BBC FTA Tests

watty

I doesn't matter (that 2D can be picked up all sorts of places). The BBC are *NOT* idiots. I'm sure they have a good idea where 2D can really be received. I'm sure the "off the record" chats with rights holders over last yrear have been like:

Yes the 2D is wider than published Astra, and of course people can get bigger dishes.
It *IS* picked up less places than 2A/2B and the howls from further East and South and Ads on Newsgroups and Internet prove that anyone *UP TILL NOW* who wanted BBC could get it, for not much more than cost of Digibox & dish.

The difference is that the closer people won't need to mess with brain damged "digiboxes" and overall *LESS* people can receive it.

Since a FTV card and Digibox is easy to get, the £85million was a waste of money. It wasn't / isn't protecting your "rights" encrypting and on 2A / 2B. It is only an illusion. In reality with "real" 2D footprint less people even with FTA will watch. Exception might be Netherlands and Ireland, but they all get BBC anyway by cable.
Show your senoir executives the "offical" 2D map, if they don't realise how many Digboxes with Cards are out in Cyprus, Greece, NorthAfrica, Malta Etc.

trekster

I cant tune in 10733H i had the channels on this transponder i my ohtre channels but they got wiped and now i cant put em back in there. Any help? 10803H and 10847V work fine but i still get to see this programme is not available whenever i check a channel exept BBC NI. Is this normal? The radio channels are working fine but no five file yet so they ust still be encrypting right?

watty

No change on Encryption till mid July..

Irulan

That frequency should be 10773 H.
Yes all of the BBC Tv channels that were encrypted before, are still
encrypted.

trekster

I thought as much will fix the frequency asap. I thought it was mid july but oly popping in and out of the forum and reading half the posts gave me the inpression it had come on early. oops. hurry up itc make a ruling in our favour

Charles Slane

With the BBC transmissions from Astra 2A now stopped, anyone with the BBC Radio stations stored in "Other Channels" will need to retune.

It might be an ideal time to remind readers and let newbies know how to tune in Other Channels.

To add the BBC radio stations to your "Other Channels" option, do the following.

With your digibox turned on, press the "Services" button (near the top of the remote).

Select number 4, and then 4 again ("Add Channels").

In the appropriate fields enter the following (you move through the fields using the up and down arrow keys).


In the Frequency field enter: 10.803,

The next three fields are toggle fields, i.e. using the left and right arrows will change the value.

Toggle Polarisation to : H
Toggle Symbol Rate to: 22000
Toggle FEC to : 5/6

Then select the last button "Find Channels".

After a few seconds the station names should appear. Use the Yellow button to place a tick beside each one and press "Select". These channels will now be stored.

You can view them by pressing the "Services" button, then 6 ("Other Channels"), use the arrow keys to move to the channel you want and press "Select".

It may also be worthwhile storing the BBC TV channels as well (although they are still encrypted at the moment, hopefully that will change in July). Some of these TV stations can be found on the 10.803 frequency, with more (BBC3, 4 etc) on 10.773H.

telecinesk

Just a note for those out here on the other side of europe. According to BBC Radio4 that avalanche of complaints for the 2D jump has meant in 3-4 weeks Radio4 and2 will be available on a paneurope satellite,my guess hotbird as it carries the oh so hacked bbc prime.. Good news for me, Radio4 is missed in this household..

Sin e an Fear

Good news for me, Radio4 is missed in this household..Just a note for those out here on the other side of europe. According to BBC Radio4 that avalanche of complaints for the 2D jump has meant in 3-4 weeks Radio4 and2 will be available on a paneurope satellite,my guess hotbird as it carries the oh so hacked bbc prime..

Which nobody watches because it's almost as bad as BBC America.

Telecinesk, I've seen your posts on www.astra2d.cjb.net

Somebody suggested pirated broadcasts over the Net- must be possible, but discretion would be the word. Maybe disguise the website as something else

watty

Originally posted by Sin e an Fear:
Somebody suggested pirated broadcasts over the Net- must be possible, but discretion would be the word. Maybe disguise the website as something else

*ANYONE* can listen to most BBC Radio anytime anywhere *FROM THE BBC WEB SITE*!!!

billy the squid

Which nobody watches because it's almost as bad as BBC America.

