
Ok, levels. Again, im not sure about 8, but if you got to level 99 in 7, the game ending became virtually impossible. As for getting your character level up that far, its easy if you know how. Ok, heres how.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I think you misunderstood Chubby, It gets **** hard at high levels, not easier.</font>
In the final dungeon (which you can get out of once you enter - some ppl think you cant) there is an enemy in about 3 screens only, called magic pots. When you fight them they will yell 'gimme elixir!'. If you ignore them, they are impossible to beat, but they will steal good stuff off you and then escape. If you give them an elixir, they wont do anything more the whole battle, but you can beat the crud out of them. They give you tons of XP and AP - cant remember the exact numbers, think its 10000 XP and 100 AP. Naturally, you would run out of elixirs fairly quickly doing this a lot, so utilise this <ahem>tip, to help you along. Get W-Item. You can get it in Midgar when you drop in to the abandoned railway on the second disk - just keep going back into the screen for ages instead of forward away from the screen. W-Item lets you use 2 items in 1 go. In a battle, select an elixir with w-item, slect a character, select another elixir, but on the character select for the second elixir, CANCEL OUT instead of confirming. Mysteriously, you now have 1 extra elixir. Just keep pressing select, cancel, select, cancel to increase you supply of elixirs until you have 99. Do this whenever you run low on them. Now you have plenty to give the magic pots. Another idea when fighting magic pots is to equip EXP Up and Gil Up materia (or whatever theyre called). Use Clouds Apocalypse weapon (which you can get in the ancient forest) and Cids Scimitar weapon (which you get in the underwater reactor, i think), because they both have triple materia growth. In this way you will not only level up to 99 in no time, you will also be able to get the Master Magic, Master Summon and Master Command materias much quicker. The first time i played the game, my level ups took ages, because i did it all in the downed-shinra-plane underwater. Which leads me onto one last level up point - if you want to increase your basic stats you can do this indefnitely as well. Each of the 6 monsters in the Gelnika (underwater plane) can be morphen into one of the 6 'sources' in the game, thus providing an eternal source of stats.
I didnt spend too long on 8, but i know it well enough to know that the level up places are on the opposite sides of the world, one on an island called 'The Island Closest To Heaven' and the other on 'The Island Closest To Hell'. The monsters are all on level 100 here, afaik, so be prepared for a tough fight, and use the GF Diablos for 9999 damage!
*Anyway*
You dont try to kill it now, even if you knock off all its HP, its final attack will kill you. Come back later, and youll beat the crap out of it with you little finger, and to add insult to injury, kill it with little attacks so that it casts the final attack (the 'Beta') and then learn it with Enemy Skills<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Weh, FF7... how the fup do you beat that big snake-like fvcker? Called the midgar zolom, or something similar. I have just caught me first chocobo and visited the marshy area where sephiroth impaled one of those snake-like thingys ... do i just run away from it or try to kill it ?</font>
Wahey!! Someone else who agrees with my liking of Final 5! I wouldnt say it was the hardest though, but Exdeath was a cool bad guy... I finished it, but i cant remember the boss youre talking about...<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Final fantasy 5 (3) had to be the hardest, with a lot of options open like making your characters theifs or warriors or priests....i REALY enjoyed it, i still cant get past he boss in the mountain (you use whip to climb over gorge)</font>
The first time i finished it i was on level 45, and i didnt have Knights of the Round (it was touch and go though - Barrett and Cid were both poisoned minied frogs, and Cloud was on 300 HP when he got the Limit Break which finished Sephiroth off). As for the Weapon bosses? Thats complete bull****. Ive defeated both weapon bosses at level 65/70. Its very straightforward once you know how to do it. Heres how:<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Its easy to *finish* the games ie. defeating the last boss eg sepiroth (can be done easily at around level 50) but defeating the Weapon bosses requires you to have all your characters at level 100 ...</font>
Emerald Weapon
Emerald is much harder than Ruby. He can deal 9999 damage to all characters in one shot, making him conventionally impossible to beat. There are 2 ways to guard against this (a good way and a bad way
), but both should be employed. First off, have one character carry the enemy skills materia. There was a skill you could get from the beach plug, down on the coast beside costa del sol. You have to manipulate them to get them to cast it on you. Its called big guard (you can get a version of it in ff9). It casts full Barrier, MBarrier and haste on all your party, but costs 50MP or something. If you have the barrier still active when he casts the 9999 damage spell, it will only do 8888 damage. Wahey. Thats the bad way, but you should cast it at the beginning of the battle anyway. The other way is to use the Final Attack materia in conjunction with Phoenix summon spell. You got Phoenix at the Huge Materia battle at Condor Fort and you can get Final Attack by winning the Gold Saucer Special duel (which becomes available to contest once youve got enough BP and won Omnislash and W-Summon). A tip for the Gold Saucer duels - go into the battle on your limit break, and with mime materia. Use your limit break and mime it again and again. Anyway, with Final Attack and Phoenix, Emeralds big attack will kill you, but Phoenix will bring you all back to life at full HP, AND damage Emerald as well (note that you can only do this once for each star on both Final Attack AND Phoenix, until you have mastered them, and as long as you have enough MP). So thats the basic defence covered. There are of course lots of other things you can do (such as regen), but those are the fundamental necessites. To beat Emerald, you (naturally) have to have Knights of the