€5k for people on the dole to milk cows

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Water John wrote: »

Well the shortage of labour on dairy farms is being addressed. A four week training course is being rolled out for people on UB.

http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-pilot-work-on-dairy-farms-3527832-Aug2017/

This should be an interesting social experiment.

Fantastic, really good start. I see nothing wrong with it. It may bring some par time farmers into a very well paid job.

I agree it's a win win but the amount of negitivity on Facebook about it would make you cry. Farmers really the biggest bunch of moaners going

jaymla627 wrote: »

Imagine the insurance claims from lads claiming damages after a good belt of a irate heifer, they'd be on easy street would be able to go on disability benefit then along with a nice 20-30k payout haha

any kick now is 70k as a local mart found out,

injured party got kicked on shin, xrays were of knee, claim for 150k , settlement of 70.

darragh_haven wrote: »

I was talking to Tommy Moyles about this. He had a piece on the journal about it too.
I think that there is a general consensus that the dairy farmer looks down on the part time beef farmer. And a "shur your at nothing most of the day, I'll give you work" mentality. This can change with a decent wage and decent hours. But most farmers trying to hire people are saying there isn't enough money in dairying to pay hired help €500 (take home) for 40 hours a week.

If ya told lads around here that 11 days on and 3 days off was the Rota, they'd go to the nearest building site.

true but I don't think that's what this scheme is going to do. You wont get a farm manager from this but somebody to do roughly 170 milkings a year at €30 a milking (I only took the figure from the top of my head, if you think you would have pay more than increase the number accordingly)

still usefull for example if you were a guy still playing football and could get somebody to milk a couple of evenings a week so you could go training.

it isn't going to solve the labour shortage overnight but even if it brought 100 part time milkers into the fold overnight it would be something

How far will €5,000 go. If the person is travelling even 10km to the farm. Lets say 10 trips a week for 36 weeks. Using the low civil service rate of 45cents/km, that's €1,600 gone just on travelling expenses.

sure look at all the people that had to do Job bridge for an extra 50 a week, It didn't matter that it may have cost them more just to travel to do it.

When I was younger I was helping a local farmer milk cows when one shat on me. Shortly thereafter I moved to the city.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

How far will €5,000 go. If the person is travelling even 10km to the farm. Lets say 10 trips a week for 36 weeks. Using the low civil service rate of 45cents/km, that's €1,600 gone just on travelling expenses.

Most people don't get mileage for going to and from work?

3 the square wrote: »

Most people on the dole that I know are tipping away working anyways know one lad that sweeps up after painter for 120 euro cash a day
Not bad.

What sweeping up would need to be done after a painter??? A wet cloth maybe better?


On the the dole issue. The farmers giving out about it need to cop on it can only and will bring positive change to the shortage of labour.
People are forgetting how much dairying has changed and a full time dairy workers job details involve milking, washing , scraping , feeding calfs , cow health all this stuff can be picked up fairly easy with abit of interest. These lads that will come off this program dont need to know how to drive a 150hp tractor.
And for the lads talking insurance claims Sure if they want to do that all they have to do is fall over walking down the street or fake a car crash. Plenty of people at that...

Farmers need to stop putting a divide between town and country. Your no better or different than anyone from the town or on social welfare

jaymla627 wrote: »

Imagine the insurance claims from lads claiming damages after a good belt of a irate heifer, they'd be on easy street would be able to go on disability benefit then along with a nice 20-30k payout haha

My father sued after being in a car crash. There was nothing really wrong with him but he got €14k. There was never luck for it.

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memorystick wrote: »

My father sued after being in a car crash. There was nothing really wrong with him but he got €14k. There was never luck for it.

It's embedded in todays culture now to go claiming for the slightest tip/bang even where no actual long-term injury exists, brother is currently a witness in a case where a women just out of hospital for issues regarding her ankles/seriously overweight simply collapsed in a filling station under her own weight and is suing for massive damages it was threw out of the district court and is now going to the high court, its simply lawyers facilitating this as the Irish judicial system is a mess and they know once they get a soft judge massive paydays are guaranteed....
Would be very naive for lads to think they wont get a claim against them, if a employee gets injured on farm, if employing anyone here it would be through the frs and let them worry about it

3 the square wrote: »

Most people on the dole that I know are tipping away working anyways know one lad that sweeps up after painter for 120 euro cash a day
Not bad.

€120 cash per day is €600 net for a 5 day week

For a single man that the equivalent of just over €40K per annum.. or €19.72 per hour.. Plus based on what you are saying they get social welfare on top !!

FFS its not 2006

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

True, but most people don't travel to work for €5,000 a year either.:rolleyes:

The Mother did with her part time work. 30 min drive with no traffic at all

Ah lads, with an *average* dairy farmer income of €80k for 2017 ye expect the government to subsidise workers!!!

FFS.





I'll get my coat.

Sam Kade wrote: »

€80k average dairy farm income, you shouldn't believe what you read in some rag. At 10 cent a litre profit from milk you'd want to be milking 160 cows to make that profit. Average dairy herd size in 2016 was under 100 cows.

That is income not profit..

whelan2 wrote: »

It's only being done in Waterford and Kilkenny. The rest of the country mustn't be important enough !

Can you expand Whelan? Must have missed this...Cant believe this....

Jaysus.....the Kilkenny boys don't even have a "day out" for the rest of the year...

knipex wrote: »

That is income not profit..

What's the difference?

ganmo wrote: »

Income is money received.
Profit is income minus expenses

Think farm income is farm profit plus whatever the spouse earned off farm

So dairy farmers get to have the gov train up, and subsidize, their future staff for them. That's nice.






Must send an email to Mme. Margrethe Vestager....