Boycott Fees

Elmo

If they do return we should boycott them.

Have the USI (That great Union) thought of this.

Cyrus

how would u boycott them? if they introduce fees and u dont pay u wont get to goto uni simple as that.

personally i think if they will spend the money on updating facilities for students why not

Annasopra

I just couldn't help laughing when I read this

personally i think if they will spend the money on updating facilities for students why not

Because Charlie McCreevy has bankrupted the country, This Government is not even in Primary and Secondary level education

Elmo

If everyone boycotted the fees then no one would be in college and each of the college would be up **** creak.

Annasopra

Boycotting fees was briefly considered by USI this year but because of the way the system is structured where the registration fee is paid for those on grants this would be impossible!

Cyrus

Yeah Charlie McCreevy bankrupted the country, get real surely you understand the cycle of recessions and booms it all had to come to an end at some stage.

regarding my comments re updating student services, have u seen the new commerce block in ucd or the new student centres both are excellent facilities,

im in the smurfit school of business atm which is feee paying and a lovely place if i may say so, a nicer study enviroment than most 3rd level institutes because they have the money to make it so

leeroybrown

I won't be paying them if they come back but would have ended up paying if I were in college.

You'll also find that anyone from a Science/Medicine/Engineering/Technical discipline will not be able to boycott as they would be uninsured for labs, thus could not attend them, and thus would fail.

Basically, if fees come back (under whatever bástardised scheme is used) everyone will have to pay them or else. It's a case of avoiding their reintroduction rather than not paying them. Knowing the student reaction to the looming threat of fees that has been present for two years now, I can safely say that the majority of students' only response will be to complain if (or when) they come back.

And if they do come back (even in the guise of a loan system) they will be here to stay for a while (Do you see an even slihtly socialist government coming up?).

Elmo

And if they do come back (even in the guise of a loan system) they will be here to stay for a while (Do you see an even slihtly socialist government coming up?).

The Young PD's might get in.......

Elmo

im in the smurfit school of business atm which is feee paying and a lovely place if i may say so, a nicer study enviroment than most 3rd level institutes because they have the money to make it so

Isn't that just darling, you can afford to go to college, Mammy and Daddy must be so proud
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Sparks

Do you see an even slihtly socialist government coming up?

In the same sense that socialist meant in USSR? Yes actually...

Cyrus

actually im doing a masters in accounting and KPMG are picking up the actual course fees of e9000

of course i have to work for them for three years how and ever

and yes my parents are paying the rest, accomodation etc

why not they can afford it so why wouldnt they?? im hardly not going to let them just because other people cant now am i?

Repli

Elmo you missed his point..
He's under the illusion that bringing back 3rd level fees will greatly improve the college's student facilities..

Elmo

He's under the illusion that bringing back 3rd level fees will greatly improve the college's student facilities..

Sorry I was being sarcastic. And I did get the point he was making.

actually im doing a masters in accounting and KPMG are picking up the actual course fees of e9000

So you expect college fees to return when your not paying them for yourself?

Why don't we just ask all companies to do this for all their staff.

Congrads on doing so well and I appoligise for my sarcastic remarks.

Cyrus

im not trying to be smart or anyhting but i just think that if fees could help improve the facilities maybe they would not be such a bad thing??

however if they are reintroduced and do not then of course the only people benefitting are the govt

Why don't we just ask all companies to do this for all their staff.

first of all, the Macc is what i wanted to do, my parents would have paid had i not obtained sponsorship, however the way it works with acc cos is this, in ur final year they doa thing called a milkround, the big 4 cos hold there interviews, you go in, if they think you are up to it and your grades are good enough you can either join the co when finished your degree or go on and do a masters which they will sponsor. the benefit of doing the masters apart from more letters after ur name, is that all except the final accounting exams are passed therefore meaning when i start work i only have one set left.

for there sponsorship tho i am contracted to them for the next 3 yrs starting at e21500 which considering my time will be charged out at over e80 an hour isnt brilliant.

90% of my class are in the same boat so i spose its a bit different for us

Johnny_the_fox

... on the topic of fees...

<rant>
I paying 540 english pounds for this year... and im on my placement year...

i go to uni in the north...

feckin mental??
</rant>

down with that sort of thing....

sceptre

Originally posted by Cyrus
Yeah Charlie McCreevy bankrupted the country, get real surely you understand the cycle of recessions and booms it all had to come to an end at some stage.

Actually, yes I do understand the "cycle of recessions and booms". I understand what Friedman and Keynes had to say about them. And I understand the major differences between their two philosophies. And I understand, both on a historical and mathematical basis, why neither philosophy is a sufficient cure.

I also understand the concept of putting money away for a rainy day that will surely come, rather than spending any extra money on a new stereo if that's all the savings you have. And the dangers of putting all your savings (state pension fund anyone?) into the stock market, particularly at the beginning of a recession.

These are simple things that most people understand. Those that don't shouldn't become Minister for Finance. Or senior civil servants at the department of finance.

It's off-topic for this thread, but get real yourself. Read some economics, balance your home accounts and learn the difference between borrowing from the current account and the capital account. Check out the idea of paying off debt to provide more money in the current account when it's needed. Come back when you've finished whatever business course you're doing and we'll argue the toss then. In the meantime, you can find out how the new student centres around the country were paid for.

Cyrus

Come back when you've finished whatever business course you're doing

its a masters in accounting i doubt u'll find a better business course on these fine isles

and really all the nice economic spiel is lovely and very impressive i might add ive read all if that stuff too, but it was a few yrs back now

It's off-topic for this thread, but get real yourself. Read some economics, balance your home accounts and learn the difference between borrowing from the current account and the capital account. Check out the idea of paying off debt to provide more money in the current account when it's needed

okay but atm its just a student plus acc

and tell me then how were the student centres paid for?

oh and u reckon u could do a better job than charly? are u in govt urself? if u dont think he's doing a good job why dont u try do something about it. im not being smart but some people close to me are members of govt and it irritates me to see so many ff knockers who wouldnt get up and do something themselves

Elmo

Question brought up in the dail today. Bertie walked around the question and came back making no sence what so ever, as per usual.

However they are looking into making it easier for people who have small incomes (PC for the working class) to attent thrid level and seeing if the upper class (PC for people who make a whole load of money) could in some way help everyone get an education. (At least thats what i think he ment)

The question was could the teachoich (sp) tell us if third level fee will be returning for the next academic year?

Sparks

it irritates me to see so many ff knockers who wouldnt get up and do something themselves

And it irritates me to see so many people say "oh, if you have a complaint, why don't you do the job?", as if that was an actual possibility without giving up the majority of the life we've worked hard to achieve, without giving up most of our personal lives, without having to campaign and raise funds and risk everything. It especially irritates me when a far less painful solution is not only well-known but is in active use.

Cyrus

so u wont sacrifice to get the job but they should, u've made no sense there at all

Sparks

Cyrus,
I've actually made perfect sense. Re-read the last line in my post.

myhandle

Given the financial and geographic seperation of many students from their parents why haven't the merits of the current parent means test been dismantled in favour of a student means test?

Elmo

I think if you are living away from home then You should be means tested not your perants.

And if you live at home with your perants then your perants should be means tested.

If it is possible for you to live at home while your at college and you choose you move out your perants should still have to be means tested.

daveirl

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Giblet

Have any of you people heard of the move in England to abolish college fees over the coming years?
Amazing how one of the arguments for college fees in Ireland is that it works so well in England /

daveirl

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