Old style car registrations

carchaeologist

Some more from DoneDeal.ie!:)








Nice reg on this BMW 320 Convertible.


And another Fire truck,this time from Limerick








Toyota Crown Hearse

traleegirl101

My Dad used to have a navy blue Cortina with the registration 666 ZX :eek:

carchaeologist

traleegirl101 wrote: »

My Dad used to have a navy blue Cortina with the registration 666 ZX :eek:

Nice,it was a 1.6L going by the records. Any pics,thats one id love to see! How long ago since he had it?

Blue850

Grand old reg on a grand old lady:)

Blue850

bob50

Hi there The Fiat 500 looks great i remember having one when i was 17 what a great car it still looks better than the new fiat 500

Thanks bob

Bearhunter

traleegirl101 wrote: »

My Dad used to have a navy blue Cortina with the registration 666 ZX :eek:

There used to be a car in Wexford when I was growing up in the late 70s/early 80s with the rego YMI 666, which I always read as "why am I 666?"
It was a yellow Renault from memory.

carchaeologist

This is one of Blue850s pics from recently,cool reg eh!

carchaeologist

Time to resurect this thread!

Blue850

Blue850

Great Galway reg for a Dino 246

Go Harvey Go

carchaeologist wrote: »

IIP*** was issued in 1963,but was overlooked in the 80s in the reversal of that series for some reason.

Reverse IIP actually was issued, around mid-1981.

Did you mean RIP?

Go Harvey Go

The last Roscommon registration before the change was 292 BDI - but I've discovered that no Cartell records exist as regards 1-99 ADI and 1-99 BDI.

Given that reverse ADI commenced in February 1986, is it possible that, with the change looming, Roscommon County Council decided to play around a bit and hold back the numbers 1-99?

On the other hand, Sligo reached reverse AEI in April 1986 and started it from 1, as did Waterford with reverse AKI two months later.

carchaeologist

Couple more here for ye..



Great reg on this Wolseley.

nightster1

Passed this fine machine in traffic today, anyone know what it is?

is this an Irish reg?

carchaeologist

nightster1 wrote: »

Passed this fine machine in traffic today, anyone know what it is?

is this an Irish reg?

No,that looks like a Guildford/Surrey registration from December 1959.

carchaeologist

Scrapyard/old irish reg porn..:D
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scrawb/sets/72157624866278872/

Go Harvey Go

carchaeologist wrote: »

Scrapyard/old irish reg porn..:D
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scrawb/sets/72157624866278872/

Excellent find Carky! :)

I particularly like the photos of the VW Derby registered 262 FZF, and the Subaru Leone registered 9791 AI.

These registrations would have been among the last in Cork and Meath respectively before the change - Cork finishing at 542 FZF, and Meath reaching 9999 AI in December 1986, before issuing 1-88 ZN. (Wonder if any of those 88 vehicles are still going round?!)

Silvera

My thread is going strong!

Old Irish Trade Plate...

Red Alert

277 OZU was the bus that brought me home from school most days.

Red Alert

Red Alert wrote: »

277 OZU was the bus that brought me home from school most days.

Tried to Google this and there's some photos of this bus (KD277) on fotopic.net sites, but they're all down right now for some reason.

EDIT: It's back up now, here's three:

http://freddeanjnr.fotopic.net/p55813989.html
http://freddeanjnr.fotopic.net/p66195577.html
http://freddeanjnr.fotopic.net/p66195596.html

greendragon3

what a brilliant thread , i love old irish regs , cant stand the new style or "ZV" style plates on old cars , bring back the old irish reg i say !!! anyway here are a few of mine .

carchaeologist

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

before issuing 1-88 ZN. (Wonder if any of those 88 vehicles are still going round?!)

1ZN-10ZN were not issued for some reason also,so that just leaves 78 of them...

Go Harvey Go

carchaeologist wrote: »

1ZN-10ZN were not issued for some reason also,so that just leaves 78 of them...

10 ZN actually was issued - according to Cartell and also MotorCheck, it was/is a Toyota Corolla.

Looks like you're right about 1-9 ZN, though - I gather that with the change being just days away, Meath County Council decided to play around a bit.

On a similar note, it appears that Louth went straight to 101 ZY onwards after issuing YZY 999 in September 1985 - skipping reverse IY and 1-100 ZY. Wonder if even then, some 16 months before the change, there were some serious considerations about a new registration system?

carchaeologist

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

10 ZN actually was issued - according to Cartell and also MotorCheck, it was/is a Toyota Corolla.

They just didnt issue the single numbers so,interesting.

On a similar note, it appears that Louth went straight to 101 ZY onwards after issuing YZY 999 in September 1985 - skipping reverse IY and 1-100 ZY. Wonder if even then, some 16 months before the change, there were some serious considerations about a new registration system?

I guess the new system was being considered since the early 80s because it was S.I 231 26/6/81 that authorised ASI-YSI(Less QSI) AZG-YZG(Less QZG) AZS-YZS(Less QZS )and AZV-YZV(Less QZV). SI,ZG,ZS and ZV were never issued in the original allocations. So it was obvious from at least then,but surely from years before that there was going to be a serious shortage of marks in the 80s.

