ntl cable seems sweet but is it still only available in west dublin

Horsefumbler

30 euro a month for 512k cable that is ****ing cool but is it still only available to a small area?

Saruman

Im west Dub and there is nothing even close.. no NTL is available in certain parts of Tallaght.. thats about it. maybe some of Clondalkin.. not sure.. pricewise its spot on.. but they are bankrupt pretty much.. had they got more availability for their internet at that price and they could have saved themselves maybe.

Lucifer

its available in parts of tallaght, templeogue, and a few other areas around

its €35 a month, and €5 rental on the modem unless you bought it at the start, but now they are charging €40 a month for everybody, rental included. they are also increasing the connection to 600Kb/s.

:):)

Lenny

Its been increased to 600k,
Some people also got increased to 1meg for free by visitng a special site that was for their engineers :cool: :cool: :cool:

Tom

Any chance you know the site address?

Lenny

I do yes, but its been changed.. so its no longer avaible to the public..

Capt'n Midnight

The regulator told them they had to roll out digital TV instead otherwise they would have lost a license (MMDS ?).

So instead of being able to provide most of Dublin with an existing BB product at a fraction of the price that the telco's are promising for future products - they have been forced to re-sell SKY at more or less the same price as SKY sell it (hardly a killer marketing proposition compared to extrapolating the Tallaght cable modem takeup to the whole of Dublin.)

Frankly it is difficult to see how Eircon's overpriced or ESAT's vapourware products would stand up to real competition and conspiracy theory would say that is why NTL got knifed.

Hmm.... there isn't any way we could ask UTV to buy NTL

El Capitano

Sloth

I think it's fair to say that irish broadband are the new ntl as far as broadband providing goes. While yes, atm their area might be very limited at least they're getting there and hopefully within 2 months I'll be availing of their transmitter in Blanchardstown.

spongebob

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
The regulator told them they had to roll out digital TV instead otherwise they would have lost a license (MMDS ?).

So instead of being able to provide most of Dublin with an existing BB product at a fraction of the price that the telco's are promising for future products - they have been forced to re-sell SKY at more or less the same price as SKY sell it (hardly a killer marketing proposition compared to extrapolating the Tallaght cable modem takeup to the whole of Dublin.)

Hmm.... there isn't any way we could ask UTV to buy NTL

El Capitano

NTL had promised Digital Telly and Interactive wotsits and a viewing 'experience' to all by 2001 sometime. They promised that 2 way cable (the Internet Upgrades) would also progress. Interactive Telly was to come after Digital and 2 Way cable.
Then they stopped spending on upgrades after doing a bit of Dublin and gradually went bankrupt.

The licencing condition that they were committed to was to Upgrade ALL their customers to Digital TV irrespective of whether they were Cable or MMDS. They have no licencing committment as regards BB or Internewt or 2 Way cable, they could turn off the BB system in the morning with NO regulatory consequence to themselves.

During the period of the Big Promise to upgrade, SKY Digital rolled out and proceeeded to crucify the MMDS service with a better product at the same price or slightly less. The BBC will now go free to Air in 2 months which will crucify SKY in turn I suspect.

Meanwhile, NTL have to upgrade the MMDS system to digital, in full, by June 2003 despite losing customers all the time.

IMO their future is in cable only.....preferably 2 way.

They were 'about' to sell the MMDS bit in 2000 for €24m and were selling the MMDS again last year to an ex Cablelink geezer for €5m but this fell thru ISTR. They then realised that they HAD to upgrade the MMDS to Digital as agreed.....so they announced it Again .

UTV have no interest in MMDS either I should think.

M

Capt'n Midnight

If NTL don't roll out BB and BBC also go FTA then getting a sat dish will look like a viable option for a lot of people - especially if C4 or UTV go FTA or start transmitting here too. If this happens then the future for Irish Digital terresterial TV will also start to look up as people start to buy aerials for the local channels - all funded by the money they will save on NTL.

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If there were money for it (eg: If UTV were to buy NTL) a BB roll out city wide with 5-10% of existing cable customers takeup then Dublin finally enters the 21st century and everyone but the Telco's are happy.

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Agree that NTL have broken promises but that was due to REAL market conditions not like the feeble excuses the Telco's are using to try to worm out of their BB commitments...

A lot of this can be pointed at stated as opposed to actual Gov't / Comreg priorities.
Which is more important ?- our ability to watch Foreign pay TV channels or a connection to the "information super highway"......

spongebob

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
If NTL don't roll out BB and BBC also go FTA then getting a sat dish will look like a viable option for a lot of people - especially if C4 or UTV go FTA or start transmitting here too. If this happens then the future for Irish Digital terresterial TV will also start to look up as people start to buy aerials for the local channels - all funded by the money they will save on NTL.

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If there were money for it (eg: If UTV were to buy NTL) a BB roll out city wide with 5-10% of existing cable customers takeup then Dublin finally enters the 21st century and everyone but the Telco's are happy.

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Agree that NTL have broken promises but that was due to REAL market conditions not like the feeble excuses the Telco's are using to try to worm out of their BB commitments...

A lot of this can be pointed at stated as opposed to actual Gov't / Comreg priorities.
Which is more important ?- our ability to watch Foreign pay TV channels or a connection to the "information super highway"......

Thems the issues. FTA Beeb is not cut n dried in Dublin. Planning restrictions on dishes (80 CM is advised) may prevent de Dub from self provisioning.

In rural areas with analogue MMDS most people have 80cm dishes already, such as in Galway. Most houses in my area have(unused) MMDS aerials and a SKY dish for the past year or so. SKY is also used to pick up TV3 because the signal availability is patchy county wide and would require another aerial anyway.

The war is over here, Digital MMDS will launch to an underwhelmed population who will invest €150 in an FTA SAT digiboxes instead ....or nothing if they can reconfigure their SKY digiboxes. NTL will gain almost no new customers as a consequence.

In the areas where cable is a must, Apartment blocks in the centre cities are the best example, NTL do not offer their captive market a BB alternative. NTL know this.

IMO the battle will be feebly founght in the burbs, where one could plonk a sat dish on ones semi. Fought is probably too strong a phrase to describe the ineptitude of NTL really.

M