UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

Dr Brown · 22-02-2018 02:57AM #1

It's PC gone mad.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-to-re-designate-more-than-170-toilets-as-gender-neutral-1.3400807

UCD is to re-designate more than 170 toilets across the entire campus as “gender neutral” and introduce transgender changing facilities at its sport centre.
The move is part of a new university policy to provide a welcoming campus for transgender and gender-fluid students and employees.
In addition, UCD is to allow transgender students to change their names on official university award documents and other material without the need for gender recognition certificates.
Minister for Children and equality campaigner Katherine Zappone, who is due to launch the new policy on Thursday, has welcomed the move as another step towards “full equality for all”.
“Our universities are drivers of change, promoters of equality and champions of justice,” she said.

Mod-Ok folks, A few people have been banned, From here on anyone linking transgender to mental illness will get the same treatment. Discuss the topic. You can think an idea is a good idea or a bad idea without being a dick about it.

riffmongous · 22-02-2018 03:09AM

According to the rest of the article a few other unis have already done it since last summer, judging by the lack of articles complaining about it nobody has been too bothered.

Duckworth_Luas · 22-02-2018 03:13AM

It's WC gone mad!

falinn merking · 22-02-2018 03:18AM

riffmongous wrote: »

According to the rest of the article a few other unis have already done it since last summer, judging by the lack of articles complaining about it nobody has been too bothered.

Or nobody is allowed complain for fear of a backlash from the tolerance Gestapo.

endacl · 22-02-2018 03:18AM

I'd say there'll be a campaign to switch them back shortly after, once the reality of piddle splatters and seats being left up kicks in.

Student idealism.

Bless.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-02-2018 03:22AM

Who gives a ****? It's a toilet.

Thinking you have a right to tell someone to sit down or stand up to pee, and spouting 'PC gone mad' bull**** when you can't? - THAT'S snowflake territory right there.

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-02-2018 03:29AM

As long as they continue to also provide single-sex toilets for those who prefer that, then I don't see what the problem is.

22-02-2018 03:31AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

It's PC gone mad.

Are the bathrooms in your house divided into male and female? How do you cope if not!?

falinn merking · 22-02-2018 03:31AM

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Donald Trump · 22-02-2018 03:33AM

UCD is a toilet

Donald Trump · 22-02-2018 03:35AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

It's PC gone mad.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-to-re-designate-more-than-170-toilets-as-gender-neutral-1.3400807

Appropriate username OP.

patsman07 · 22-02-2018 03:40AM

My local Catholic church has had a gender neutral bathroom since the 1940s.

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-02-2018 03:41AM

patsman07 wrote: »

My local Catholic church has had a gender neutral bathroom since the 1940s.

RC gone mad.

Donald Trump · 22-02-2018 03:43AM

That's nothing

Sure my local compère doesn't know if he's a man or a woman

MC gone mad

Then they wanted to install a gender neutral toilet across the road from me gaff for the tourists!

DC gone mad!

Then they told me that the ancient Greeks had gender neutral jacks

BC gone mad

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-02-2018 03:46AM

falinn merking wrote: »

riffmongous wrote: »

According to the rest of the article a few other unis have already done it since last summer, judging by the lack of articles complaining about it nobody has been too bothered.

Or nobody is allowed complain for fear of a backlash from the tolerance Gestapo.

Thank God the intolerance Gestapo arrived to set us all straight.

Dr Brown · 22-02-2018 03:46AM

Is it any wonder Irish Universities are slipping down the world rankings when they are more concenred about gender neutral toilets.

Junkyard Tom · 22-02-2018 03:48AM

I grew up with gender neutral toilets in MY OWN HOME. :mad:

freshpopcorn · 22-02-2018 03:53AM

These don't bother me once they are used as toilets. You use the toilets/wash your hand and leave.
They shouldn't be used for talking or applying make-up.

patsman07 · 22-02-2018 03:54AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Thank God the intolerance Gestapo arrived to set us all straight.

It's the "Tolerence Gestapo."

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-02-2018 03:56AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Is it any wonder Irish Universities are slipping down the world rankings when they are more concenred about gender neutral toilets.

