Wheelchair user and Ryanair...

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 12:32PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

You'll find her chiming in against anyone who questions the story on the girl's original Facebook post about the incident.

Just seen it, the youth of today are a disgrace, think they are entitled to everything their own way these days.

HigginsJ · 22-02-2017 12:34PM

Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.

elefant · 22-02-2017 12:35PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

You'll find her chiming in against anyone who questions the story on the girl's original Facebook post about the incident.

jonnycivic wrote: »

Just seen it, the youth of today are a disgrace, think they are entitled to everything their own way these days.

Oh, the hysteria!

HeidiHeidi · 22-02-2017 12:38PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.

It's a new one on me too.

That FB thread is a disgrace - mostly to the girls themselves. Regardless of the rights and wrongs and inaccuracies or otherwise of the incident itself, how on earth they expect to garner any sympathy for their cause when they carry on like that to what come across as perfectly reasonable posters just posing questions, is a mystery to me.

And I KNOW I shouldn't let this get to me.... but her charity is called "Disablity and I" :eek: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

retro:electro · 22-02-2017 12:52PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.

Yes, and apparently she wants equality but is using divisive language like that.

mzungu · 22-02-2017 12:52PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.

More identity politics. Whilst "ableism" has been around for a good few decades it only started gaining real traction in academia in the USA in the early 2000s when a push was being made to categorise people with disabilities into their own identity grouping.

Hence, "ableist" is now the buzzword used to shut down conversations and stifle debate when things are not going your way.

Of course, it is only a minority of people who actually use that term, and it mostly seems to be confined to Tumblr and Twitter etc.

Thoie · 22-02-2017 12:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's nothing in there to disagree with of course, but very little of it applies to this person's behaviour or the actual situation to be honest

I kind of lost the point somewhere along the way in the middle of my list of "good deeds"

What I meant to say was that regardless of personal opinions of the lady in question, she has certainly managed to highlight the inequalities in traveling while disabled. I disagree with the way she's blaming Ryanair (and in particular the comments about suing), but it's certainly got everyone talking about it. If her goal was purely public awareness, she's succeeded.

bruschi · 22-02-2017 01:02PM

Saw this story and initially, yes it looks bad. however, getting more details and in particular seeing her facebook post, there is only one wrong person involved here.

As in the IT, she only really needed the wheelchair in the last few months. so maybe this was one of her first times travelling needing wheelchair assistance. Also, couple to that fact, she hasnt had years to accept her disability or get used to it as she got older, it was "sprung" on her, so maybe she is now going out to highlight all her issues that many other disabled people deal with on a daily basis with no issues.

Her use of "ablist" and shouts of discrimination and suing really do not paint her in a good light. As someone else mentioned, its clear she is going out of her way to be offended. She had a crappy experience of a fight, and went out of her way to blame everyone else, throw slurs and threaten people, when a little bit of self realisation would have gone a long way to factor in her life has changed and she needs to change accordingly with it.

Fred Swanson · 22-02-2017 01:05PM

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22-02-2017 01:07PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

It's a new one on me too.

That FB thread is a disgrace - mostly to the girls themselves. Regardless of the rights and wrongs and inaccuracies or otherwise of the incident itself, how on earth they expect to garner any sympathy for their cause when they carry on like that to what come across as perfectly reasonable posters just posing questions, is a mystery to me.

And I KNOW I shouldn't let this get to me.... but her charity is called "Disablity and I" :eek: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

On her charity page, Disability and I , people are questioning it and shes throwing out the ableist stuff again and having a meltdown there about reporting people to FB who disagree with her

22-02-2017 01:11PM

Thoie wrote: »

I kind of lost the point somewhere along the way in the middle of my list of "good deeds"

What I meant to say was that regardless of personal opinions of the lady in question, she has certainly managed to highlight the inequalities in traveling while disabled. I disagree with the way she's blaming Ryanair (and in particular the comments about suing), but it's certainly got everyone talking about it. If her goal was purely public awareness, she's succeeded.

