IQ & Intelligence

GuanYin

Originally posted by strawberry
Interestingly enough, the better a golfer you are, the less brain activity is registered when you hit the ball. The trick is apparently to think about nothing.

Intelligence will always be viewed subjectively and measured objectively. This whole conversation seems like a game in which everyone tries to use as many big words as possible to define an indefineable concept. And then we point out people's typos and call them idiots-the murkier side of ctyi's 'multi-faceted' intelligence.

Mneh I personally hated CTYI, and I played both sides of the fence, for that reason!

Intelligence is also a product of environment in much the same way as personality is a product of genetics and environment (except probably with a different bias to each).

It most likely explains why so many big shot academics (and young brainiacs) are socially inept.....

nosmo

Originally posted by sykeirl
It most likely explains why so many big shot academics (and young brainiacs) are socially inept.....

But at CTYI, about 90% of the people there I would consider the exact opposite of inept. CTYI for some is as much about socialising amidst people like them in some ways as much as learning

GuanYin

Originally posted by nosmo
But at CTYI, about 90% of the people there I would consider the exact opposite of inept. CTYI for some is as much about socialising amidst people like them in some ways as much as learning

Well my first statement was a personal one and the rest of my post was more in-line with the thread.

However, I'd say your 90% is depending on the year. As a postgrad I encountered a few "choice" individuals enrolled in CTYI. When I was there myself, I mostly have fond memories of the activities but there were some awfully pompous kids there. If you ever get on an 11 or 19A from DCU some of the conversations upstairs are priceless!!

You're right, in general, my gripes are about the minority and most there are bang on. I didn't particularly choose to be there either time coz its not really my scene!

p.pete

Excuse my ignorance - but what is CTYI exactly. We were a little deprived growing up in Sligo:mad:

nosmo

SOME explanation.. : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40760

GuanYin

Originally posted by p.pete
Excuse my ignorance - but what is CTYI exactly. We were a little deprived growing up in Sligo:mad:

Centre for Talented Youth in Ireland, or The Irish Centre for Talented Youth as it seems to be known now.

Its a DCU thang, and you a graduate, fancy not knowing that!

http://www.dcu.ie/ctyi/sitemap.htm

Oh and if you looked in the listing of the forum you'd see it explained in another thread.

p.pete

Originally posted by sykeirl
Centre for Talented Youth in Ireland, or The Irish Centre for Talented Youth as it seems to be known now.

Its a DCU thang, and you a graduate, fancy not knowing that!

http://www.dcu.ie/ctyi/sitemap.htm

Oh and if you looked in the listing of the forum you'd see it explained in another thread.

I went through DCU ignoring everything - like most engineers. The workings of the rest of the college never seemed all that important.

SOL

Maybe the reason you think that intellegent people are socially inept is cause the only people you think are intellegent are the sociall inept ones and you haven't noticed the rest of 'em

D-Generate

I had never heard of this CTYI thing until they got a forum on boards and I don't know anyone who has ever attended it but I am interested as to what type of people do attend it. I am in the top classes for all my subjects, except Irish(stupid language) and I notice that around 40-70% have superiority complexes, "I am smarter than thou" types. Considering CTYI is for the people in the top classes is there a high proportion of those type of people?

lordsippa

I'd answer but it's beneath me.

GuanYin

Originally posted by SOL
Maybe the reason you think that intellegent people are socially inept is cause the only people you think are intellegent are the sociall inept ones and you haven't noticed the rest of 'em

If you actually read my post properly, you would notice that I didn't say anywhere that intelligent people are socially inept. I correlated the balance between personality and intellectual development and suggested that people who excel in one sometimes don't do as well in the other.

At no point did generalise about ever intelligent person.
Read it again slowly and see if you can get it this time.

I know plenty of intelligent people who are dead on.

GuanYin

Originally posted by D-Generate
I had never heard of this CTYI thing until they got a forum on boards and I don't know anyone who has ever attended it but I am interested as to what type of people do attend it. I am in the top classes for all my subjects, except Irish(stupid language) and I notice that around 40-70% have superiority complexes, "I am smarter than thou" types. Considering CTYI is for the people in the top classes is there a high proportion of those type of people?

No.

Generally the problem some children have when they fall into this catagory, is that they don't have the same interests as their peers. They are curious about science and technology or art and literature when most of their contemporaries are just collecting pokemon.

What CTYI does, is give them a chance to have both people with the same interests and the chance to have craic. Personally I found that there were some kids who just have to compete and show off, and that environment just doesn't do it for me.

Ironically I now often willingly go to science conferences in my field which is basically full of the same type of people.....just bigger!

p.pete

Originally posted by sykeirl
If you actually read my post properly, you would notice that I didn't say anywhere that intelligent people are socially inept. I correlated the balance between personality and intellectual development and suggested that people who excel in one are, often don't do as well in the other.

LOL, so you are not saying intelligent = socially inept, more like high inteligence ~ poor personality???

GuanYin

Originally posted by p.pete
LOL, so you are not saying intelligent = socially inept, more like high inteligence ~ poor personality???

the key word is "often"

although I really mean sometimes, I was just irritated when I was typing and made a mistake.

p.pete

Originally posted by sykeirl
the key word is "often"

although I really mean sometimes, I was just irritated when I was typing and made a mistake.