Calm down and lose that frown, Dr Brown. It's not like they're converting Theatre L into a giant unisex toilet. You seem more concerned about this than anyone. Are you a student in UCD?

falinn merking · 22-02-2018 04:01AM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Calm down and lose that frown, Dr Brown. It's not like they're converting Theatre L into a giant unisex toilet. You seem more concerned about this than anyone. Are you a student in UCD?

I did not see anything in his post to indicate he was not calm or needed to calm down.
Maybe you are finding somebody with an opinion of their own alarming?

Maybe we need more safe spaces?:D

But not the toilet.

Duckworth_Luas · 22-02-2018 04:02AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

These don't bother me once they are used as toilets.
They shouldn't be used for talking

I studied at a British university where, in less enlightened times, they still had gender based facilities.

Interestingly, there were holes in the dividers between all the male cubicles in the library.

I guess the university wanted us to have a chat with each other while we were dropping the kids of at the pool.

I made many friends that way.

What glorious times!

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-02-2018 04:16AM

falinn merking wrote: »

I did not see anything in his post to indicate he was not calm or needed to calm down.
Maybe you are finding somebody with an opinion of their own alarming?

Maybe we need more safe spaces?:D

But not the toilet.

Hey, if someone's claiming that there's a link between university rankings and gender neutral toilets, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that anger is making them blow stuff out of proportion. Better than calling the poor chap an eejit, God love him.

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-02-2018 04:40AM

patsman07 wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Thank God the intolerance Gestapo arrived to set us all straight.

It's the "Tolerence Gestapo."

I was responding to someone using that absolutely ridiculous term.

The point, since apparently it wasn't obvious, is that people like that always want the debate to be about their RIGHT to be intolerant. Anyone who disagrees with them isn't just disagreeing, they're "shouting us down" somehow, in an all written forum. I think this is a deliberate tactic to avoid ever having to actually talk about or defend their views, so they can keep the debate about free speech or whatever, as if they are simply defenders of principle, rather than just old fashioned intolerant people. The resort to comparisons with the Gestapo is telling, given how precious such people get when they're called Nazis themselves.

It's transparent deflection. Sorry for shouting you down freedom fighters!

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-02-2018 04:48AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Is it any wonder Irish Universities are slipping down the world rankings when they are more concenred about gender neutral toilets.

The only ones "concerned" about it are the likes of you. Do you think there's a link between this and the fall in the university rankings?

I mean...it might be to do with the cuts in funding, the shift away from core strengths in Irish universities like humanities, the increasing reliance on contingent faculty, the salary cuts, the bloated administration.

But maybe you're right, it was the jacks all along.

mickuhaha · 22-02-2018 04:52AM

"UCD is to allow transgender students to change their names on official university award documents and other material without the need for gender recognition certificates."

Is this not just going to reduce the value of wining the award as if it's not connected to your legal name how can you prove that it's your award?

mickuhaha · 22-02-2018 05:07AM

"UCD is to re-designate more than 170 toilets across the entire campus as “gender neutral” and introduce transgender changing facilities at its sport centre."

Great now people who want to change on there own in a separate stall can . I used the disabled room when I felt self conscious.

Do UCD have a transgender sports team? Do you have to identify as a single sex to play on the male of female teams? Can trans of fluid genders get involved in single sex teams or do they just work out there?

suicide_circus · 22-02-2018 05:07AM

Is this just unisex toilets?

mickuhaha · 22-02-2018 05:10AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Is this just unisex toilets?

I think we will have to wait for more info to be sure unisex or separate single rooms.

_Dara_ · 22-02-2018 05:13AM

I'm fine with unisex loos. A few of my workplaces over the years have had them. They just need to be called the WC though or whatever, no need to mention gender at all.

Bob24 · 22-02-2018 05:59AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I'm fine with unisex loos. A few of my workplaces over the years have had them. They just need to be called the WC though or whatever, no need to mention gender at all.

Agree but this whole thing about gender neutral toilets is a political/ideological/language war more then anything else, simply calling them "toilets" or "WC" wouldn't achieve the purpose of the change.

If the IT picture gives any indication, their could be "male", "female", and "all genders" (including disabled people who would become an "gender" and probably lose their previously dedicated toilets in the process).

UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

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