To be honest I disagree, as most people who are talking are actually saying the special assistance they have used or used with friends or family has been exemplary. Whatever about her assuming the special assistance had been transferred over, why did she not make any mention when she was dropping her bags? "By the way, I requested special assistance, where will I get that?". You are meant to checkin or drop your bag 2 hours before the flight. If she had mentioned it at the desk, the mistake would have been revealed and there would have been time to rectify it. Failing that, going to the gate and reminding the staff you need assistance before boarding started, would have given them time to arrange something.

Instead she said by her own admission, she knew wheelchair users were put on last so she waited until last. She said Ryanairs assertion that she arrived to the gate 13 minutes before departure was false. Lets rephrase it, did she make her needs known to them 13 minutes before departure. She said she waited until everyone else had boarded, so it sounds to me like she arrived at the back of the queue and said "Wheres my special assistance?" and they were unable to facilitate her in the time they had left.

As an aside, I traveled with members of my family and a friend of theirs back in January. Going over 1 member used special assistance, and on the way back all 3 did when they saw how easy it made the whole thing. Going over, the family friend in the wheelchair was put on first.

Mrs OBumble · 22-02-2017 01:11PM

bruschi wrote: »

. Also, couple to that fact, she hasnt had years to accept her disability or get used to it as she got older, it was "sprung" on her, .

One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

22-02-2017 01:12PM

She's blocked the comments now on her FB page - id say someone has told her to reign it in with her attitude...how old is she if anyone knows,,, sounds like a whinging teenager

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-02-2017 01:13PM

I had a crappy experience on a United Air flight from Heathrow to LA when I roofied myself and started hallucinating.

Can I sue

22-02-2017 01:13PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

That will be hard for her ...I can see her going down the LON/una Mullaley route whinging about being a victim

bruschi · 22-02-2017 01:15PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

I meant in terms of actual use of the wheelchair, which apparently is only in the last couple of months. Although if she knew the illness was going to afflict her like it is, its a bit strange her very recent crusade for disability rights. Seems to have only become an issue for her when it started to affect her.

ThunbergsAreGo · 22-02-2017 01:15PM

anna080 wrote: »

Yes, and apparently she wants equality but is using divisive language like that.

What Ryanair did was treat her exactly like any other passenger, or as an "equal"

She really is coming across awfully

22-02-2017 01:16PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

Theres getting media attention and theres getting media attention. She needs to learn how to do the former.

She has graduated from the "Mary from Clontarf, 'I'm OUTRAGED Joe" school of media attention. She now needs a Diploma in "How to build bridges and not alienate people".

TheChizler · 22-02-2017 01:17PM

bruschi wrote: »

I meant in terms of actual use of the wheelchair, which apparently is only in the last couple of months. Although if she knew the illness was going to afflict her like it is, its a bit strange her very recent crusade for disability rights. Seems to have only become an issue for her when it started to affect her.

In fairness you can never know how an illness is going to progress. She's young, she would have been out enjoying herself to the best of her ability while she still could.

languagenerd · 22-02-2017 01:19PM

George Mysterious Youth wrote: »

She's blocked the comments now on her FB page - id say someone has told her to reign it in with her attitude...how old is she if anyone knows,,, sounds like a whinging teenager

I think I read somewhere she's only about 19. I think people should cut her some slack - she's young, she's only been using a wheelchair full-time for a few months and this might have been her first trip with it.

She's not painting herself in a good light with the angry comments and labelling everything "ableist". Absolutely that can be challenged. But just remember that she's quite young, posted in the heat of the moment (when she was very upset, having been left behind on her own while all her friends went off) on a Twitter account with lots of followers and is now stuck with her early comments. I'd say this has been a lesson to her about how social media/media in general work...

scamalert · 22-02-2017 01:32PM

yes shes about 20,but not a kid,if airline says she was late it means she was,pilots have tight schedules and its obvious she made a huge deal out of mistake that happened to her own fault,since you dont sue someone who gives courtesy of putting one onto next flight,which at worst would been maybe hour or two later.

Ive no clue about MS but was there someone that could just carry her into the plane,since as article says shes into wheelchair only for half a year,not entire life,or broken back.

Anyway whatever sympathy she got seems a sure way to backfire hugely back onto her charity and support site,since any lawyer could take the case up but its a losing one thus only adding to expenses.