That happens to me all the time (more often when drinking though), I say something to someone without really thinking about what I'm saying - quite often it leads to great offence.:D

GuanYin

Originally posted by p.pete
That happens to me all the time (more often when drinking though), I say something to someone without really thinking about what I'm saying - quite often it leads to great offence.:D

I've seen this happen. I figured you could relate!

p.pete

What was this thread about again? oh yeah:
IQ tests - waste of time.
CTYI - no bearing on how good a citizen you are.
Multiple Inteligences - I'm a believer, many aren't (someone should start a poll, I'm too darn lazy at the moment).

D-Generate

Well, if they were really intelligent they would understand that they would need to change their personallity inorder to fit in and be socially accepted and to get ahead in life. I remember reading an article before on some of the really high scorers on the Mensa tests and a lot of them had unskilled jobs, i.e shop clerks. I put this down to them not knowing how to get ahead and play the politics game, your opinions?

lordsippa

hmm... ok... firstly I'm not gonna claim some super intelligence cause I passed a shiny big test of multiple choice...

BUT... I don't wanna go to college and I just wanna get an apartment and a crappy job and live a life. I don't care about a career or a big fancy house or a car or a weeks paid vacation in the sun. What I want is freedom to do what I want, even if it means that going abroad for a week is a huge event in my life. I don't mind. All I want is basic freedoms and no big hassle (like what comes with a big job).

My 2c anyway...

p.pete

Originally posted by D-Generate
Well, if they were really intelligent they would understand that they would need to change their personallity inorder to fit in and be socially accepted and to get ahead in life. I remember reading an article before on some of the really high scorers on the Mensa tests and a lot of them had unskilled jobs, i.e shop clerks. I put this down to them not knowing how to get ahead and play the politics game, your opinions?

Maybe they are really intelligent in some ways - but their emotional/inter-person/social (not sure which tag to put on it without it being shot down, take your pick:cool: ) inteligence may not be that high =>don't know to change personality in order to fit in. Of course as long as they are happy they are probably better off just being themselves anyway, why change who you are just because it's not what the Beckhams are doing?

Unskilled job => lots of time to spend thinking about the puzzles at the back of hello (or whatever) magazine => well practised at answering IQ/Mensa type questions.

Thats my "2c" (not worth what it used to be, damn inflation).

purplepolkadot

type of people who attend ctyi-
now i mean no offence to anyone whatsoever.

my friend mark was having similar queries along the lines of 'so are they all nerdy at this nerd camp?' (he's lovely really, I promise)
so i told him to look at eoin campbell the RA's photos' on redbrick of session one last year, and he looked etc. and he said
"i haven't seen so many 'alternative dressers' since that time we were looking for fade street and ended up outside the big bank" {that being the central bank, on a saturday afternoon}
and i had to agree with him. all the people who did sport wore their o'neills etc. and then everyone else seemed to be 'different'. 'kay i can't explain because i'm tired and haven't got the words.
does anyone see where i'm coming from??

btw, where in the name of turnips is fade street? we musta looked for it for about three-quarters of an hour. and i've done this twice, and asked big truckloads of people, or just asked people where road records was (apparently it's on this fade street) and well, dubliners SUCK at giving directions or don't know where places are and just fob people off. i asked a garda like, dumb cow.


and dude from sligo: you're selected to take the SAT's (american leaving cert kinda) because you've done really well either in a standardized test or just school in general, and if you do good enough in them, you go to DCU for three weeks in the summer and take one of round thirty courses. It’s fun. There seemed to be few people from north of athlone at it last year, which I found unusual.

lordsippa

Road Records is near Grafton Street... just wander off to the left handside <heading towards trinity from the green> and somewhere down those side streets it's there...

Y'see Dublin is based on Zen. You don't ask directions, just wander in whatever direction seems right. Might not find where you're looking for, but you usually end up better off anyway.

Cait

so it stopped being about intelligence...and started being about whether ctyi people all have superiority complexes, or are socially inept...hmm

lordsippa

Actually that's how it started...

p.pete

Originally posted by lordsippa
Actually that's how it started...

Thats part of how it started, in fairness though the thread is called IQ & Intelligence. Surely there can be a CTYI forum without actually needing to make it obvious on every thread.

lordsippa

Oh god yeah. I mean the film thread etc...

But this one was originally about superiority complexes... It just kinda evolved. as all good threads do.

p.pete

Originally posted by lordsippa


But this one was originally about superiority complexes... It just kinda evolved. as all good threads do.

Once again I'm gonna have to disagree with you:)
I though it started with how we view inteligence and the importance that we put on different measures of inteligence. Some of us (not looking at anyone in particular:D ) do quite clearly have superiority complexes though, which I guess need a little bit of an airing every now and again.

Has been interesting seeing it "evolve" though.

GuanYin

Originally posted by p.pete
Once again I'm gonna have to disagree with you:)
I though it started with how we view inteligence and the importance that we put on different measures of inteligence. Some of us (not looking at anyone in particular:D ) do quite clearly have superiority complexes though, which I guess need a little bit of an airing every now and again.

Has been interesting seeing it "evolve" though.

I don't know what your talking about, I'm far too superior to have a complex about anything....

p.pete

Originally posted by sykeirl
I don't know what your talking about, I'm far too superior to have a complex about anything....

Ooops, I overlooked you when thinking about people with superiority complexes - hope your ego survives. Just to let you know, if I had thought about it for longer, you would have made the list. No hard feeling eh?

lordsippa

Originally posted by smiles
I've known several people at CTYI (and outside it) who wander through life with a superiority complexy because of their supposed level of intelligence (or high IQ)...

Does anyone here have any opinions on this...

Does having a higher IQ make you a better person?
Does going to CTYI make you a more worth citizen?

Do you believe in the multiple types of intelligence?

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