Enterprise,s D death

bizmark

anyone think the E-D should have been given a better send off than being beating by a 20 year old bird of prey ?????

i know they had no sheilds but the E-D should of been able to beat the Bop with only limited damage i few good phazer or torps shoots and bye bye Bop

even though the SOV class is far better and stronger i still think to destroy the E-D they should of attacked her with a vorcha (klingon battleship) or romulan Warbird not a ****ty old bird of prey

what do you lot think ?

Xithus

I damn near cried when I left that film ! back when I was in first year.. little die hard I was back then.

Mind you eyes watered in nemesis aswell

DAAATAAAA ! NoooooOOo !

bizmark

i feel your pain

Woden

i suppose it was a bird of a harsh dead to go down to a bird of prey, not sure if this is correct but weren't the duras sister's dishonoured? and perhaps as a result don't have the influence to obtain a vorcha class battleship also a ship with its shields down is and open target to any well placed shot to the warp core or whatever.

also did anyone notice that the scene where the bop blew up is the same one used from star trek 6 (IIRC correctly just from a different distance from the ship) the scabby bastards.

bizmark

ya lol

well never the less the enterprise should of died to a far more powerful ship

Woden

like the negh'var in the way of the warrior, now theres a klingon ship

bizmark

ahhhhhh the klingon flagship what a beast lol

pitty the klingons dont have the ablity to build more that a handful of them

truely one of the best looking st ships (sov would kick its ass though)

Woden

proper order, would be an interesting battle though and i don't think victory could be guaranteed. do you recall that jem hadar supership from the episode the valiant? now that was a ship

bizmark

ya the scaled up battleship 5 times the size of a galaxy class and 3 times as powerful :eek: you can see 5+ of those around cardy prime when the fed/klingon/romulan fleet attacked that wouldnt of been a nice place to be for the allie,s if the cardys didnt turn on the founder,s...

the sov wouldnt win easy but seeming the negh,var was built as a base/planet attacker she just wouldnt have the speed to beat the sov as long as the sov kept behind above or below the negh,var victory is yours

kamobe

Mind you eyes watered in nemesis aswell

DAAATAAAA ! NoooooOOo !

You just ruined that movie for me man

bizmark

na he didnt its a great movie thats only one small part of a much larger better story

Xithus

Oops
Id edit it but your quote says it all really. Sorry bout that.

Woden

Originally posted by kamobe
You just ruined that movie for me man

and you should have got to see it in the cinema shame on you

bizmark

must buy it when it comes out here on vid

if only to see the 0 degree phazer firer again

Woden

I think i will make the transition to DVD for this one, though all the rest of my stuff is on VHS, the extras will probably be good and anyone know if there will be a special edition with extra footage? (a la LOTR) and do you know the release date?

oh and whats the 0 degree phaser firer?

bizmark

yep their will be much extra footage .....such as picard captians chair with a seat belt etc.
no i dont have a clue when it will be out here .

And the 0 degree fire is when the enterprise fire,s all it,s phazer.s in order to hit the cloaked scimitar (remmeber the enterprise,s first shoot of the battle?).

bucks73

Its available here on August 11th.

http://www.playserver2.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=117118

Woden

thanks for the info bucks and bizmark, i vaguely recall that bizmark, where does the phrase 0 degree come from? yeah i remember hearing about the seat belts and how they would in the film, i presume there weren't in the final release then? i forgot about them, in insurrection they get a joystick, in nemesis its seatbelts

bizmark

the really fuge up the end of the film to be honest .... i read the script and the ending where the ship is being rebuilt they cut around 15 mins from it pitty really would have been good to see the fight between worf and the new first officer (not fist fighting).

Its basicly called 0 dergee fire cause all the E-E phazers fired stright out from their strip,s IE the top strip fires Stright out ..............Side top strip fires stright out ...... Bottom forword strip fires stright out ............blablabalba no "attack pattern alpha" crap just fire all 12 type xii collimated phazer arrays in they direction they are ment to

do you follow me dataisgod? i know that might seem a tiny bit confuseing

Its mighty impressive cant wait to see the E-E take the beating she did again and keep fighting

Woden

i think i'm with you, but just if all fired out in the direction they where meant to i.e. perpendicular to the strip itself is that what you mean? then all couldn't hit the scimitar, i'll have to see it again to get your gist, oh and who's the new first officer?

bizmark

yep thats the basic idea dataisgod

and i dont know the new first officers name (as they cut it from the film in the cinima) dont even know if he has one to be honest!

bizmark

a few seconds after fireing "the zero degree" attack

Xithus

shame the rommie warbird didnt make it into the film.. like that ship

NeoSlicerZ

Hmm , i always felt the E should have been a multi vector assault ship , or a defiant class one... . The Monitor from the novel 'The Return' would have beaten the crap out off 5 Sovs.. to be quite honest.


One thing , the Defiant equals the Sov class in fire power, correct? and is has better maneuverablity .

Tazzle

Enterprise has always been a vessel of exploration, making it a defiant or prometheus type vessel would be a joke. It's function is not for battle. The defiant an prometheus class ships are the exception last resort ships.

bizmark

the Defint wouldnt beat a sov class one vr,s one....... the Defint is a powerful little ship BUT her weapion,s arent as powerful as a sov.The defint has over 10 torp tubes less than a sov class only 4 pulse phazer,s and 1 phazer array the sov class refited has 16 type 12 phazer array,s and is able to take an ungodly beating because of it,s regenertive sheilding + hull armour.

BUT that,s not the point .........The sov class is a warship/explorer designed for long term exploreing/warring mission,s.The difent is only a escort design for short term mission,s (1 year at VERY most) .A pure warship Enterprise wouldnt be in keeping with the history of the name and well wouldnt be accteped by die hard fan,s like myself etc

Woden

ah bizmark i see where your getting with the phaser fire now, the enterprise didn't know where the ship was so fired out in all directions hoping to score a hit?

bizmark

YEP thats the idea

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by kamobe
You just ruined that movie for me man

I wouldn't worry about it, Data's death in the film carrys about the same emotional weight as seeing a fly drown in your beer.

// EDIT - actually, comparing Nemesis to beer is unfair. Seeing a fly drown in a bucket filled with rotting sheep intestines would be a better analogy.

bizmark

i sence someone didnt like that movie:D

Woden

well it carried more emotional weight for me then that (sniffles back a tear)