Australia Trials Cashless Welfare Card

steddyeddy · 03-09-2017 11:04AM

I presume the proponents of this feel pensioners should also have this card? After all far more tax goes to them.

steddyeddy · 03-09-2017 11:05AM

Ineedaname wrote: »

A vast majority of the welfare bill is on pensions.

Would this apply to them too?

Snap. No, often with welfare bashers they want to target things that only apply other people.

Ineedaname · 03-09-2017 11:11AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

wasnt there an article a few months back discussing how some families couldn't afford tpons for their teenage children? If their state benefit can only be accepted in stores then surely this will help the families who are in poverty and real need?

How would it do that?

Mr. teddywinkles · 03-09-2017 11:16AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

wasnt there an article a few months back discussing how some families couldn't afford tpons for their teenage children? If their state benefit can only be accepted in stores then surely this will help the families who are in poverty and real need?

Well if it pays all there bills from car insurance to toilet roll. If I had it long term it would be some sort of magic card. Paying all my bills.
Funny thing about the dole as is. When I was on it. It didn't exactly pay for everything. As a matter of fact it was ****e money and I had to substitute a lot of the extra money out of my savings most weeks being on it. Yes there people drawing money for 30 kids here and there. Taking the piss

Captain Obvious · 03-09-2017 11:18AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Snap. No, often with welfare bashers they want to target things that only apply other people.

Let me get you a stepladder so you can get down from your horse safely.

The reason people have an issue with the dole is that it allows a person to go through their whole life being supported by the state and providing nothing in return. The last estimate I saw was one in seven people on the dole had never worked before. People see this as parasitic behaviour. What makes it harder to accept is that high crime anti social areas seem to have a very high proportion of these claimants. Your average Joe isn't going to see all the strings that contribute to this kind of situation and look at it in a more simple way.

The reason people don't have the same issue with pensions is that we are all entitled to it in our later years. This is why a universal income would be more palatable to most people, because it's effectively a pension for life.

steddyeddy · 03-09-2017 11:19AM

So anyway I presume proponents of this system would extend it to pensioners?

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 11:24AM

Jobs should give this card to workers who they feel might go out on the weekend drinking or spend money on things that the employer doesn't agree with and not spend their money on groceries. It's alright cause they will get 20% in cash.

Captain Obvious · 03-09-2017 11:26AM

caniask86 wrote: »

Jobs should give this card to workers who they feel might go out on the weekend drinking or spend money on things that the employer doesn't agree with and not spend their money on groceries. It's alright cause they will get 20% in cash.

Aw man, has nobody ever explained to you the difference between working for a wage and getting a supportive payment from the government? Do you actually not comprehend the difference between a wage and job seekers benefit? That's a pretty sad reflection on you to be honest.

Wheeliebin30 · 03-09-2017 11:29AM

Seems we have the highest rate of jobless households in Europe which means father's sons grandsons mothers daughters granddaughters all unemployed.

There is a cycle and I welcome any initiative which might help break this cycle.

Cloudio9 · 03-09-2017 11:30AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

So anyway I presume proponents of this system would extend it to pensioners?

Ultimately it could be extended to everyone and only a certain percentage of salary could be spent on alcohol and nights out and sugary drinks. Binge drinking, obesity and public disorder sorted. The state can solve all problems :pac:

Pkiernan · 03-09-2017 11:30AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I don't understand it. There's posters from good backgrounds complaining about being squeezed and finding it tough to live on their over-taxed waged. Then in the same breath, they criticise those on the dole and preach that they are poor because of their own life choices.

So in other words the poor are poor because of the poor and the moany middle are struggling because of the poor. I think they should apply their principles to themselves. Not doing well in life = poor life choices.

Thing is that I am doing well in life. But i would be doing a lot better if i wasn't taxed at 54% to pay for lazy layabouts.

Only left wing dingbats can think that creating multi generational welfare ghettos is somehow compassionate and caring.

Dole should be an embarrassing last resort, not a lifestyle.

steddyeddy · 03-09-2017 11:33AM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Thing is that I am doing well in life. But i would be doing a lot better if i wasn't taxed at 54% to pay for lazy layabouts.

Only left wing dingbats can think that creating multi generational welfare ghettos is somehow compassionate and caring.

Dole should be an embarrassing last resort, not a lifestyle.

The government is taking 54% of your income for dole users....

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 11:35AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Aw man, has nobody ever explained to you the difference between working for a wage and getting a supportive payment from the government? Do you actually not comprehend the difference between a wage and job seekers benefit? That's a pretty sad reflection on you to be honest.

I work myself but my point being that you are completely controlling what the money is spend on. That isn't nice for anyone.