22-02-2017 01:37PM

I definitely feel like they valued their schedule more than my custom

Do people honestly think the few Euro they pay for a Ryanair flight is even mildly comparable to the amount of money it would cost and the knock-on effects it would bring to delay a plane for one person?! Not just for the airline but for all of the passengers affected by it.

On another forum, a guy wants compensation because his flight was diverted because someone fell ill (costing Ryanair a small fortune) but on landing wasn't really that sick (in his opinion) so it's the pilot's fault for making the call to divert.

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 01:44PM

George Mysterious Youth wrote: »

She's blocked the comments now on her FB page - id say someone has told her to reign it in with her attitude...how old is she if anyone knows,,, sounds like a whinging teenager

Only on her own page tho, she will still keep it up on her Disability and I page I imagine.

Just read a few more comments and her attitude really is appalling.

Cienciano · 22-02-2017 01:47PM

newacc2015 wrote: »

“I definitely feel like they valued their schedule more than my custom".

This quote really annoys me. She said something similar on facebook about other passengers being more important than her. Other passengers shouldn't pay the price for her fúcking up her booking.
She also said she understands that Ryanair have a schedule, but the captain "pulled off on me" and it's no excuse to leave her behind. How can he do both? That's a perfect excuse to leave her behind.

Ryanair have 1,800 flights per day!
They have on average over 350,000 passengers per day! How many of them have made a mistake somewhere with their booking? If they delayed a plane for everyone that fúcked up their booking, there would be knock on delays across Europe.

flutered · 22-02-2017 01:48PM

i flew wit ryan air back in november, i use a chair, they could not do enough for me, it id the airport athu who boards and unboards the passengers, all ra does is fly, when you arrive at dublin airport you have to contact a desk, yoy will be asked a number of questions one of which is do you need to use the hoist to board, saying that, i requested to go for a coffee, i was wheeled upstairs and was to be collected at a specified time, the chair was taken away once i was seated, i was not collected and has to nearly crawl back down or miss my flight, luckily i had a stick

stimpson · 22-02-2017 01:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Instead she said by her own admission, she knew wheelchair users were put on last so she waited until last. She said Ryanairs assertion that she arrived to the gate 13 minutes before departure was false. Lets rephrase it, did she make her needs known to them 13 minutes before departure.

I was wondering about this, so I checked my mail for the notification from Ryanair. It says this:

Your assistance type will be printed on our online boarding pass.
Please ensure that you report to the special assistance desk at your departing airport at least 2 hours before departure.
Customers must report to the departure gate at latest 30 minutes before scheduled departure time.

So she obviously didn't follow the procedure. Not sure what she expected Ryanair to do with 13 minutes notice.

Jayop · 22-02-2017 02:00PM

You'd feel dirty defending the big business in something like this but it looks pretty clear cut. Yer one made a balls of the booking, made a balls of either getting there on time or alerting someone to her presence, made a balls of a perfectly reasonable question and then has made a balls of her complaint too.

I know not every industry has the disability needs down to a tee but im general air travel and big tourist attractions do. I know from personal family experience (not wheelchair use) that in situations where you pre alert to an issue you are looked after where ever possible.

soups05 · 22-02-2017 02:03PM

the really fun part about all this is that she will now be remembered by those she abused on fb etc.if she ever does anything wrong in the future you can be sure this will be brought up and thrown in her face. she wanted attention, she got it, now she will regret it lol .

TerrorFirmer · 22-02-2017 02:26PM

She's out of control on Facebook frankly. And not even under her own name - using her 'Disability and I' account to shout people down and hurl abuse at them.

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 02:28PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

She's out of control on Facebook frankly. And not even under her own name - using her 'Disability and I' account to shout people down and hurl abuse at them.

Ah but shes not shouting people down, she's only pointing out the disgusting ablists so we all know who they are :pac:

PrettyBoy · 22-02-2017 02:30PM

Whatever about her being young and disabled, the way this girl talks to people is absolutely appalling. She wanted to draw attention to the issue and she got plenty but it's not the kind she wanted and now she's having a meltdown. I can't get my head around how badly she's handling this. How could anyone have any sympathy for her after seeing her posts on both her personal Facebook and charity page? She's embarrassing herself. Her family should really intervene.

