Why Homophobes should be shot

dendenz

A good friend of mine recently came out. The reaction by some of his "so called" friends was somewhat surprising. He was shunned by someone who was suppose to be his so called best friend. It shocked to see the stig=ma some people attached to people who were GLB.

Bard

Shooting them is a bit strong isn't it?

"And people are homophobic! Well, let them... if you're homophobic I don't care...as long as you're homophobic behind closed doors and I don't have to see it,... I don't care." - Eddie Izzard.

azezil

Best friends are the hardest to tell, they think they know you really well then you tell them something like this! they can't help but wonder what else you may have been hiding. True friends will come around eventually, if they don't fuck em!

yellum

Bah, you get idiots in every aspect of your life. People reacting badly to your sexuality is par for the course. Some friends would react badly I guess cos they were oblivious to your sexuality and they feel almost silly that they didn't cop it or as Azezil says they might have felt bad that you didn't tell them sooner and that you hid stuff from them.

Sangre

Originally posted by azezil
True friends will come around eventually, if they don't fuck em!

LoL I couldn't help but laugh at that.


But azezil is right, holding something big like that (i know he prob didnt know) to a best friend is always important, you have to let them re-adjust.

Think of it through the friends point of you, he'll probably think he cant go to the normal bars and 'pull' girls with him anymore. The friend might fell alienated and afraid of rejection because of a new social cicrle.
Everyone involved has to adjust themselves to this lifestyle change, but give him time.

dendenz

I think that homophobes are certainly people in need of an attitude readjustment, to be honest I was a bit surprised at my friend coming out but he'll always be the same old him.

MAC_E

A combination of ignorance, miseducation in school/church and a society adjusting to huge changes in its structure are all to blame.

I think people in Ireland are just plain afraid of change at the end of the day deep down.

DeVore

I only hate two groups of people.

Those are intolerant of others cultures. The Dutch.

DeV.

swiss

Originally posted by DeVore:

Those are intolerant of others cultures.
The Dutch.

Someone's been watching Austin Powers then ;P

Er, anyway, there is a point in all of this. On one hand we all agree that homophobia is probably one of the greatest obstacles a gay/bisexual person seeking acceptance amongst peers can encounter.

On the other hand however, if people do have homophobia, they have a right to their opinions as well. If the gay community seek to have the right to express themselves and the freedom to live the life they wish to live, then we should allow others, even those who have views that we may not like, the same opportunity.

If those views are coloured by hatred (and in my experience, most are) then we can dismiss them as such. We can also try to educate and inform people. Perhaps displaying some patience will help some people to realise that homosexality is not a sexual aberration.

Victor

Originally posted by dendenz
Why Homophobes should be shot

Does this make you homophobephobic? Upset / betrayal (at not being told previously) aside, yes people can be stupid, however if we shot all the stupid people, we would all be dead.

Shinji

Speak for yourself, idiot!

Andor

Originally posted by Sangre
Everyone involved has to adjust themselves to this lifestyle change, but give him time.

There doesn't always have to be a lifestyle change, from my own experience.
Could be that the friend feels he's been betrayed since he "wasn't told sooner". I dont think i know anyone that'ld just ditch a good friend because he doesn't wanna have sex with girls.

Victor

Speak for yourself, idiot!

Originally posted by Andor
I dont think i know anyone that'ld just ditch a good friend because he doesn't wanna have sex with girls.

No, it doesn't work that way. The "friend" is afraid the person who has just come out will want to have (anal) sex with them, which (a) makes them feel threatened and (b) makes them insecure about their own sexuality.

Mercury_Tilt

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Sangre

Originally posted by Andor
There doesn't always have to be a lifestyle change, from my own experience.

But there could be the perception that there might be a change or the fear of it.

Mercury_Tilt

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Andor

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
...but some one just not liking someone is a personal decision that they make for a plethora of reasons.