S.I no6 9/1/86 authourised SI,ZG,ZS and ZV(which was never issued in the original pre '87 series). Strange that these were issued after the three letters/digits formats were, as it was always the opposite since the registration system began.

audi4444

luv the old reg that new type has cost us a fortune fine cars worth nothing just because of a plate:mad:

Go Harvey Go

One thing I wonder is how much the decision to specifically start the current system in 1987 was influenced by the situation in Clare, which finished at 107 XIE.

Had the old system lasted one more year, it would have been touch and go as to whether or not the Banner County would have reached 999 ZIE, and thus exhausted all IE combinations, before the beginning of 1988 - given that they would have moved on to reverse YIE sometime in the spring of '87, and reverse ZIE by the autumn.

If they had, then I wonder how the last few days of the year would have been negotiated. The best thing to do would probably have been to transfer a few IE**** registrations from the early years of the system - since issuing an S.I. prescribing new marks would have been rather farcical, as would taking registrations from neighbouring counties like Limerick or Galway.

carchaeologist

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

One thing I wonder is how much the decision to specifically start the current system in 1987 was influenced by the situation in Clare, which finished at 107 XIE.

107XIE is/was a Red Austin Metro City. Wonder is it still out there?
Heres one from very near the end, an imported Elan.


Im not sure if it was Clare that was the problem, Dublin was pretty much near the end even by the start of 1986,short of issuing SI, ZG and ZS in reverse, and ZV both ways also,there wasnt very far to go. The game was up as they say!

Go Harvey Go

Believe it or not, Dublin would have actually been alright for at least another two years.

After ZS 8710-9999 and ZV 1-9999, they had the reverses of ASI-ZSI, AZG-YZG, AZS-YZS and AZV-YZV (excluding the Qs, of course), as well as those of SI, ZG, ZS and ZV - a grand total of over 148,000 registrations.

This is mainly why I was thinking more of the situation in Clare.

Kilkenny and Wicklow were also running dry at the end of 1986, their respective last issues being 235 UIP and 426 TNI - and as regards replacement codes, IG (now used by Fermanagh) and VI were the only ones still available.

carchaeologist

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

Believe it or not, Dublin would have actually been alright for at least another two years.

After ZS 8710-9999 and ZV 1-9999, they had the reverses of ASI-ZSI, AZG-YZG, AZS-YZS and AZV-YZV (excluding the Qs, of course), as well as those of SI, ZG, ZS and ZV - a grand total of over 148,000 registrations.

I guess so,looking at it like that!

Dub Ste

Blue850 wrote: »

I absolutely love this car,if I ever have any spare cash...........yeah right!!,this would be the kind of car I'd love to own

kevdeblue

DIE 123 CLARE MK2 ESCORT
222 DZM GALWAY 86 MITS LANCER
666 SZB XR3i
eni 704 old carina
my first MZF 787 hillman avenger


oh where are they now

nightster1

kevdeblue wrote: »

DIE 123 CLARE MK2 ESCORT
222 DZM GALWAY 86 MITS LANCER
666 SZB XR3i
eni 704 old carina
my first MZF 787 hillman avenger


oh where are they now

Hopefully not all scrapped. I recently saw my old car 355 LZB!:)

carchaeologist

nightster1 wrote: »

I recently saw my old car 355 LZB!:)

What was it,it doesnt show on the records? Has it been off the road for years?

nightster1

She's a red september 1981 Alfa Sud Sprint Veloce! She's off the road for a good few years now but not scrapped. Severe tin worm of course, on all alfa's alas

patrickbrk4

carchaeologist wrote: »

DIE666 and 666DIE were co clare issues, cant find any info on DIE666, but 666DIE is/was a ford escort.
DIE1 to DIE999 was issued from 5/62 to 4/63 and the reverse 1DIE to 999DIE from 6/79 to 10/79
Kind of a mad registration number isnt it!!!:D Cant find anything on 1DIE or 2DIE, but 3DIE is/was an Alfa Romeo GTV. I reckon 1DIE and 2DIE were not issued for obvious reasons!!

I remember driving through Ennis over 20 years ago and saw an Ambulance with the Reg Number 800 DIE high up on the vehicle over the doors,not the most encouraging sign to see if you were looking up from a stretcher!

nightster1

patrickbrk4 wrote: »

I remember driving through Ennis over 20 years ago and saw an Ambulance with the Reg Number 800 DIE high up on the vehicle over the doors,not the most encouraging sign to see if you were looking up from a stretcher!

I've seen a fee RIP reg's over the years. I remember overtaking a car years ago with RIP 234, and thought I was doomed!

darkdubh

Remember as well the number plates from different countries were different too.The most common and distinctive one ,after the UK yellow plates were the German ones,i think they had two little circles on the plate.I remember the excitement when as kids we used to spot a car from somewhere unusual,i remembe once seeing a car from Hungary and it was like seeing a ufo.

Go Harvey Go

In post #178 I talked about what would, and might, have happened in Clare had the old system lasted one more year.