Cienciano · 22-02-2017 02:33PM

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Whatever about her being young and disabled, the way this girl talks to people is absolutely appalling. She wanted to draw attention to the issue and she got plenty but it's not the kind she wanted and now she's having a meltdown. I can't get my head around how badly she's handling this. How could anyone have any sympathy for her after seeing her posts on both her personal Facebook and charity page? She's embarrassing herself. Her family should really intervene.

http://i64.tinypic.com/9gvyic.jpg

Looks like she's having a breakdown

Cupcake_Crisis · 22-02-2017 02:34PM

She's fighting with people on a Spin 103.8 facebook post atm...

retro:electro · 22-02-2017 02:34PM

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Whatever about her being young and disabled, the way this girl talks to people is absolutely appalling. She wanted to draw attention to the issue and she got plenty but it's not the kind she wanted and now she's having a meltdown. I can't get my head around how badly she's handling this. How could anyone have any sympathy for her after seeing her posts on both her personal Facebook and charity page? She's embarrassing herself. Her family should really intervene.

She sounds unhinged.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-02-2017 02:43PM

Bahahahahahahaha my face would be an actual gif right now

I'll report you for crimes against ableism

Can't cope

HigginsJ · 22-02-2017 02:44PM

At this stage I just feel for the poor girl, she is getting killed everywhere she turns.

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 02:49PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

At this stage I just feel for the poor girl, she is getting killed everywhere she turns.

She only has herself to blame for that in fairness.

NinjaTruncs · 22-02-2017 02:56PM

Looking at the screenshot she's clearly drunk right? That can be the only explanation.

Jayop · 22-02-2017 02:58PM

I'd have sympathy for her reading those posts. She's clearly unhinged and not dealing with things in life well. This could be something she looks back on and regrets.

HigginsJ · 22-02-2017 02:59PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

She only has herself to blame for that in fairness.

100% but still...... someone have a word.

El Weirdo · 22-02-2017 03:00PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

100% but still...... someone have a word.

It seems to me that people are trying, but are being told that they're "disgusting ableists" for doing so.

She deserves everything she gets, imo.

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 03:01PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

100% but still...... someone have a word.

A few of the early posts did say to her to calm down but most were deleted etc. If she had good "friends" then they should have a word but personally looking at it I really dont think she will let this bone down in fairness.

inforfun · 22-02-2017 03:13PM

Sounds like someone who has been told all her life by mommy, daddy and extended family that she is a very special princes.
And then she started to believe in that.

groovyg · 22-02-2017 03:19PM

Oh god that last comment is hilarious

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I will no longer be speaking to ableist disgraces. I will be reporting to you for crimes against ableism

I don't if she is being serious or just taking the piss at this stage LOL
She needs to shut her FB page and twitter accounts down, she is not coming out of this well.

22-02-2017 03:24PM

She seems a little bit ..... lableist

HeidiHeidi · 22-02-2017 03:26PM

It's all starting to feel very voyeuristic at this stage - those who said she sounds drunk and/or unhinged aren't far wide of the mark IMO.

I really hope someone can take her aside and put an end to this now.

22-02-2017 03:28PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I really hope someone can take her aside and put an end to this now.

Jesus, steady on

HeidiHeidi · 22-02-2017 03:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus, steady on

:eek:

Comments seem to have stopped on both FB pages, so maybe someone's had a word in her shell-like. Hopefully.

Kimbot · 22-02-2017 03:30PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

:eek:

Comments seem to have stopped on both FB pages, so maybe someone's had a word in her shell-like. Hopefully.

Sure shes too busy on the radio about it to write anything on FB just yet :P

22-02-2017 03:31PM

inforfun wrote: »

Sounds like someone who has been told all her life by mommy, daddy and extended family that she is a very special princes.
And then she started to believe in that.

and that's the main problem with a lot of the younger generation, being told they're the best, nothing is ever their fault, everybody gets a medal - god I sound old and im not even 30 yet....