Hmm, you do have a point...
Its one thing deriding, or beating the crap out of a guy because he has a big spiderweb tatoo on his head, but it is your choice not to mix with him, say if you dont like the cut of his jib, or his haircut.

xx

Originally posted by dendenz
I think that homophobes are certainly people in need of an attitude readjustment

Yanno what - was browsing through the forums here for something interesting, and came into this forum. Upon seeing the above quote from Dendenz, it really rattled my cage for some reason. A friend of mine came out recently and I had no problem with it. My justification - I'd known him 13 years and done everything with the guy, played soccer, hung out, went drinkin' etc. so the way I see it is that he's the same guy I've always know, just a little pinker around the gills now. But he does do things that pi$$ me off too, at the same time. He somehow now thinks that he has a license to act 'extremely' camp in public and constantly talk about having sex (a trait that 100% of gay men I've met also have!!!). So, in a way, it might not be Mr. So-called Homophobes fault that he's taking it badly, it might be down to the way his newly come-out friend is acting. When you've known someone a long time, and to see them acting like this is really a let-down. Its like when your parents say to you "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed". So spare a thought for mr. homophobe, it may not be entirely his fault that he's acting like this.

dendenz

The question is though where do we start to educate . The vatican and it's anti homosexual stance is a start, get people to give their opinions and then point out the faults in their opinions would be a start. Educating them in schools is another option. I hate the people who go to church week in week out and who learn "love one and other" and then go out on a verbal bashing of minorities or other communities they deem bad.

DeVore

I had a friend come out to me and it transpired he'd told a load of people before me and hadnt told me because he thought I'd react badly.
That really stung but the person in question just thought I'd steamroller over them or tell them to take some vitamin C or something. (I suggested that thats what he might have thought and he laughed saying it wasnt far off).
He was really shocked that I couldnt give a flying feck what he put his dick into so long as he did it privately.

Dont be surprised if some people react badly/well when you tell them, people will always surprise you.

DeV.

dendenz

Deep down though its very hard to gauge a persons reaction as from my mate coming out. It's a scary thing coming out I think, takes a lot of courage

Victor

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
You must know the guy very well then. :rolleyes:

Maybe I was close to that point. I was shocked when my long time ago (like 12 years) ex told me one of her friends, who I knew, was gay. I had never known any gay people and it was an attitude adjustment. But hey I rationalised it and grew up.

Sangre

But hadn't he seen your hair Dev?

HerrLipp

I don't really have a problem with most homophobic people. They just lack understanding. Some of my friends were homophobic before I told them I was gay, now they're perfectly okay with things. I think people get freaked out by overtly camp people or something. Of course the old saying goes, the worst homophobes are closeted gay people.

dendenz

I was reading an article in New Scientist that showed most homophobic people got turned on by gay porn than gay people themselve which I think Herrlip u hit the nail on the head

Mercury_Tilt

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Victor

Merc, take an Anadin

What I'm saying is my first emotion when my friend told her friend was gay was for me to be homophobic, however I have grown out of that.

dendenz

OK Maybe hate is a strong word, but everyone has an element of dislike for someone or something. The people who go to church every Sunday and then spout racist/homophobic/xenophobic remarks, they should be hated for being two faced? Dont get me wrong, but is'nt love thy neighbour and then bashing him completley contradictory?}

seamus

Originally posted by dendenz
I was reading an article in New Scientist that showed most homophobic people got turned on by gay porn than gay people themselve which I think Herrlip u hit the nail on the head

Although, people who are quite closed-minded, like homophobes, tend to be stimulated by taboo things in sex too, since sex is a taboo, and it feels good, then combining sex with another taboo will make it feel twice as good! People tend to get off on doing things that are 'banned', whether they're banned by society, their family or even by their own psyche, it's extra fun to combine sex with things you're not supposed to do.

That said, there's a certain amount of truth in saying that closet homosexuals are the worst homophobes. I'm not a homophobe, so I can't be homosexual \o/ (no offence to homosexuals)

Mercury_Tilt

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dendenz

Would it not be the fact that it causes major trouble in this world? If people were to like them then we'd all get on? Simple idea but true