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The Project for the New American Century

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  • 01-03-2003 12:48pm
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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Here's a fun idea... when you are reading keep humming the Ride of the Valkyries to yourself. The military music from The Empire Strikes Back works too...


    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    Found this a few weeks ago:
    The Origins of the Bush Iraq War Plan
    The 1998 Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz Memo to Clinton
    by JASON LEOPOLD

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz undertook a full-fledged lobbying campaign in 1998 to get former President Bill Clinton to start a war with Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein's regime claiming that the country posed a threat to the United States, according to documents obtained from a former Clinton aide.

    This new information begs the question: what is really driving the Bush Administration's desire to start a war with Iraq if two of Bush's future top defense officials were already planting the seeds for an attack five years ago?

    In 1998, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were working in the private sector. Both were involved with the right-wing think tank Project for a New American Century, which was established in 1997 by William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, to promote global leadership and dictate American foreign policy.

    While Clinton was dealing with the worldwide threat from Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz wrote to Clinton urging him to use military force against Iraq and remove Hussein from power because the country posed a threat to the United States due to its alleged ability to develop weapons of mass destruction. The Jan 26, 1998 letter sent to Clinton from the Project for the New American Century said a war with Iraq should be initiated even if the United States could not muster support from its allies in the United Nations. Kristol also signed the letter.

    "We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War," says the letter. "In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power."

    "We urge you to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council," says the letter.


    The full contents of the Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz letter can be viewed at http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm.

    Clinton rebuffed the advice from the future Bush Administration officials saying he was focusing his attention on dismantling Al-Qaeda cells, according to a copy of the response Clinton sent to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Kristol.

    Unsatisfied with Clinton's response, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristol and others from the Project for the New American Century wrote another letter on May 29, 1998 to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Republican Majority Leader Trent Lott saying that the United States should "establish and maintain a strong U.S. military presence in the region, and be prepared to use that force to protect our vital interests in the Gulf - and, if necessary, to help remove Saddam from power."

    "We should take whatever steps are necessary to challenge Saddam Hussein's claim to be Iraq's legitimate ruler, including indicting him as a war criminal," says the letter to Gingrich and Lott. "U.S. policy should have as its explicit goal removing Saddam Hussein's regime from power and establishing a peaceful and democratic Iraq in its place. We recognize that this goal will not be achieved easily. But the alternative is to leave the initiative to Saddam, who will continue to strengthen his position at home and in the region. Only the U.S. can lead the way in demonstrating that his rule is not legitimate and that time is not on the side of his regime."


    The letter to Gingrich and Lott can be viewed at http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqletter1998.htm.

    The White House would not comment on the letters or whether Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz possessed any intelligence information that suggested Iraq posed an imminent threat to the United States at the time. The letters offered no hard evidence that Iraq was in possession of weapons of mass destruction.

    The Clinton aide said the former President believed that the policy of "containing Saddam Hussein in a box" was successful and that the Iraqi regime did not pose any threat to U.S. interests at the time.

    President Clinton "never considered war with Iraq an option," the former aide said. "We were encouraged by the UN weapons inspectors and believed they had a good handle on the situation."

    Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Kristol, however, disagreed; saying the only way to deal with Hussein was by initiating a full-scale war.

    "The policy of "containment" of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months," Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Kristol wrote in their letter to Clinton. "As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power."

    Those alleged threats posed by Iraq and the advice Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Weekly Standard Editor William Kristol first offered the attention of the Clinton Administration five years ago have now become the blueprint for how the Bush Administration is dealing with the Iraq.

    The existence of the Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz "war" letters is just another reason to question the Bush Administration's desire to go to war with Iraq now instead of dealing with other pressing issues such as Al-Qaeda. Because the letters were written in 1998 it proves that this war was planned well before 9-11 and casts further doubt on the claims that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9-11 terrorist attacks.


    From Counterpunch.org.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Von


    I mentioned that site in the new new world order thread and it's being plastered all over the media now. Dan Quayle's involved with it. Maybe he's in line to become governor of post invasion Iraq. In addition to the bases (map of deployments here, there's the proposed "missile shield" to defend against "rogue states" which only makes sense if the intent is to defend against long-range missiles or ship-born missiles. Of the potential nuclear rivals in a position to launch such a strike against the US, only Russia and China figure, and Russia has ceased to be a threat to the US. That leaves only China, and the recent leaked Nuclear Posture Review explicitly mentions China as a potential target. There's also the development of new battlefield nukes, and an expressed intent to use them. It doesn't make sense that they'd be used against relatively weak third world states, except as tests or demonstrations, but coupled with the missile shield, they make the idea of taking on a strong foe like China more tempting.

    A while back, from somewhere in 50's sitcom la-la land, bob the unlucky octopus said - "...I'll worry about Pentagon hawks like Paul Wolfowitz making real political decisions the day we become a military dictatorship and not before. That appears to be a day that will probably never come, so I pay no mind to defence hawks, they exist in every administration- they take orders from civilians. I would instead, worry far more about hawks in executive positions- one only need look at the march to the hard right in Europe to expose the hypocrisy of pointing the finger at US hawks."

    Crazy. But what could undermine such a long-term project is the failure of the Bush administration to be re-elected. If the ambitions of the US Administration is to construct global empire, it must either stay in power, or persuade successor regimes (Democrat or Republican) to adopt and continue the project. The scope of the project is completely unattainable in a single, or maybe even a two term, presidency. It's a bit of a puzzle - unless a coup is being planned. Heh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    I love the way once America has Iraq conquered, they'll have Iran nearly totally sandwiched in and isolated. This war in the middle east began two years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Nagilum


    Originally posted by DadaKopf
    While Clinton was dealing with the worldwide threat from Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden

    Haha, that's a good one! How about:

    "While Clinton was preparing to do an end-around of the UN and bomb Kosovo without seeking any international approval..."

    Or how about, "As Clinton was turning down an offer from Sudan to hand over bin laden and told them to deport him instead"

    Or, "As Clinton was ignoring specific intelligence that would have provided the best opportunity to kill bin laden"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    We know that both sides, Democrat and Republican, are as bad as each other so, what's your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 Jes'Shout!


    No one is safe from Bush and his cowboy maniacs....not even the people of the United States. What's next? Tanks down Mainstreet, USA? I'm not joking!!!! But then again, who needs tanks when you can keep your people in line by controlling the delivery of food, fuel, water and medical resources........"the horror, the horror".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Éomer of Rohan


    Maybe we should just allow Osama and his crackpot adherents to eliminate America entirely. He would be doing the world a favour. America is utterly corrupted by power and therein lies the problems of the world since time began; power corrupts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 645 ✭✭✭TomF


    Correct me if I'm out of line, but I didn't think it was kosher to post long articles lifted from the Internet. Can I do the same? I have several in mind.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,409 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Originally posted by TomF
    Correct me if I'm out of line, but I didn't think it was kosher to post long articles lifted from the Internet. Can I do the same? I have several in mind.
    In moderation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Biffa Bacon


    Originally posted by Éomer of Rohan
    Maybe we should just allow Osama and his crackpot adherents to eliminate America entirely. He would be doing the world a favour. America is utterly corrupted by power and therein lies the problems of the world since time began; power corrupts.
    Typical Communist. Sees nothing wrong with genocide as long as it furthers his political aims.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,409 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Originally posted by DeVore
    The military music from The Empire Strikes Back works too...
    "The Imperial March" I believe.


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