Round, a summon spell you can get only when you have a gold chocobo. I hope youve been breeding ever since disc 2! KOTR is available on Round Island, an unmarked island on the top right corner of your screen. The Highwind cant land there. Since you have a gold chocobo, (i will only go into breeding details on request) you can get to the Materia cave on Wutai continent as well, where you pick up the vital Mime materia - a piece of rock which copies the last action one of your guys did, FOR FREE! You get the idea. It would be so much better if you had 2 mime materias as well, 1 might not be enough. Try to master it before fighting Emerald. Heres the trick. Give W-Summon, Knights of the Round, a Magic Plus Materia and an MP Plus (at least 1!) to character 1. To make it more impressive, stick MP absorb (which you got in Wutai when Yuffie ran off) onto KOTR. MP Turbo is fun as well. Give mime to the other 2 charcters. Now W-Summon KOTR and get the other 2 characters to mime it. Skip the casters turn and mime it again. DONT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT MIME. Anything else will break the routine, but each mime will cast KOTR twice, for free (it usually costs 250 MP). When he kills you and you come back with Final Attack, you will need to cast KOTR again, which is why using MP absorb is such a good idea - make sure both KOTR and W-Summon are on at least level 2! Mime it until he dies. He has 1 million HP, so work it out yourself how long it will take. Speaking of time, there is one other thing i forgot to mention. The 20 minute limit will not be achievable due to KOTRs ridiculously long time! However, there is an enemy in the underwater reactor, in one screen only. You cant miss him - hes a skeleton in a raft. You fight him in the gold saucer duel sometimes as well. Hes in the cool-looking glass passage, and you can morph him into 'Underwater Materia', which will let you fight Emerald indefnitely.
So thats emerald finished.
Ruby
After Emerald, Ruby really is easy. The same basic trick is used, but another trick has to be used to start the battle. When you go into the battle, Ruby will be unbeatable. There is nothing you can do to harm him. Then he will remove 2 of your characters from the battle permanently, and stick his claws in the ground. This is the signal that you can actually now deal damage to him, but 2 things also come up from behind, which block you from escaping and do damage occasionally as well. You also have only i chharacter left. Impossible to win.
So heres the trick. You go into the battle with characters 1 and 3 already dead. Rubys first move will now be to stick his claws into the ground. Character 2 casts phoenix to revive everyone (theres no danger of them being removed after that), and then the character with W-Summon, Hades (which you got in the downed shinra plane) and KOTR attacks. You W-Summon Hades, once on front of you and once behind you. This will give Ruby and his little spiky friends every bad status condition in the book - including Stop. Now W-Summon KOTR and do the mime trick. Ruby wont touch you as you hit him again and again. He will probably start moving again one or 2 turns before he dies, but he'll be too late by then.
Now that youve beaten thhm, go talk to the old man in the house in Kalm. He'll give you all 3 Master Materias for beating Emerald, and a Gold Chocobo for beating Ruby.
And thats how it goes
Now to answer the question which was actually asked - I think 6 was the hardest, there were a couple of really difficult bosses (like the one at the top of the magic tower) which proved dead hard to beat. None of them were too hard, but 8 was VERY easy.
Anyway. This is probably the longest post ive ever made to the boards.
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one little thing you forgot to mention asuka -
when your leveling up in the final dungeon, besides just fighting the pots, you should also try and come across the bouncing red balls as often as possible. they give you absolutely massive exp points, the most of any monster in the game i think, and they do alomst no damge to you of any kind and are p|ss easy to kill. they're in the same area as the pots, but i think there was 1 particular spot they appeared very often...
just startin to remember how much i love ff, never really played 8 properly... never played 9 at all, must give that a go sometime
just outa curiousity, what appeals to most of you about the game, the battles/tactics as shown above or the story line/character involvement/atmosphere setting aspect??0 -
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It would take a hell of a lot longer than a year to learn Japanese to a level where you'd be able to play an untranslated Final Fantasy game<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Wait a year for the english translation or learn japanese and import it?</font>
Coming out in the USA before Xmas in English. W00t.
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Really? I heard it won't be out in the states til summer 2002. If it's out around xmas and no european release in sight then I guess I'll chip my ps2 and import it<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
It would take a hell of a lot longer than a year to learn Japanese to a level where you'd be able to play an untranslated Final Fantasy game
Coming out in the USA before Xmas in English. W00t.
(And there's a proper chip out for the PS2 now as well...)</font>.
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Lol! Her name was pronounced 'Aerith' in the japanese copy, although granted it wasnt written 'Aerith' because they were writing it in katakana<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sliotar:
i believe you'll find her name is Aeris, not Aerith mr. final fantasy know it all :P</font> Her name was Aerith in the American copy, and was only changed (wrongly) for the European copy. I always used Aerith (except the first time i played it when i didnt know), because i think it sounds better.
The name 'Utai' was also changed for the European copy, on the grounds that it was difficult to say without another letter, hence the European 'Wutai'. Some other things were changed, and you'll have to get used to me using the former pronunciations - for instance, i always refer to 'All' materias as 'Enemy-All' materias.
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