He did say BBC Radio 4

According to BBC Radio4 that avalanche of complaints for the 2D jump has meant in 3-4 weeks Radio4 and2 will be available on a paneurope satellite,my guess hotbird as it carries the oh so hacked bbc prime..

see

*ANYONE* can listen to most BBC Radio anytime anywhere *FROM THE BBC WEB SITE*!!!

A lot of BBC Five Lives material is not broadcast over the web live football etc

telecinesk

Yes, Radio4. 5live would be great and I do miss it but you cant win em all.. Unless some mate is going to hire a transponder on some obscure sat and uplink BBC1 for me... Nah, not really practical. Radio4 is plenty..

Sin e an Fear

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Which nobody watches because it's almost as bad as BBC America.

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He did say BBC Radio 4

No, he said BBC Prime which is a TV channel! see below


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According to BBC Radio4 that avalanche of complaints for the 2D jump has meant in 3-4 weeks Radio4 and2 will be available on a paneurope satellite,my guess hotbird as it carries the oh so hacked bbc prime..

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*ANYONE* can listen to most BBC Radio anytime anywhere *FROM THE BBC WEB SITE*!!!

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I was referring to TV! Not even BBC World is available as a live feed

byte

Originally posted by Sin e an Fear

I was referring to TV! Not even BBC World is available as a live feed

Are you sure? Although it's been a very long time since I used QuickTime, BBC World was indeed a QuickTime channel, broadcast 24/7. Maybe it's not there anymore

Sin e an Fear

Alas, BBC World was taken off Quicktime around late 2001- it went into meltdown after 9/11. They don't even have a World News bulletin on the BBC website

This is what I was talking about

http://www.malta.tv

You can watch Italian terrestrial channels (if you really want to!) via the website- if you click on the icons you'll be asked if you can watch these channels on your TV (in Malta you can because of overspill). I don't know how they stop unentitled viewers.

Another good site is http://www.jumptv.com

byte

Ah right. Thanks for the info, I hadn't realised World was removed from QuickTime.

DMC

I used to watch a BBC World feed on the web at 300kb/sec at work. I miss it now.

pbirney

Originally posted by DMC
I used to watch a BBC World feed on the web at 300kb/sec at work. I miss it now.

If you pay a visit to http://wwitv.com/portal.htm and select United Kingdom channels, you will see that there is a 300k live feed of BBC World TV! This is an excellent site of live TV feeds.

/Paul.

DMC

Thank you!

I used to get the feed that was linked from www.broadband-television.com

/me wubs pbirney

pbirney

You're very welcome! ... That's my good deed for the day!

watty

Though to my mind at anything other than postage stamp 33K using Internet for "broadcast" is an incredible waste of connectivity.

BBC World is FTA on 13E Analog and Digital.

I'm fitting a sat receiver at work to reduce bandwidth hogged by some folks who bassically want to listen to radio.

Sin e an Fear

I'm fitting a sat receiver at work to reduce bandwidth hogged by some folks who basically want to listen to radio.

Good for you- who's it with, by the way? Web Sat or Aramiska ?

In late 1999, this guy put 17 US and Canadian TV terrestrial channels on his site- iCraveTV.com needless to say he was threatened with legal action on both sides of the border and desisted.

Admittedly there wasn't much point in targeting the US and Canada with channels they can watch anyway, so it was a waste of connectivity. Similarly, even Astra 2D can be picked up in far flung places, plus time differences would make live feeds of UK terrestrial channels impractical unless there was time shifting....

Capt'n Midnight

re: fitting satellite at work

If they all listen to the same channel - you just take the audio in to a PC and stream it. - if only a few channels then of course you would need several receivers and a splitter - but still cheaper than a years subscription..

Don't forget at just 33Kb per second you hit 14.8 MB in an hour. In a month it's 10.7 GB if left on 24/7 (someone will...) - which is way over most cap's...

I really hate when it's cricket on BBC R4 LW and you can't get FM ...

DMC

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
I really hate when it's cricket on BBC R4 LW and you can't get FM ...

