UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

AnGaelach wrote: »

VinLieger wrote:

The list does nothing to impact immigration, again it is just for optics sake for those ignorant enough to think immigration is the source of their woes.

No, but the list is direct result of the feelings people like you ignored and derided for years. You've nobody to blame for this but yourself.

Ah feelings...

Feelings are always used as an excuse when those pesky facts get in the way. In the US right now, Donald Trump and his ilk are perpetuating the lie that crime is rampant, murder is on the increase, non-nationals are the ones committing all the crimes, you will be killed by a terrorist...and so on and so on.

Then somebody deconstructs the lies, presents the facts and the only argument back? Thats not how people feel, so therefore every lie I tell is now magically true.

The feelings you are so interested in giving voice to in this argument are nothing more than the feelings of the uneducated, the unloved and the uncaring.

[font=Times New Roman","serif]And when I hear the word fascist, I actually think Italy in the 30's first, never the Nazis (I know you did not ask me, but I just felt like sharing)[/font]

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

A couple of points. First, the unemployment rate in the UK is very low, something like 5%. It is generally accepted that "full" employment is 2 to 3%, so the UK is pretty close to full employment and has hundreds of thousands of vacant jobs.

The other thing to realise is a lot of English people don't seem to be willing to move or travel for work*. If an employer has a position and simply can't get a british worker, because either there aren't any with the necessary skills, or the inclination or the will to travel, why shouldn't he hire someone from the EU?

I remember a conversation I had with the landlord of my local in Dublin some years ago. I was curious as to why all his floor staff were Polish girls (I wasn't complaining). His response was that he could only hire people that applied for the jobs.

If you have a country with effectively full employment, unemployed people not willing (or indeed able) to move to where the jobs are, what are employers supposed to do?

MrP



* I met a guy at a BBQ during the summer. He spent the whole time complaining about not having a job and how hard it was to find a decent one. The company I work for would have need for people with his skills, so I offered to hand in his CV to the HR department. He turned his nose up because the office is a 43 mile commute. Meh.

The whole thing makes no sense to me. They want to punish companies that hire people who want to work?

If the companies are taking advantage of workers or are breaking labour laws then tackle the companies.

Surely this will mean more people requiring support from the government?

AnGaelach wrote: »

Trump can be classed as a neo-con, are you going to say he's in favour of globalism?

If he is anti-globalization, then he isn't really a neo-con. What Trump is a nutter, he doesn't really fit into any pre-existing political ideology. He shares more in common with a dictator, then any politician.

AnGaelach wrote: »

And I never claimed there was no migration - Hungary was founded by a migrant tribe who decided they liked Hungary. You trying to justify migration nowadays as being okay since it happened in the past (and brought with it huge societal conflict in practically every instance) is ridiculous.

I am not justifying anything. Migration is a reality. It has always happened, and always will. Engaging in quasi-fascist nonsense will not change that. The policy being proposed are bloody pointless, and achieve nothing but pissing people off for no good reason.

AnGaelach wrote: »

People also made untold riches from exploiting immigrants a couple centuries ago (the Captains of Industry in the US were heavily exploitative), should we not be allowed to restrict corporate powers on the markets?

How exactly does shaming anyone achieve this? Sorry, it a small petty and pathetic policy that deserves the ridicule it is getting. Its bloody stupid and achieves nothing.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Your appeal is history is fallacious at best.

I fail to see the falacy. The version of history the various far right nuts want to return to, never existed.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Did I say I support the measure? No. I'm explaining to you why people support it. If you're going to keep call me a fascist and xenophobe I might just have to go out with that little black book you think I have and lynch some Asians. Smdh.

If you support such a policy, then calling people who supporting fascists and Xenophobes is accruate.

A Little Pony wrote: »

That is what fascism is. A totalitarian mentality with a disdain for democracy. If if was up to them they would ignore the will of the people.

Democracy isn't a case of you win once, you win forever. That is what fascists believe.

wes wrote:

I think the people who want and are proposing it are to blame. People are responsible for there own actions.

Yes, and it was the actions of the Left that brought about the rise of the Right.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Yes, and it was the actions of the Left that brought about the rise of the Right.

Ahh it's always someone else's fault.

"they made us do it"

VinLieger wrote: »

Ahh it's always someone else's fault.

"they made us do it"

Saying that doesn't get rid of facts though. Germany is a good example, still scarred by war guilt the far right never got traction, the left ignored people's concerns over mass migration(for many reasons such as housing, security, costs, schools etc... not just we don't like them) low and behold the normal everyday people have giving the right inroads into their parliamentary state system because they are not listened to be the left who preach to them and are turning to those that will.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Why are you trying to befuddle the matter? The gripe is about the scale of immigration. I surely hope you don't think a country is powerless to determine the scale of migration.

Of course they manage the scale to a degree, but scape goating immigrants for all there problems is bloody stupid.

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This sums up the liberal mindset when it comes to dealing with people who disagree with them. Where's the tolerance you people champion? Keep it up though, because it's only pushing people to the right.

But its true, people in the US supporting trump say they don't feel safe due to crime being everywhere. Yet when confronted with the facts that crime is down they retort "well its doesnt feel that way".

Same in Britain, the EU was blamed for immigration when the majority of immigrants each year come from outside the EU. The immigrants are then blamed for sponging and not working and yet more britons are on the dole as a percentage versus the percentage of immigrants on the dole. Yet when confronted with these facts all people can retort with is "well it doesnt feel that way so it cant be true"

As stated earlier the unemployment rate in Britain is around 5%..... thats incredible when you take into account that zero unemployment is considered to be between 2-3%.

With an unemployment rate like that seriously whats the point of this draconian fascist crap other than pandering to the uneducated who put how the feel in front of very real facts about whats actually happening in their country?

Its possibly due to the medias never ending fascination with doom and gloom and sensationalist headlines but that doesnt excuse pure blind racism like this

Some level of hysteria in this thread.
Love the way the same people who are criticising this name and shame policy towards companies are suspiciously quite on this name and shame proposal.

VinLieger wrote: »

No your a fascist when you start looking to make a list of people who have entered a country legally and are working legally so you can then point to and blame them for everything wrong with your country

Nobody is doing that.

VinLieger wrote: »

But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

It's about shaming the companies not the people.
I don't usually support naming and shaming initiatives, but the likes of Musgraves who were by the looks of it just looking for Polish staff recently need to be called out.

Water John wrote: »

Doubt if the Tories are putting forward this policy to improve the working conditions, and minimum wages for the english workers against the interests of the large companies that are its real base.

So ask, why are they doing this?

To impress the people who voted for brexit, they need to keep the blame for all their problems focused externally to distract the voters that their economy is about to come down around their ears