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Salvaging relationship with my parents

  • 21-09-2016 02:04PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭


    Hello, I’d appreciate some feedback here please. I’ve always had a difficult relationship with my parents, and now that I’m an adult and looking back on things, I believe that my parents failed me. To be honest, I have a lot of anger towards them and even though I’m trying to put this aside, I find it hard to have a positive relationship with them nowadays.

    My wife and I are now talking about trying for a baby, and it’s entering into this parental state of mind that has brought back all these feelings and memories with my parents. I want to get along with them while they’re still around rather than having regrets when they’re gone. But I find it hard to put aside all the bad things that have happened. Importantly, they are also repeating a lot of these bad mistakes with my younger brother so it’s not a case of everything being in the past, the way they look after my little brother now echoes the problems I had when I was younger.

    In order to help myself see things more clearly, I made a few points of the good and bad things my parents have done for me over the years.

    Bad points:
    - Firstly, they beat me physically when I was child. My mother would hit me with a hurley, pretty much at full force. My father would whip me with his leather belt. In fairness, they never aimed for the head, usually it was the legs and body.

    - They fed me a terrible diet when I was younger. I ate chips and take-aways very regularly. I also gorged on sweets, chocolates and crisps with their permission. I ended up obesely overweight going into my teens. I was bullied because of this of course. I then developed diabetes which I believe was a direct result of my bad diet. I still suffer from this today and will have it for the rest of my life.

    - The house was often very tense. There was lots of shouting and screaming over very small things. They would completely lose their temper and shout at me. One time my mother spat on me on purpose because she was angry at me. My father told me on at least two occasions that I was a mistake and he regretting having me.

    - As part of this arguing, my parents sometimes fought over money. I recall an instance when my father decided to change jobs to a less stressful but lower-paid job. My mother had a meltdown when he told her, and she screamed the house down until late at night that we were now penniless and we would soon lose our home. As a child, I was terrified at hearing this. Around this period, whenever my mother bought me anything like new shoes for example, I would show them proudly to my father and the first thing he would do is turn to my mother and ask how much they cost, then rebuke her for spending money we didn’t have. This made me feel immensely guilty and I continued to feel that way anytime I got new clothes/presents.

    - When I was a lad, my father promised several times to take me to several sporting events, like all-Ireland hurling finals and Ireland rugby games but never did. There was never a crushing moment when I was told I wasn’t going, just a gradual realization that as time went on it was unlikely to happen.

    - When I was older, they wouldn’t give me any money for college. They said I had to learn to stand on my own two feet. They did used to give me the money for the bus fare every week however so I could come back at the weekend for my part-time job. I had to incur large amounts of debt to finance my studies. I managed to scrape through college financially and when finished I moved home with no money. I managed to get a part-time job that didn’t pay much. I told my parents I was going to try and save up money so I could move to Dublin, London or Canada and asked if I could live rent-free in the house so I could save up. They told me no way and if I didn’t pay rent they wouldn’t hesitate to throw me out on the street. When I did manage to get a job in London, they gave me €100 to help me make the new start. They also gave me €100 as a wedding gift years later. They didn’t offer to give me anything towards a deposit on a house, or money towards furniture when we bought our place. They weren’t on the breadline either, they were comfortable financially at various points, at other points not so comfortable but certainly never broke. In fairness, they did help me out financially twice which I mention below.

    - Also on the topic of money, my mother asked me if I would get a loan out for her just to cover a short period of expenditure due to something unexpected. I said fine and didn’t ask questions. So I got the loan in the Credit union and handed the money over to her. She then took my credit union book and promised to pay back the money each week. Turned out she decided to just stop paying the money back after a short while and lied to me about this, telling me the loan was paid off. I only realized after the Credit Union called me on the phone and threatened to take me to court.

    - I’ve had some difficult times and when my mother asked me why I was behaving erratically, I told her I was feeling suicidal. She then told me to go and hang myself or shut up about it.

    - Even though I really wanted to learn but couldn’t afford lessons, they wouldn’t show me how to drive, they said they were too busy.

    As I said, I still see them doing a bad job with my younger brother too. He’s 13 years old and is very overweight. He also seems neglected, he can’t tie his shoelaces, can’t use a knife and fork properly, can’t cycle a bike, he just eats junk and watches telly all the time. He doesn’t have a learning disability or anything. He sweats heavily and goes beetroot red if he has to walk for 20 minutes. My parents find this funny when they see his face red.