Ah, my dear old thing, Old Blowers and the Bearded Wonder is not your cup of tea.

Its possibly the only reason I listen to BBC Radio 4 LW... for that, the Midnight News and "Sailing By"........

Originally posted by DMC
Its possibly the only reason I listen to BBC Radio 4 LW... for that, the Midnight News and "Sailing By"........

Today in parliament... Order Order!
mm

Greenman

I like John Peel and The Archers

watty

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
re: fitting satellite at work
Don't forget at just 33Kb per second you hit 14.8 MB in an hour. In a month it's 10.7 GB if left on 24/7 (someone will...) - which is way over most cap's...

I really hate when it's cricket on BBC R4 LW and you can't get FM ...

Well we arn't capped yet, nor even charged (yet) for ADSL. I plan ahead..

I hate it when the Alarm clock wakes me with Cricket instead of Regular R4. I'm sure I could wire one of my sat receiver audio outs into its volume control and then it wouldn't!

Yes I should get them to buy a Quad LNB (or even two).
4 wires in 8 core cat 5 don't do anything = two channel audio twised pair to every out let free.. Apart from the unused Rj45 jacks.
Why have jerky audio over IP tying up a PC when you can run audio direct from the satellite receiver?

Sin e an Fear

Why have jerky audio over IP tying up a PC when you can run audio direct from the satellite receiver?

Agreed, but for those struggling to receive Astra 2D, sin sceal eile, nach ea?

Anyway, BBC FTA will be receivable, that's what matters most....

Aepos

Has anyone got hold of a reasonable FM Stereo Transmitter to re-broadcast (at low power) R4 from a sky box??? I've tried it with limited success a few milliwatts (the walls in my house are solid and the signal is attenuated to much).

The bloody cricket drives me nuts this time of year on LW.

Cheers

watty

They are illegal. (without a licence from Comreg).

Use a pre-licenced 2.4GHz video sender. It works without video and the stereo audio uses two separate channels giving higher quality than FM stereo mulitplex system. Most of the illegal FM radio senders are only mono anyhow.

Aepos

Hello Watty,

Ive tried a couple of those, no use the attenuation through the walls of the bungalow is to great. Its an old house built of the old type of solid concrete block about twice as dense as a modern block, and all the interior walls are built of the same material. sending to adjoining rooms is fine, but any further is no use...

TTFN

Charles Slane

Latest news from MediaBullet regarding frequencies-


"10/06/03 Frequencies for BBC One regional announced

The BBC's two new frequencies, to be used for the six regions of BBC One have now been added this afternoon to the Network Information Table. The new frequencies are: 10.788 V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6, 10.818V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6. No date is known for the start of actual test transmissions. There are now 62 frequencies in Sky's Network Information Table."

Watch the skies !!!!

SRB

MOD EDIT:

Hi SRB and Aepos,

As the link provided is for a site for equipment that is technically illegal if it is imported here, then I had to remove your post.

If you want the link, use PM to contact SRB.

Damo.

SRB

Apologies Damo, on the same note, strictly speaking licensed videosenders are only to be used to transmit video and audio and NOT audio only. Use for audio only is technically against the terms of the license.

watty

Originally posted by Aepos
Hello Watty,

Ive tried a couple of those, no use the attenuation through the walls of the bungalow is to great. Its an old house built of the old type of solid concrete block about twice as dense as a modern block, and all the interior walls are built of the same material. sending to adjoining rooms is fine, but any further is no use...

TTFN

Get some long 3 core Video/Audio phono cable and run it straight into attic.

Put the Video Sender TX on the peak of the attic roof.

You'll get signal in all the rooms. Hint.. your foot goes through a cieling easily so does RF

If you had a TX strong enough to go through all the wall you suggest, it would "illuminate" out the window of the room it's in for several miles

Charles Slane

Can anyone see anything on 10.788 V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6 or 10.818V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6 with an FTA box ?

there's no sign of anything on a digibox (but as we know, a digibox doesn't always show what's there).

Richard

Originally posted by SRB
Apologies Damo, on the same note, strictly speaking licensed videosenders are only to be used to transmit video and audio and NOT audio only. Use for audio only is technically against the terms of the license.

