bush and blair here!!

Sterile Fish

its a wat consisting of 3 countries

USA
Britain
Iraq


why d **** are they having a war meeting here!!
fuk off bush and blair we dont want u

war sucks are u pair of **** promote it, fuk off assholes!!

ironbrew

There, there its OK...although i doubt if either Blair or Bush will see your comment!

Sterile Fish

i know that, its the principal i hate them ****

therefore i let it be known, no point hiding emotion is ther?

ironbrew

hmm spose not...ALL HAIL mr Fish!!:)

Antisocialiser

Well i think that the feeling of hate is what causes things like war and violence so in a way ur promoting it urself. Spread the love people - its the only way forward

Sterile Fish

no, hatred doestn fuel war, money and greed does

look at different wars, teh germans didnt attack france and belgium in ww1 and ww2 becuase they hated the, they did it because tehy wanted more land and more power.

if war was fuelled by hatred, then loads of teh shoitty asian countries that cant defend themselves wouldnt be the targets

but they are the targets, they are the targets cos they are expected to roll over and play dead for mr bush.

Antisocialiser

I dont think the americans are gettin much off iraq. After they take control of it they are handing it back to unopressive iraqie rule asap. The reason behind the war is to free opressed and wipe out the threat of suddam using weapons of mass destruction- however wrong you think the war is its justified....greater good and all that

Sterile Fish

but there havnt been any weapons of mass destruction found!
the war may be justified in teh eyes of many, but on my eyes, it isnt. saddam was put in power by america, because he was ruthless, but then america decided that it would be more profitable if they ran the oil themselves, instead of getting it through iraq, so they attacked them, they arent 'liberating' anyone
they were the ones that caused it at teh start!
anyway, im getting bored with arguing

you sir have clearly been affected by teh bush and blair propoganda, they have inssited that its justified, but in my view, war is never justified.

and thats all im gonna say more on this cos i couldnt be bothered arguing

dudeRancher

If we believe the official line, the Taliban attacked America through pure hatred of capitalist society. It wasn't for money or land.

On another note, I have something to say.

To be perfectly honest, I think America deserved it. Not a popular view, but there it sits. If America can destroy the lives of millions of civilians in countries all over the world, it's about time those countries started fighting back.

America has aided and abetted in at least half a dozen coups all over the world, replacing the democratic governments there with dictators, trained and backed by the American government. These people went on to kill hundreds, thousands of their own citizens. Fort Benning in America was also a training ground where the military organisations of these countries were trained in crowd/civilian control and torture.

An example of such training that these countries recieved from America was a case in a certain country where all the men were taken from a village (I can't remember the country) and were tied up and grouped together. Their wives and daughters were raped and killed. Then, they were not shot, but were doused in petrol and set alight and were allowed to burn to death. They were trained to do this in America, remember.

The war on Iraq could have been avoided. America were the ones who put Saddam into power, gave him arms and supported him in the Iraq-Iran conflict. Now they're removing him because he's stopped playing ball and they need the country with the second largest oil deposits in the world.

America ****ed up, now they're trying to rectify their mistake. They're covering it up with grand ideals of a War on Terrorism. Try a War on Democracy. America has been systymatically removing democratic governments from power and replacing them with US-backed dictators so America could step in and remove the resources from those countries. Billions of dollars have been removed from 3rd world countries all over the world and have gone into the failing US economy while the indigenous peoples of these countries scrape a living. Some work in sweat shops owned by companies such as Nike where they earn 72p per week, while we pay anythign up to a hundred quid for the products they create.

Screw America. Let Washington burn. They are the real terrorists. They're arrogant criminals, devoid of morals. Screw 'em. I want to see Capitol Hill in flames. I want to see Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powel marched out into the street, tied up, stripped naked and burned alive. See how they like it. See how they like American training being put into action on them. Lets see what they think of their global policies then. Screw 'em.

Mr_Roger_Bongos

We're all so neutral here!
Frankly i think teh 'spread teh love policy is a good one' put down those nasty guns and hug each other.

In fairness if bin laden had got his act togetehr america would have been hit alot worse than they were (from a cilvilain point of view thank good he couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery)

My explanation;
At the time of the twic towers there were roughly 4000 commercial planes in teh air across america. It took four men per plane, to crash 2 jumbos into each of teh world trade centers. FOUR ****IN MEN! imagine he had a force of 100 sauidis. THATS 25 PLANES worth of hijaking. Targets would have included, the white house, mroe of teh pentagon, teh senate, capitol hill, langley (CIA), FBi headquarters, sky scrapers in chicago, los angeles, san francisco, texas, auston, altalnta etc. I realise that teh timing owuld have been off, and they woudl have blown up the planes that wouldnt land but imagine the damage.

Manakin

If i dont get into my accountancy course in queens im gonna be a world terrorist

Antisocialiser

lol mick u eejit. You lookin my amp next week mate?
Sorry about the off topicness but it seems there is no more i can say as the majority of the wh0res here have already been swayed by both american and anti-american propaganda :P
SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE

Manakin

Yus, if thats ok please and thank you?

Antisocialiser

No probs ask dan cause ill be at work experience

dudeRancher

You're right, Mr. Bongos. Note the first words of my last post... 'If you believe the official line.' It's actually more probable that the attack was orchestrated specifically so America could turn it's guns on the Arab states.