So what would have happened in other counties had the system continued throughout 1987?

Here are some of my reckonings, going by proceedings during 1986 and, in some cases, several years beforehand as well:


Carlow (last issue YIC 994) obviously would have started ZIC on 1 or 2 January - and would have certainly got most of the way through it by year's end, if not completed it and thus made a start on reverse IC.

Cavan (906 IID) would have reached reverse KID sometime in the autumn.

Kerry (375 CIN) would have been up to reverse EIN by the autumn.

Kildare (9343 ZW) would have reached 9999 ZW by the spring, and would have then probably moved on to 1 AIO etc - seeing as they skipped reverse IO in May 1983, probably due to the mark's likeness to the number 10.

Leitrim (KIT 780) would have advanced to LIT by the summer.

Limerick (OIV 520) might have made a start on SIV before year's end.

Longford (PIX 710) would have started RIX by the summer.

Mayo (HIS 990) would have advanced to JIS on 1 or 2 January (since IIS was not allocated), and to KIS by the summer. That could well have been a very popular mark...

Roscommon (292 BDI) would have advanced to reverse CDI during the summer - and would have probably held back the first 99 numbers, just as they held back 1-99 ADI and 1-99 BDI.

Sligo (835 AEI) would have probably reached reverse CEI sometime in the autumn.

Tipperary North (418 JFI) would have certainly got much of the way through reverse KFI by year's end.

Tipperary South (CGI 871) would have been up to EGI by the autumn.

Waterford (586 AKI) would have at least got a good bit of the way through reverse BKI by year's end.

Westmeath (869 GLI) would have reached reverse ILI by the autumn.

Wexford (8071 ZR) would have moved on to 1 AMI etc by the autumn.

Limerick City (929 FTI) might have made a start on reverse HTI before year's end.

Waterford City (WWI 80) would have probably started XWI during the autumn.


Feel free to agree or disagree with me...

carchaeologist

Excellent stuff there GHG. Looking a that, instead of issuing a ZV plate system, many counties could have gone on issuing unused marks for their pre '87 imported cars, if people wished to use them. This may have worked out a bit better, because as it is at the moment theres 4 digit ZV plates, 5 Digit ZV plates, Year/county plates, Taxbook ringers from the original issues, and genuine original issues from pre 1987. Lot of diffrent numbers there.

patrickbrk4

I think RIP 13 we originally issued around 1969 in Kilkenny and the doomed vehicle was a Ford Cortina Mk 2.

Go Harvey Go

nightster1 wrote: »

I've seen a fee RIP reg's over the years. I remember overtaking a car years ago with RIP 234, and thought I was doomed!

patrickbrk4 wrote: »

I think RIP 13 we originally issued around 1969 in Kilkenny and the doomed vehicle was a Ford Cortina Mk 2.

RIP 1-999 were issued between October 1968 and June 1969.

Interestingly, though, reverse RIP was skipped in 1985. Perhaps the Kilkenny county councillors didn't want to get any more motorists thinking they were doomed?

patrickbrk4

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

RIP 1-999 were issued between October 1968 and June 1969.

Interestingly, though, reverse RIP was skipped in 1985. Perhaps the Kilkenny county councillors didn't want to get any more motorists thinking they were doomed?

Around the same time Kerry issued MIN1 the said vehicle being a Ford Escort Mark 1 it was issued to either the County Manager or the Council Chairman at the time.

carchaeologist

patrickbrk4 wrote: »

Around the same time Kerry issued MIN1 the said vehicle being a Ford Escort Mark 1 it was issued to either the County Manager or the Council Chairman at the time.

Indeed you are right, that number ended up as a legal transfer on a grey Nissan Micra K10 in the '80s, i wonder is it still about in a shed somewhere, its a pretty distinctive registration.

carchaeologist

Heres the pic, thanks to Blue850 for scanning it in. Seemingly the Micra was in the Dingle area in the '80s.

carchaeologist

While on the sublect of legal registration transfers, heres a good one for ye..

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Originally issued in March 1927 in Dublin to a Renault apparently.

1Z is on a green Alfa Romeo GTV, also in existance and featured in Irish Vintage Scene.

Blue850

I doubt its genuine but I saw the reg DIE 666 on a Ford Granada Hearse! in a photo in a back issue of Irish Vintage Scene

patrickbrk4

I hope any of the prospective costumers aren't superstitious!

L1011

I've met the owner of Z1 (his wife was a customer of mine once) and he told me how/when he got the plate, but I've managed to forget the story now...

carchaeologist

MYOB wrote: »

I've met the owner of Z1 (his wife was a customer of mine once) and he told me how/when he got the plate, but I've managed to forget the story now...

According to Kevin Herron of the Classic cars parish...

It was bought by the current owner with a U.K reg in '74.
He thought it was a case of driving it down to the customs and registering it.
But at the time there was a law that stopped people importing cars unless they were motor traders.
The car was confiscated by the customs and impounded in the north of Ireland.
So he had to strip the car completley in a lock up in the six counties and import 'used car parts' bit by bit, nut and bolt, cut the chassis in two etc. and put it all back together when all the bits were here!!!