    Of course I can’t focus exclusively on the bad points. There were plenty of good points that I have to acknowledge:
    - Both parents helped me with homework when I was younger,
    - My father turned up for all my hurling matches to cheer on me and the team.
    - When I first moved to London I went with very little money. I underestimated how expensive things would be there and even though I lived very frugally, there were a couple of times when I got stuck and had to ask my parents for help. They sent me money for my rent straight away when I asked.
    - One summer I had a job in the neighboring town and they used to give me a lifts to the job every day (a good 30 mins each way).
    - My father got me a job on a building site one summer as his old school friend was a foreman there.
    - I always used to get good birthday and xmas presents.
    - I was taken lots of places as a child such as the seaside, etc

    I’ve raised a lot of these issues with them in the past. They reject that they did anything wrong and tell me that I was uncontrollable as a child, and I should be grateful for everything they’ve done for me. I have to admit that I probably wasn’t the easiest of children. They believe that our family was pretty much a normal, regular one. They genuinely feel that they have done a good job as parents and made a lot of sacrifices for their children.

    As I say, I’m not looking for sympathy or anything by posting this. What I want is to be able to move on and have a somewhat healthy relationship with them. When I’m back home however and I see how they neglect my brother all these negative feelings come flooding back. I told them politely that they need to help my brother more and they said they are making sure he eats healthier but in reality they don’t make much of an effort. They also place the blame on him for not being active calling him lazy. It seems like they will never change their ways to be honest.

    So if anyone has been in a similar situation, I’d appreciate your advice.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    To put it bluntly, the only person that is stopping you from moving on is yourself. Our parents have a huge impact on us as kids, when we don't have much choice, but as adults we choose how we behave.

    I don't have direct experience like yours. My parents had their flaws (like all humans) but they were good parents. However, there are still bits of their behaviour that I could let bother me, but I don't.

    Perhaps talking to a counsellor might be beneficial? But please, don't keep looking towards the past. You are planning to be a parent, and you should be thinking about being the best parent that you can be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭wehuntmonsters


    I was brought up in a simular household, although my parents weren't in anyway nice. Regardless of that, I found that sometimes with toxic people, including parents, the best thing that can be done is to cut all ties. You need to discover a life away from them. It wasn't until I cut all ties that I realised how negative or regressive my ways were. More time should be spent bettering yourself. Thats not to say you're not a good person at all.

    The only thing about your post that I didn't like or agree with you on is the college part. I never had anyone to help me through college and I certainly never would have demanded nor expected anyone to pay for something I chose to do. You CHOSE to go to college so therefore you should fund it. You didn't have to go, you could have taken up an apprenticeship or a job in an area you liked. However, with that being said I applaud you for finishing. Not everyone is in a position to become a third level student and these days college costs are higher than ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    I think you have had a deey abusuve and scarring relationship with your parents. I think you need to protect yourself and seek professional help in the form of counselling.
    You are self aware articulate and caring and I think you will make a great parent.

    One thing I should point out is that your brother is still in an an abusive relationship and as he is a minor you have a duty to protect him. You should report your parents to tusla. I believe that this is the law, if you know that a child is being abused you must act.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I don't see any good coming of getting these people back in your life. Get counseling, sounds like you need it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,656 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    History doesn't repeat itself, people do.
    And it's obvious that your brother is being subjected to a similar lifestyle to what you had growing up.

    You do not have to have a relationship with them just because they're your parents or because you're planning your own family.
    I agree re: counselling, it might help you realise that what happened was wrong. And might help you decide on where to go from here.
    I would seriously worry about your brother though - he's vulnerable and no child should experience this.

    Best of luck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    You've got a lot going on there. I think you would benefit from talking it through with a mental health professional. If anything, you won't have a lot of time to do so after the baby arrives.

    Do they hit your brother?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,698 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    <SNIP - No need to quote OP in entirety>

    Your parents sound awful and have failed you in almost every way.

    Few things...

    Forget them and try to move on.. I would definitely seek the help of a professional

    Why are you letting this play out again with your younger brother? Can you take him under your care?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,698 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I was brought up in a simular household, although my parents weren't in anyway nice. Regardless of that, I found that sometimes with toxic people, including parents, the best thing that can be done is to cut all ties. You need to discover a life away from them. It wasn't until I cut all ties that I realised how negative or regressive my ways were. More time should be spent bettering yourself. Thats not to say you're not a good person at all.

