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Could a terrorist attack happen in Ireland?

  • 14-08-2018 07:28PM
    #1
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭


    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about groups from the Six Counties here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    After recent events, including in Westminster earlier which a man tried to kill a number of people by ramming a car into pedestrians.

    Many politicians and senior members of AGS have said that Ireland cannot be immune from terrorism, although an attack is very unlikely.

    I agree that a mass-casualty atrocity is more than likely not going to happen, but an incident like what happened in Westminster is very much an underlying possibility.

    An Islamist extremist attack here would more than likely come from someone who isn't actually a member of IS or another terrorist organisation, but would probably be inspired by their caused and radicalised, similar to recent attacks in Britain. A vehicle going down Grafton Street or O'Connell Street hitting and likely killing a number of people would be a plausible scenario. An attack similar to that in Manchester involving a bombing at a crowded venue is somewhat likely also.

    I won't blame it entirely on immigration, although it could play a part.

    In addition, I strongly doubt that the Gardaí could deal with such serious incidents like the scenarios above.

    So, do you think Ireland could be next?

    Do you think a terror attack could happen in Ireland? 89 votes

    Yes
    1% 1 vote
    No
    98% 88 votes


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  • #2
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about groups from the Six Counties here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    After recent events, including in Westminster earlier which a man tried to kill a number of people by ramming a car into pedestrians.

    Many politicians and senior members of AGS have said that Ireland cannot be immune from terrorism, although an attack is very unlikely.

    I agree that a mass-casualty atrocity is more than likely not going to happen, but an incident like what happened in Westminster is very much an underlying possibility.

    An Islamist extremist attack here would more than likely come from someone who isn't actually a member of IS or another terrorist organisation, but would probably be inspired by their caused and radicalised, similar to recent attacks in Britain. A vehicle going down Grafton Street or O'Connell Street hitting and likely killing a number of people would be a plausible scenario. An attack similar to that in Manchester involving a bombing at a crowded venue is somewhat likely also.

    I won't blame it entirely on immigration, although it could play a part.

    In addition, I strongly doubt that the Gardaí could deal with such serious incidents like the scenarios above.

    So, do you think Ireland could be next?

    Absolutely. Why would we be exempt ?


  • #3
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I think we should just rename AH The Crank and Loon forum and leave them to it.


  • #4
    rgodard80a
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Absolutely. Why would we be exempt ?

    Because we haven't sent forces to fight directly against ISIS


  • #5
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Absolutely. Why would we be exempt ?

    Because we haven't sent forces to fight directly against ISIS

    Very naive there.


  • #6
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    Because we haven't sent forces to fight directly against ISIS

    I suppose, because we are supposedly neutral and all that, we would be less of a target? Would I be right in saying that?


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  • #7
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about groups from the Six Counties here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    They haven't gone away. You should be more worried about them.


  • #8
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    I think we should just rename AH The Crank and Loon forum and leave them to it.

    And Xenophobic, sorry, Nativist!


  • #9
    Mike Hoch
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 173 ✭✭Mike Hoch


    There already was one in Dundalk in January. However, the amount of idiots ISIS is able to inspire is currently in severe decline giving the hiding they got in the last 12 months, compared to how many lone wolf attacks happened in 2015- 2018.


  • #10
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    Because we haven't sent forces to fight directly against ISIS

    Neither did Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_attack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Stockholm_bombings

    Actually think the upcoming Papal mass is a very high risk event.


  • #11
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    Because we haven't sent forces to fight directly against ISIS

    We're more likely to just aid and abet at Shannon International.


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  • #12
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    They could whack the pope in the park that would be a headline grabber


  • #13
    cbyrd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭cbyrd


    Didn't we once have plenty of home grown terrorists? It's not that long ago.


  • #14
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    The biggest loss of life on one day during the troubles happened in the republic , namely the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974 so they have happened here already .


  • #15
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Neither did Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_attack

    Sweden did.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20160713/sweden-set-to-double-anti-isis-troops-in-iraq


  • #16
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    SPDUB wrote: »
    The biggest loss of life on one day during the troubles happened in the republic , namely the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974 so they have happened here already .

    Unless Black September claim responsibility for them they won't even register in some obsessive minds around here.


  • #17
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    At a minimum, all it takes is one disaffected dickhead with a knife or a hatchback, so I'm pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened already.