If you took it from a Sky box there would be video - the search/scan banner!

Tony

Originally posted by Charles Slane
Can anyone see anything on 10.788 V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6 or 10.818V, SR 22000 FEC 5/6 with an FTA box ?

there's no sign of anything on a digibox (but as we know, a digibox doesn't always show what's there).

Nothing on these at 13.00 toady Weds Charles

Tony

Ballydung

BBC1 Regions Testing now:
10817V 22000 5/6
BBC ONE BS
BBC ONE NT
BBC ONE OX
BBC ONE PY
BBC ONE SO
BBC ONE TW

10788V 22000 5/6
BBC ONE BM
BBC ONE HL
BBC ONE LS
BBC ONE MR
BBC ONE NC
BBC ONE NO

(borrowed the above from another thread, think its more appropriate here)



I can get all these on my english sub, they are all BBC 1 English regions i.e Birmingham, North west, Yorks ..etc ..but no BBC 1 NI, Wales or Scotland !!!

Charles Slane

Are they FTA ?

Mossy Monk

not FTA yet. not too long to go

darkmaster2

Originally posted by watty


You'll get signal in all the rooms. Hint.. your foot goes through a cieling easily so does RF

Not if the attic has that foil insulation on the plasterboard.. 2.4Ghz WONT get through that stuff..

watty

Possibly True. But if it an old place with thick walls and not modern if won't.


I checked by own attic (15 year old 2 story semi). Foil on plasterboard. Yet a WiFi 802.11 2.4Ghz adaptor sitting in attic works laptop perfectly on all ground floor rooms. Even 2 ft away from a 2.4GHz Video sender transmitter.

Perhaps the signal goes through roof tiles and in windows or they don't use good foil or I have no idea why it isn't blocked.

In the office though the WiFi won't go from server room (3ft old cottage walls). The airpoint had to be in landing on stairwells to work in the offices.

Mike 1972

Audio FM transmitters (50mW should cover your house without upsetting The Gestapo aka COMREG)

Mod edit: Missed this earlier.
All very well, but still illegal. Google is your friend.

watty

Those are all illegal and will cause interference to neighbours up to 1/2 mile away.

watty

BBC Radio is definately back now on the FTA EPG (repower with card upside down).
This looks good for possible FTA EPG with BBC TV without UK card.
Negative:
BBC Paraliament and S4c~digidol still missing though FTA.

darkmaster2

Just make sure if you do get one, that its set to a frequency well clear of any radio stations.

watty

Without expensive test gear how will he know?

The stability, spurious emmisions, harmonics and deviation are all unpredicatable with cheap gear and on even professional gear the signal levels etc need to be correct for operation.

Comreg are not "Gestapo" or very proactive.

A licenced 2.4GHz video sender is easlily and cheaply avaliable as are licenced wireless speakers and wireless headphones. All can be adapted to drive HiFi. The video senders give higher quality stereo than FM multiplex stereo radio as two separate FM carriers are used. Illegal FM modules or kits either are mono or poor quality multiplex stereo. The expensive ones for RSL use give adequate quality Stereo, but even FM Radio "offical" broadcast stereo is lower quality than the stereo on a Video Sender, SkyDigital audio out or Nicam TV stereo.

Use of unlicenced and often substandard FM Radio transmitters is not just illegal but irresponsible too. Especially without techical training and test gear. You won't find a professional communcations engineer using them. I wonder why?

Check out the Argos catalog for safe, responsible and legal solutions.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by watty
BBC Radio is definately back now on the FTA EPG

the two 5 lives are also there which wasn't the case before. they're still encrypted though

Greenman

Use a pre-licenced 2.4GHz video sender. It works without video and the stereo audio uses two separate channels giving higher quality than FM stereo mulitplex system.

The only problem is when a microwave oven in the neighbourhood is turned on you get a really dreadful clatter.
Maybe Watty you have a cure!!!! :cool:

watty

Report the offending Microwave.
The user will get cateracts.

A properly working SAFE microwave does not affect either Video snders or Wireless LAN.

I've tested extensively. One microwave that just "registered" on my signal sniffer didn't interfer either. It got replaced. The owner was nervous about a Microwave that had measurabel leakage.