    The only thing about your post that I didn't like or agree with you on is the college part. I never had anyone to help me through college and I certainly never would have demanded nor expected anyone to pay for something I chose to do. You CHOSE to go to college so therefore you should fund it. You didn't have to go, you could have taken up an apprenticeship or a job in an area you liked. However, with that being said I applaud you for finishing. Not everyone is in a position to become a third level student and these days college costs are higher than ever.

    Many parents help their children with college costs. It's not unusual.

    Did your parents not help you with anything whatsoever? Registration fees, Books, travel, clothes, rent? You got no assistance whatsoever? Did you get assistance from the state?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    They sound like people you should at best keep minimum contact with. Even bad people have their good points. I definitely think counselling should be your first step. And also, I believe something needs to be done about your younger brother as soon as possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I grew up in a home where my father was an alcoholic and my mother was co-dependent on him.

    I relate to many of the points you make. Very tense household, lots of shouting, promises broken, constant feelings of worry and guilt etc...

    I could go on all day really about the effects that these things have on children but the point is this - you have been damaged by your relationship with your parents. Sure - there were good things too - all relationships are complex.

    In order to help yourself and move on from this, you need to address your issues that have arisen from this. I definitely recommend therapy, counselling, perhaps as a first stop speak to your GP.

    We learn behaviours from our parents. Because you grew up in a dysfunctional household you will have learned dysfunctional behaviours. You might not even be aware of them, but they are there. Its really important for yourself and your own peace of mind that you learn how to address this in yourself.

    I dont think you need to worry about redefining the relationship with your parents for the sake of not having regrets. I think when you deal with your issues you will move past having regrets anyway. You think about it now because you have not yet dealt with those issues.

    It is important for you to resolve your issues before you become a parent yourself. You dont want to make the same mistakes your parents did - or go too far in the other direction trying to compensate against making those mistakes.

    Best of luck - I did a lot of specific group therapy and my past no longer haunts me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Hi op
    I too think you'd benefit from a few weeks of counselling. 6 weeks, Eur300 would be money well spent.

    To me, it sounds like your parents were terrible with money and let their squabbling affect your happiness. At some stage you became aware enough to resent their shortcomings, and rather than hear you out they resented your resentment.

    What strikes me is (nutrition aside) they were pretty good to you when you were younger in terms of doing homework with you, giving you lifts, supporting you financially at times. Your parents' relationship appears rocky and strained by money, and to me it sounds like they dragged you into this squabbling at a time in your life when you thought your parents couldn't do anything wrong, and you feel let down by them because of it.

    So the issues. #1 is you turned out pretty good, partly thanks to your parents and partly in spite of them.
    #2 they did their best, in spite of their own shortcomings.
    #3 they probably don't have the maturity to admit their shortcomings, and they never will. Whether they do or not should be completely irrelevant to your own happiness
    #4 you're probably not mature enough to let them off the hook for their many shortcomings. But in order to move on, you have to. Call it unconditional love, or call it forgiveness, or just getting wise in your old age... you need to make the decision that you do not need an apology, an admission, or anything else from your parents. But you also need to appreciate and recognise the good things they did for you
    #5 you probably were a bit of a handful as a child, or teenager, or young adult. Partly genetics, partly a bad upbringing (a feedback loop), and the other part (also out of your control) is part of being human. Admit that, and try to think of a few examples where your behaviour made things worse. If you see yourself as whiter than white, well at worst you'll turn into your parents who probably have the same idea of themselves.
    #6 define (in your head) your ideal relationship with your parents, as it could exist now. Is it a sunday dinner with them and their grandkids? Is it taking the grandkids out to the parents for them to be doted on and spoiled? If so, congratulations.. because that sounds like a healthy, balanced, adult relationship.
    Is it spending excess time with your parents, trying to convince them to admit their shortcomings, and being jealous of how well they treat their grandkids but you know what they're really like? If so, sorry, but that's a continuation of the dynamic that deteriorated during your teens and into early adulthood.

    Hope those points are helpful.

    One thought I'll leave you with.
    Remember when your dad said he'd take you to the final.. next year... and it never happened. He probably thought he had all the time in the world, and he let it slip by. He probably has the money now but missed the opportunity.
    Imagine if you decided to forgive your parents and enjoy something of a healthy relationship... how many years have you been putting that off, but missing the opportunity because you haven't taken time to tackle your own issues?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 NelRom


    Sometimes people suggest a 'burn letter'. A letter to the person detailing everything you went through at their hands, everything they did wrong. Keep it, reread it, add to it. Then when you are ready, burn it. Ideally, this should be done while taking space from the person.