  • #18
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    The idea that we haven't sent soldiers and are neutral so they aren't a threat illustrates how tone deaf some people are to Islamic Terrorism


  • #19
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Mike Hoch wrote: »
    There already was one in Dundalk in January. However, the amount of idiots ISIS is able to inspire is currently in severe decline giving the hiding they got in the last 12 months, compared to how many lone wolf attacks happened in 2015- 2018.

    I disagree with labelling the murder in Dundalk as terrorism. It seems to have been the act of a mentally ill individual who just came from the Middle East. If some of the recent string of murders down here were committed by mentally ill Muslim people, it would probably be called terrorism as well. It's ridiculous.
    SPDUB wrote: »
    The biggest loss of life on one day during the troubles happened in the republic , namely the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974 so they have happened here already .

    That was committed by the UVF. The names of those involved are freely available online.


  • #20
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    SPDUB wrote: »
    The biggest loss of life on one day during the troubles happened in the republic , namely the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974 so they have happened here already .

    Allegedly carried out by agents of HM Govt.


  • #21
    Mike Hoch
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 173 ✭✭Mike Hoch


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    At a minimum, all it takes is one disaffected dickhead with a knife or a hatchback, so I'm pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened already.

    It has. In Dundalk.

    You won't hear any of the left wingers who go on about the Mary Boyle, Maurice McCabe and the breath test scandal be particularly interested in the creative talents of the Gardai in regards to this case however. It's best forgotten about.


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  • #22
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    There will be lots if they stick a hard border back in Ireland


  • #23
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Mike Hoch wrote: »
    It has. In Dundalk.

    You won't hear any of the left wingers who go on about the Mary Boyle, Maurice McCabe and the breath test scandal be particularly interested in the creative talents of the Gardai in regards to this case however. It's best forgotten about.
    Again, many people, myself included, would take issue with the Dundalk incident being called terrorism. It was clearly carried out by a mentally ill individual.


  • #24
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    How many of these Islamist headbangers are there alleged to be in Ireland at this present moment?


  • #25
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    SPDUB wrote: »
    The biggest loss of life on one day during the troubles happened in the republic , namely the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974 so they have happened here already .

    And the Omagh bombing was the single greatest loss of life


  • #26
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Try_harder wrote: »
    And the Omagh bombing was the single greatest loss of life

    Twenty years ago tommorow.


  • #27
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Could it happen, absolutely. Will it happen, I really wouldn't worry about it.


  • #28
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about groups from the Six Counties here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    After recent events, including in Westminster earlier which a man tried to kill a number of people by ramming a car into pedestrians.

    Many politicians and senior members of AGS have said that Ireland cannot be immune from terrorism, although an attack is very unlikely.

    I agree that a mass-casualty atrocity is more than likely not going to happen, but an incident like what happened in Westminster is very much an underlying possibility.

    An Islamist extremist attack here would more than likely come from someone who isn't actually a member of IS or another terrorist organisation, but would probably be inspired by their caused and radicalised, similar to recent attacks in Britain. A vehicle going down Grafton Street or O'Connell Street hitting and likely killing a number of people would be a plausible scenario. An attack similar to that in Manchester involving a bombing at a crowded venue is somewhat likely also.

    I won't blame it entirely on immigration, although it could play a part.

    In addition, I strongly doubt that the Gardaí could deal with such serious incidents like the scenarios above.

    So, do you think Ireland could be next?

    This all sounds very familiar, a bit of the old copy and paste going on. The answer is yes. Plenty of MI6 and Loyalists still milling around.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057729256
    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about the IRA or groups from the North here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    After the Westminster attack, Frances Fitzgerald told the Dail that Ireland is not immune from terror attacks.

    They have attacked promenades in Nice, theatres, restaurants, supermarkets, offices, airports and museums in Paris, beaches in Tunisia, Christmas markets in Berlin, airports and metros Brussels and Istanbul, Ankara, Stockholm, St. Petersburg and the list goes on. Good Christ, they have even attacked German football team buses now.

    So, do you think Ireland could be next?


  • #29
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    They haven't gone away. You should be more worried about them.

    I'm forced to agree.

    If there is a united Ireland, and let's face the fact that it's more likely to happen now compared to before, the loyalist groups would undoubtedly pose the largest threat, the UDA, UVF etc etc.

    In order to combat them we'd need a larger army which could involve conscription, the creation of an Air Force and the expansion of the Navy. Once that's happened, it's bye bye neutrality. Sorry lefties.


  • #30
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    I'm forced to agree.

    If there is a united Ireland, and let's face the fact that it's more likely to happen now compared to before, the loyalist groups would undoubtedly pose the largest threat, the UDA, UVF etc etc.

