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anyone else fed up hearing about abortion already

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  • #392
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Yor against late term brain surgery? Let them die? I hope you don't use the "we need abortion because women are dying" mantra. It would be a bit hypocritical of a position to hold.


    Anyway, I take it you are anti late term abortions (but maybe you're pro but don't feel comfortable declaring your support for them). What would you consider to be late term? When does a womans body and choice stop being her body and choice in your opinion?

    The earlier any medical procedure can be undertaken the better James , simple really .

    I don't know and have never met anyone that is pro abortion .

    When does her body her choice start in your opinion ?


  • #393
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    If it's certain death both are facing,...........................

    This is what happens :

    both die :


    However, terminating her pregnancy was not a practical proposition for the doctors treating her at this time because of the legal situation in Ireland, [Dr Peter Boylan said]



    http://bit.ly/2jBn8mw


    Dr Peter Boylan said that if Ms Halappanavar had been given a termination on the Monday or Tuesday, one or two days after she was admitted last October 21st, she would “on the balance of probabilities”, still be alive.

    "It is highly likely she would not have died" if she had been given a termination earlier, he added.

    However, terminating her pregnancy was not a practical proposition for the doctors treating her at this time because of the legal situation in Ireland, he said.


  • #394
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    marienbad wrote: »
    The earlier any medical procedure can be undertaken the better James , simple really .

    I don't know and have never met anyone that is pro abortion .

    When does her body her choice start in your opinion ?

    There's loads of pro abortionists. There's a whole campaign. Even on this thread there's load chomping at the bit to get the abortion industry going here.


    Here body, her choice is afford to each individual. If you want to kill babies, you need to get the babies consent. A woman choosing to kill a baby in the womb is making a decision which effects not only herself, but an individual with different DNA.


    Now you turn to answer


  • #395
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    If it's certain death both are facing, why do we need to kill them?

    How about you?
    If both are facing certain death without an abortion, obviously it makes sense to allow the abortion - in that scenario, yes, even late stage abortions.

    But you seem more than happy to watch the mother die when she doesn't have to for no good reason. Unless you do support an abortion in that scenario?


  • #396
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    There's loads of pro abortionists. There's a whole campaign. Even on this thread there's load chomping at the bit to get the abortion industry going here.


    Here body, her choice is afford to each individual. If you want to kill babies, you need to get the babies consent. A woman choosing to kill a baby in the womb is making a decision which effects not only herself, but an individual with different DNA.


    Now you turn to answer

    That is just you calling people names james - doesn't make it so , as I said I have never met a pro abortionist or a pro heart surgeryist or a pro mastectomyist .

    Can you explain again when you think her body her choice starts , I can't makes sense of your previous answer .


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  • #397
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    gctest50 wrote: »
    This is what happens :

    both die :

    That's what happens when the doctor can't be bothered reacting to abornormal vital signs (pulse etc) and can't be bother to carry out an examination. Maybe if he did he would have made the decision to terminate under the current leglislation.


  • #398
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    That's what happens when the doctor can't be bothered reacting to abornormal vital signs (pulse etc) and can't be bother to carry out an examination. Maybe if he did he would have made the decision to terminate under the current leglislation.


    Were you against the current legislation james ? I bet you were - come on now be honest ?


  • #399
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    That's what happens when the doctor can't be bothered reacting to abornormal vital signs (pulse etc) and can't be bother to carry out an examination. Maybe if he did he would have made the decision to terminate under the current leglislation.


    Please provide sources / proof if you think you know better than Doctor Boylan here :


    http://bit.ly/2jBn8mw

    Dr Peter Boylan said that if Ms Halappanavar had been given a termination on the Monday or Tuesday, one or two days after she was admitted last October 21st, she would “on the balance of probabilities”, still be alive.

    "It is highly likely she would not have died" if she had been given a termination earlier, he added.

    However, terminating her pregnancy was not a practical proposition for the doctors treating her at this time because of the legal situation in Ireland, he said.


  • #400
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Billy86 wrote: »
    If both are facing certain death without an abortion, obviously it makes sense to allow the abortion - in that scenario, yes, even late stage abortions.

    But you seem more than happy to watch the mother die when she doesn't have to for no good reason. Unless you do support an abortion in that scenario?

    I'm not happy to watch anyone die.


    Are you happy this woman died for no good reason?

    Aisha Chithira, from Ireland, who was 22 weeks pregnant, who died after she came to a Marie Stopes clinic in Ealing, west London, in January 2012.


    1 all on the death rate :rolleyes:


  • #401
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Please provide sources / proof if you think you know better than Doctor Boylan here :

    Right, so you didn't read to the bottom of the article then


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  • #402
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,882 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    I'm not happy to watch anyone die.


    Are you happy this woman died for no good reason?

    Aisha Chithira, from , who was 22 weeks pregnant, who died after she came to a Marie Stopes clinic in Ealing, west London, in January 2012.


    1 all on the death rate :rolleyes:

    what is your point? the doctors involved ****ed up and were charged with manslaughter.


  • #403
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Right, so you didn't read to the bottom of the article then

    Miss the middle of it while you were cherry picking ?
    "Had intervention occurred on 22nd or 23rd , Savita would be with us?," asked Mr Gleeson. "Yes," said Dr Boylan


  • #404
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Good point - wonder does he know of them ?
    I guess not.