    This should allow you to go through some of the anger, grief and upset and hopefully eventually come to a positive place in yourself. Don't force yourself to forgive, forget or anything else, just go through. An excellent book is 'The body keeps the score'. Be kind and low stress to yourself in this period.

    Only then can you decide what you want/need from those relationships going forward, be that nothing, some relationship or an attempt to be close. If you do attempt to have a close relationship just be watchful when your own children are involved.

    I totally agree with the poster who advised doing this now, as when you have kids things will come through you didn't even know existed in you. Much better to be balanced when the strains of parenting are involved.

    And good luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    Hi Op

    no parents are perfect. Plenty of your friends growing up might have looked like they had great childhoods, but almost everyone has issues, some more serious than others. I say this not to minimize your pain, but for context. the only person suffering today (from your childhood) is you. and you do have control over that. You can learn to let it go.

    some specifics

    1st point was corporal punishment. To put it in context, years ago, corporal punishment was legal, it was culturally acceptable, it was only banned in 2015 in ireland.

    your father beating you with a belt, seems, well normal.
    your mother hitting you with a hurley full force seems excessive, and likely to cause injury. the fact you dont mention any injuries is curious because i cannot see an adult hitting a child full force with a hurley many time and not sending them to the emergency room. did she ever hospitalise you, or leave you in a state you couldn't go to school etc? If not, then i think full force may mean something a little different to you. EG Hard. not full force. and that is different because she probably wasn't breaking any laws or norms, and MAy have been acting in what she thought was your best interest!! Still seems excessive on her part.

    id like to add i believe beating you child is wrong. I was not given the same level of corporal punishment as you were, growing up.
    To me hating your parents because they beat you in a society where it was allowed (and even encouraged in certain circles
    spare the rod and spoil the child
    seems counter productive. In todays society it does seem savage, but back then it would not have been. hence i can see why the dont acknowledge a big failing here. and also understand why you might not agree with them.

    Bad diet. Again its cultural and to do with education and socio economic status. I ate ****e as a kid, so did all my peers. chips 5 times a week, yes please. however we were more active too, than todays kids, so that balanced it a bit i think. Are you parents to blame here?

    i would suggest somewhat. only in the above context. Peple did not understand nutrition then. having enough to eat was the aim, and if you didnt go hungry you were considered 'all right'.

    The house being tense and the parents issues weighing on you. no question they should have done better here. But at the same time money issues are money issues, and not something they planned for. you didnt starve or go without clothing or books for school etc? then they met their basic requirements as parents. not getting tickets to the all ireland - i can understand your disappointment, but really if its a choice between essentials or luxuries, here they did the right thing.

    Money for college. - . im on your parents side. College is not a basic right they have to provide for you. you could have got a job and handed up money to the household, and the fact you didn't meant there was less money in the household. and thats before they had to help you out. If they had the money and withheld it - that might be harsh, but i would guess that they dont have large savings, they could dip into? Nah, you own your own life and career.

    finally your mother and the credit union? she was 100% wrong all the way, but you already know that. she let you down there, and i assume she has made that one good? major trust break there. I hope she has tried to make amends.

    what ive tried to do here is let you see it from their perspective - if possible. i dont think you do that and hence do not understand them as well as you might.

    OP what part of the above so you want an apology for? how will it help? do you accept that you will make mistakes bringing up your own child? Ifd a parent does their best, and has good intentions - is that good enough?

    X


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I would agree with one of the post here that minimum contact with your parents at this stage would be a good idea. I would also go to counselling as this will help you move on with your own life.

    I could understand when times were tight money wise your parents were not in a position to give you some extra help. The truth is as you got older they could have helped you with college and when you were buying a home. You can see they are doing the same with your 13 year old brother so I would get tulsa involved with him.

    I have 2 friends who's parents were less then good when they were children. They both talk to them but long term they are making plans so they won't be around to mind the parents in their old age.