Discuss.

I have my own theory of what happened. It's just a theory, but I've heard and read a fair bit of evidence for it. I wont post it until I have to though, 'cuz it reads a bit like a conspiracy theory. But in a world where George Bush becomes president, the lines between reality and fantasy are getting kinda blurred.

Caio.

Axe

Originally posted by dudeRancher
now they're trying to rectify their mistake

There they are phado, the key words. Is it not better to rectify mistakes than to let them get worse? Everyone's just looking for excuses to condemn the war, i mean any f**king excuse! They see scenes of Iraqis rejoicing and tearing down stautues of saddam and think, "****, I was wrong" and then look for more excuses to oppose the war!
If America didn't take out Saddam, who else would have?? You say that America started it in the first place. Is it not then right that America should end it? You would just love someone else to go into Iraq to take out Saddam, just so u could say that someone had to go around righting America's wrongs. Well tough, America did it, so they get all the credit for the obvious rejoicing of the Iraqi people.

dudeRancher

The mistake I was referring to was the mistake of putting the wrong dictator in power. Certainly I do not condone dictatorship, but this was America's agenda all along. Now they've rectified their mistake by taking out their rogue agent, Saddam. If you think that this was is ending dictatorship in Iraq, you're being naieve. Wait and see what America does with Iraq. There may be a public restoration of democracy, but it will be an American democracy. The type of democracy, in other words, that can have the man who got fewer votes than the other man becomming president. That kind of democracy.

To address your pro-war argument of Iraqis rejoicing in the streets and tearing down statues (an image that will no doubt become a cliche within the next few weeks), perhaps you should consider the thousands of civilian men, women and children who have had family members killed, injured or have been injured themselves. Ask the kid with no arms how he feels about being 'liberated'.

Iraq is getting one regieme in place of another.

Furthermore, I fully believe that if the CIA could raise a coup that put democracy out of Iraq and put Saddam in, they could have easily raised a coup that would have put Saddam out and democracy back in. Why didn't they do this? America is not a democracy, it is not noble, it is not the land of the free. America wants power and money. Not human rights and freedom.

It baffles me how anyone can stick up for America. Americans, fine. A lot of them are stupid, racists hicks, but many of them are fine decent people. Too bad none of these said people are in government.

I await your rebuttle.

Axe

Well, here it is. I do not like America, in fact, i could go as far as to say I despise America, and I think that George Bush is the single biggest moron ever to grace world politics. I also agree that America is not a democracy, on the grounds it doesn't hold fair democratic elections. George Bush was not even elected in the true sense of the word.

However, I like to give credit where i feel it is due, and i also feel that while America removes Saddam, with surprisingly few civilian casualties, I will put my notions of America and "Dubbya" to one side temporarily. In a country which has such a large population, casualties in the low thousands is a microscopic portion of the population as a whole. Compared to most wars, this is miniscule. I wish it was possible to have a war with no civilian casualties, but no such war has ever taken place.

Furthermore, if America had not begun to rectify their mistake as you put it, who would have? The Iraqi people, living in opression? No. Any of the other G7 nations? No. At this point, any further suggestion I feel would be preposterous. America is the only country in the world it would seem, to have the balls to put it right, even if they were responsible in the 1st place. Everyone else, it would appear, is quite happy to see the Iraqis live in squalor and constant oppression. Iraq should be one of the richest countries in the world with its oil resources, but most Iraqis rely on aid.

There will always be contrary opinions to everything, but in this instance, i struggle to see why. You can continue looking back years to see who was responsible in the first place, but you should also look at the present and see who is responsible for it being put right. Looking to the past has no real benefit to anyone, because it does not solve problems, just look at Northern Ireland.

After all Phado, what would you rather see, Iraqis living in a Saddam-free country, where they live in some comfort, following this war, or them living under Saddam's regieme, in constant fear, simply because no-one had the guts to remove him.

Mercury_Tilt

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dudeRancher

The fact that the world made only the most meagre attempts to resolve the situation in Iraq through diplomacy before turning to bombs and guns should say something about these 'heros'. If there was a chance that Saddam could have been removed without war, they should have siezed it, and I firmly believe that he could have been removed without military action. Even if these methods were the underhand and dirty methods that they used to get him there in the first place - in some cases, black operations are justified.

But you're right. Credit where credit is due, they got rid of Saddam. But at what expense? Let's wait and see.

Axe

Well, I'm happy to leave it at that for now if u are. We'll see how things develop shall we?

pauldeehan

Think I'll side with Axe. Would make my own comments but naw. Axe, you're like a son to me. Now here's a tenner. Go buy me booze.;)

(It's a drunken Paul thing)

Axe

Can i keep the change? Glad someone's siding with me. Thought u were all hardline lefties for a while.

PS I am not right wing, just not as far left as u lot.

Metfan

AXE!!!!! Do wat he says an get him his booze....afterall he is ur da..well like it anyway.

Axe

Hey Paul (Da), that tenner wasn't enough for a bottle of JD, so i bought you a tin of p*ss and kept the change.

pauldeehan

Why? My only son betrayed me!