  • #405
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    thee glitz wrote: »
    I guess not.

    Just out of curiosity what is the meaning of the George Soros reference ?


  • #406
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,882 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    marienbad wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity what is the meaning of the George Soros reference ?

    apparently he made his billions from providing abortions. Or so somebody tried to claim earlier in the thread.


  • #407
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    apparently he made his billions from providing abortions. Or so somebody tried to claim earlier in the thread.


    this post :



    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102221845&postcount=244
    infogiver wrote: »

    And Mr Soros billionaire from abortions is not funding the pro abortion side or is that allowed?

    ..........................


  • #408
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,882 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    gctest50 wrote: »
    this post :



    http://www./vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102221845&postcount=244

    LOL. thats the one


  • #409
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what is your point? the doctors involved ****ed up and were charged with manslaughter.

    Charges were dropped. So how do you know they ****ed up? Know more than the courts?


  • #410
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Miss the middle of it while you were cherry picking ?

    Do note the word "intervention" is not spelt "termination"


  • #411
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    marienbad wrote: »
    That is just you calling people names james - doesn't make it so , as I said I have never met a pro abortionist or a pro heart surgeryist or a pro mastectomyist .

    Can you explain again when you think her body her choice starts , I can't makes sense of your previous answer .

    Why do you recoil at the pro abortion title? You are here advocating for abortion. Why would you advocated for something you are not in favour of? Odd mental gymnastics. Is the language not flowery enough for you?


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  • #412
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jameorahiely wrote: »

    Do note the word "intervention" is not spelt "termination"


    termination be spelt termination


    Dr Peter Boylan said that if Ms Halappanavar had been given a termination on the Monday or Tuesday, one or two days after she was admitted last October 21st, she would “on the balance of probabilities”, still be alive.



    The real problem was the inability of doctors to terminate her pregnancy at an earlier stage, Dr Boylan said.

    By the time her condition worsened and this became possible, it was too late to save her life


    What is really needed is no criminal law restricting abortion at all


  • #413
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Do note the word "intervention" is not spelt "termination"

    And what form do you think this "intervention" would take on a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant?


  • #414
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Why do you recoil at the pro abortion title? You are here advocating for abortion. Why would you advocated for something you are not in favour of? Odd mental gymnastics. Is the language not flowery enough for you?

    Ah james you must do better - just because you want to name call and others don't descend to that level why are you surprised ?

    I am not advocating for anything of the kind , just as I don't advocate for appendectomies or heart bypasses .


  • #415
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    marienbad wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity what is the meaning of the George Soros reference ?
    Here you go


  • #416
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    I'm not happy to watch anyone die.


    Are you happy this woman died for no good reason?

    Aisha Chithira, from Ireland, who was 22 weeks pregnant, who died after she came to a Marie Stopes clinic in Ealing, west London, in January 2012.


    1 all on the death rate :rolleyes:
    So because someone died during a medical procedure, nobody should be allowed that procedure ever again, is this what we're to take from this?

    At least you're for abortion under certain circumstances though, which is all I can take from your avoidance of a direct answer to whether you think a mother should be allowed an abortion if continuing with the pregnancy means certain death for her and the child/foetus/whatever you wish to call it.


  • #417
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So because someone died during a medical procedure, nobody should be allowed that procedure ever again, is this what we're to take from this?

    At least you're for abortion under certain circumstances though, which is all I can take from your avoidance of a direct answer to whether you think a mother should be allowed an abortion if continuing with the pregnancy means certain death for her and the child/foetus/whatever you wish to call it.

    Isn't that the pro abortionists argument? Someone died


  • #418
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Isn't that the pro abortionists argument? Someone died
    By your logic, dentistry should be banned outlawed because of this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3814170/Patient-53-six-loose-teeth-removed-dentist-s-died-surgery-gums-didn-t-stop-bleeding.html

    You're talking disingenuous nonsense, in other words, and you know it. There is an inherent risk in just about any medical procedure and people know this, this does not mean all medical procedures need to be banned. You'll need to find something less absurd to run with.

    Or am I mistaken? Do you think dentistry should be banned?


  • #419
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    gctest50 wrote: »
    termination be spelt termination





    What is really needed is no criminal law restricting abortion at all

    They weren't examining her or taking any heed. They didn't follow hospital policy. Blaming the law is a cop out. If they were monitiring her as they shoukd have been, the path of action taken may have been different.


    Would you agree with belguims law, able to kill children up to 12 years old?


  • #420
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Billy86 wrote: »
    By your logic, dentistry should be banned outlawed because of this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3814170/Patient-53-six-loose-teeth-removed-dentist-s-died-surgery-gums-didn-t-stop-bleeding.html

    You're talking disingenuous nonsense, in other words, and you know it. There is an inherent risk in just about any medical procedure and people know this, this does not mean all medical procedures need to be banned. You'll need to find something less absurd to run with.

    Or am I mistaken? Do you think dentistry should be banned?

    Well then there was also an inherent risk in Sativas medical proceedure too. Why the outcry?


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  • #421
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    marienbad wrote: »
    Ah james you must do better - just because you want to name call and others don't descend to that level why are you surprised ?

    I am not advocating for anything of the kind , just as I don't advocate for appendectomies or heart bypasses .

    Marien, you never answer any questions you are asked.


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