    Being honest you sound like a decent, kind person despite the bad start you had with them as parents. Work on this and have some counselling so you can move on and make the best of your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Go to a counsellor for a couple of months and get everything off your chest. Trust me it really works.
    I had experiences very similar to yours and I used to feel allot of resentment but getting everything off my chest in a private and safe environment really helped.
    When my grandad died I got to see all of my mams side of the family together and how they function around each other, I saw how they treated my mam, similar to how she treated us, I saw how my granny had favorites and least favourite children and I saw how her brothers and sisters would leave her out and treat her badly, each of them at one time or another would bring up abuse they suffered as children at the hands of my grandparents, they were questioning the abuse and talking about how bad it was, I noticed the things they were saying were the same as the stuff my mam did to us growing up...I realised that my parents were probably dealing with their own abusive pasts, insecurities and childhood problems that they never worked through, your parents are probably the same, they might have had abusive childhoods too and just didnt know how to be parents. Its not really anybody's fault, its just a cycle of abuse that continues until somebody breaks that cycle, also mental health and abuse wasnt even talked about 15/20 years ago, let alone something youd seek help for so for them trying to work through problems wasnt even an option really, people just had to get on with it. my brother is very messed up, he has a personality disorder and will never be healthy minded, I have my own problems but im determined to work through them so I can be a better and happier person. Since sorting through problems and releasing resentment I have a much healthier relationship with both parents, its the best its ever been and im so much healthier because of it, its actually quite healing. They still might do or say things that arent very positive or supportive but I handle it differently than I used to.
    You cant allow yourself to over think because your thoughts will fester and you'll begin to spiral, youre only hurting yourself in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    hi op,
    it is hard to put aside bad memories, and i agree, talking about having a kid or having one does make some people question their childhood and their parents actions.
    i wouldn't have too many bad memories, while my dad was strict enough, he was never brutal or cruel, and they both did their very best in providing for us. but, one thing i never heard was whether i was loved or not, and with my own kids i vowed to let them always know. and we did and still do.

    i'm sorry that some of your memories of your childhood are painful, but only you can decide if you're strong enough to leave them behind and forge a new future with your family.

    i wouldn't cut your parents out of your life. maybe there were reasons they behaved like they did at times. i realise some will say that's no excuse, but we are all products of our upbringing unless we choose to change ourselves. i don't know if you know what type of relationships they had with their parents.
    my advice is to concentrate on the future, you and your partner's future and do the best you can.
    good luck


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I haven't read all the replies, so I apologise if I am repeating advice already given.

    OP, first of all, you have my sympathy and validation. You have had an abusive and/or neglected childhood. This does not mean your parents are monsters and clearly they have good in them and love you. But they did fail you. And it is okay to acknowledge that. The question is how to get over it.

    For me, I needed to forgive them. My parents do not have the emotional capacity for a positive relationship with their children. The biggest thing first of all was accepting that I have the parents I have, not the parents I want. This is huge and very hard to do. When you have a weak relationship with your parents, the longing for a good one is huge. So accepting this meant I had to grieve what I have never had and will never have. Then I had to forgive. And then I had to move forward on my own terms. That means I accept no abuse at all from them now - my boundaries are firm. One parent has accepted this and the other has cut me off. It is their choice to do so.

    This didn't happen on its own. I went to an excellent therapist with whom I set goals. The therapist helped me to name the problems and let them go. It sounds easy written down but it wasn't. Reliving some of my childhood memories was excruciating, as I am sure some of yours are too. But it was cathartic.

    A very, very important factor is also learning how to focus on what you have rather than what you don't have. This is difficult but huge. A lot of people would give their right arm to be in a relationship with kids on the way. You have a big gift there, and I am sure there are also other things to be grateful for. Focus on these. What you focus on magnifies.

    I wish you all the very best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,698 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I haven't read all the replies, so I apologise if I am repeating advice already given.

    OP, first of all, you have my sympathy and validation. You have had an abusive and/or neglected childhood. This does not mean your parents are monsters and clearly they have good in them and love you. But they did fail you. And it is okay to acknowledge that. The question is how to get over it.

    clearly?

    It's possible sure but clearly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Cork2015!


    My advice would be to just accept everything and move on, we cant change anything that has already happened but the main thing you need to take from your parents is the knowledge of how to NOT treat a child..... that in itself will make you a good parent


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I haven't read all the replies, so I apologise if I am repeating advice already given.

    OP, first of all, you have my sympathy and validation. You have had an abusive and/or neglected childhood. This does not mean your parents are monsters and clearly they have good in them and love you. But they did fail you. And it is okay to acknowledge that. The question is how to get over it.

    clearly?

    It's possible sure but clearly?

    If you have a problem with my post report it.

    The OP listed ways that his parents have been supportive.


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