Ineedaname · 03-09-2017 11:36AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The government is taking 54% of your income for dole users....

News to me

Ush1 · 03-09-2017 11:42AM

When it comes to getting people to do what you want, the stick has never worked.

begbysback · 03-09-2017 11:44AM

Ush1 wrote: »

When it comes to getting people to do what you want, the stick has never worked.

I think they put the money on a card

Captain Obvious · 03-09-2017 11:44AM

caniask86 wrote: »

I work myself but my point being that you are completely controlling what the money is spend on. That isn't nice for anyone.

It's not complete control by any means. 20% into the bank account to spend on anything you want and you can use the other 80% on all but a very few things. It's not supposed to be nice, it's supposed to give you basic financial support between jobs. It's not a gift.

pablo128 · 03-09-2017 11:45AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Aw man, has nobody ever explained to you the difference between working for a wage and getting a supportive payment from the government? Do you actually not comprehend the difference between a wage and job seekers benefit? That's a pretty sad reflection on you to be honest.

Lets say someone is working in a low paid job and getting FIS on top. Does the job give them a pre-loaded card for their wages? After all they are in receipt of social welfare.

Or is it difficult for you to comprehend someone in such a situation?

And as has been asked, would you like this system to be extended to pensioners?

Captain Obvious · 03-09-2017 11:49AM

pablo128 wrote: »

Lets say someone is working in a low paid job and getting FIS on top. Does the job give them a pre-loaded card for their wages? After all they are in receipt of social welfare.

Or is it difficult for you to comprehend someone in such a situation?

Why would the job be bothered if you are getting social welfare? They pay you for your work done. The social welfare payments are a separate thing. They are in exchange for nothing. By comparing this to wages you are showing a complete ignorance of the difference between working for money and getting money for nothing in return.

pablo128 wrote: »

And as has been asked, would you like this system to be extended to pensioners?

Already answered that above.

Sweetemotion · 03-09-2017 11:49AM

Why not do it for everyone taking money out of the same pot?

Garda, nurse's, civil servants, farmers and so on. All are getting paid through taxation.

Samsgirl · 03-09-2017 11:50AM

I think it's a good idea. Should be rolled out for childrens allowence also. No coinsidence that supermarkers run alcohol promotions on the first Tue of the month.

Captain Obvious · 03-09-2017 11:51AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Why not do it for everyone taking money out of the same pot?

Garda, nurse's, civil servants, farmers and so on. All are getting paid through taxation.

Yet another person who doesn't comprehend the difference between wages and welfare. This is pretty pathetic. A poor reflection on society that people can't differentiate between a handout and a wage.

Samsgirl · 03-09-2017 11:51AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Why not do it for everyone taking money out of the same pot?

Garda, nurse's, civil servants, farmers and so on. All are getting paid through taxation.

Maybe because they work for their money and receive wages.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 03-09-2017 11:54AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Why not do it for everyone taking money out of the same pot?

Garda, nurse's, civil servants, farmers and so on. All are getting paid through taxation.

The awkward moment when people can't understand the difference between having a job and getting handouts

Sweetemotion · 03-09-2017 11:54AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yet another person who doesn't comprehend the difference between wages and welfare. This is pretty pathetic. A poor reflection on society that people can't differentiate between a handout and a wage.

I understand, it's the people who think 54% of their wage goes to unemployed that don't.

TresGats · 03-09-2017 11:58AM

I wouldn't support it anyway. It has a "we know better" feel to it.
There is nothing wrong with being unemployed in a country with high levels of unemployment. It's like musical chairs, there are not jobs for everyone, although I believe there is more jobs than there were. As long as you are looking for work, you should not be penalised in any way.
Is this brought in for disabled people & pensioners also?

Sweetemotion · 03-09-2017 11:59AM

Samsgirl wrote: »

Maybe because they work for their money and receive wages.

I know alot of people in public sector that don't work for their money.

Ineedaname · 03-09-2017 12:04PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I know alot of people in public sector that don't work for their money.

My cousin works in the HSE so I've heard plenty of stories. There are people in that organisation that would put any waster to shame.

steddyeddy · 03-09-2017 12:07PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Why would the job be bothered if you are getting social welfare? They pay you for your work done. The social welfare payments are a separate thing. They are in exchange for nothing. By comparing this to wages you are showing a complete ignorance of the difference between working for money and getting money for nothing in return.

Already answered that above.

You answered it, but your answer an example of cognitive dissonance.

Samsgirl · 03-09-2017 12:11PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I know alot of people in public sector that don't work for their money.

Maybe true in certain organisations but then again there are nurses, guards etc who don't get paid enough for what they do but that's a while other argument.

Australia Trials Cashless Welfare Card

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