    In order to combat them we'd need a larger army which could involve conscription, the creation of an Air Force and the expansion of the Navy. Once that's happened, it's bye bye neutrality. Sorry lefties.

    Doesn't sound very united to me.


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  • #31
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    How many of these Islamist headbangers are there alleged to be in Ireland at this present moment?

    63,000 as of the 2016 Census. Not that many,but we shouldn't get complacent. One in Waterford was sentenced for sending money to ISIS.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/man-jailed-funding-islamic-state-4111114-Jul2018/


  • #32
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,922 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    I'm forced to agree.

    If there is a united Ireland, and let's face the fact that it's more likely to happen now compared to before, the loyalist groups would undoubtedly pose the largest threat, the UDA, UVF etc etc.

    In order to combat them we'd need a larger army which could involve conscription, the creation of an Air Force and the expansion of the Navy. Once that's happened, it's bye bye neutrality. Sorry lefties.

    Yes an enhanced Air Force and Navy is exactly whats needed to confront any guerrilla warfare launched by the loyalists


  • #33
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Yes an enhanced Air Force and Navy is exactly whats needed to confront any guerrilla warfare launched by the loyalists

    We'd definitely need more soldiers in the Army to combat them.


  • #34
    Mike Hoch
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 173 ✭✭Mike Hoch


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    Again, many people, myself included, would take issue with the Dundalk incident being called terrorism. It was clearly carried out by a mentally ill individual.

    Anyone committing violence in furtherance of the application to the legal and political system the ramblings of a 7th century alleged nonce repeating what he heard in a cave off a sky fairy is clearly a bit touched.

    It's the fact the government covered up this motivation that is the problem.

    We need a study of how common it was for people of Muslim heritage to attack random strangers with knives and vehicles prior to 2014, vs how common it was after 2014.

    Because I never heard of it happening before 2014, yet there seems to be a serious bout of non ISIS related mental illness since that date.


  • #35
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    63,000 as of the 2016 Census. Not that many,but we shouldn't get complacent. One in Waterford was sentenced for sending money to ISIS.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/man-jailed-funding-islamic-state-4111114-Jul2018/

    It identifies the headbangers or are you just tarring all followers of Islam with the one brush?


  • #36
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Briefly going back to the unionists, we need an enhanced Army with better equipment to put down an all-out conflict started by them. A police force mired with scandals and who aren't given a 9mm pistol or even bulletproof vests at the best of times will be useless against a full-fledged loyalist uprising, hence the deployment of the defence forces.

    Very similar to the deployment of the Brits to the Six Counties in the 60s and 70s.


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  • #37
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    Briefly going back to the unionists, we need an enhanced Army with better equipment to put down an all-out conflict started by them. A police force mired with scandals and who aren't given a 9mm pistol or even bulletproof vests at the best of times will be useless against a full-fledged loyalist uprising, hence the deployment of the defence forces.

    Very similar to the deployment of the Brits to the Six Counties in the 60s and 70s.

    We don't need an enhanced army or better equipment.


  • #38
    Jack Moore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Jack Moore


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

    Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

    I'm not talking about groups from the Six Counties here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

    After recent events, including in Westminster earlier which a man tried to kill a number of people by ramming a car into pedestrians.

    Many politicians and senior members of AGS have said that Ireland cannot be immune from terrorism, although an attack is very unlikely.

    I agree that a mass-casualty atrocity is more than likely not going to happen, but an incident like what happened in Westminster is very much an underlying possibility.

    An Islamist extremist attack here would more than likely come from someone who isn't actually a member of IS or another terrorist organisation, but would probably be inspired by their caused and radicalised, similar to recent attacks in Britain. A vehicle going down Grafton Street or O'Connell Street hitting and likely killing a number of people would be a plausible scenario. An attack similar to that in Manchester involving a bombing at a crowded venue is somewhat likely also.

    I won't blame it entirely on immigration, although it could play a part.

    In addition, I strongly doubt that the Gardaí could deal with such serious incidents like the scenarios above.

    So, do you think Ireland could be next?

    Oh sweet summer child (people say that a lot but it’s very poignant here)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing

    20 years ago tomorrow.


  • #39
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Chewbacca wrote: »
    We don't need an enhanced army or better equipment.

    AGS do. A 9mm pistol and better vehicles would be of benefit for all situations, but as usual calls for these are rejected.


  • #40
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Try_harder wrote: »
    It identifies the headbangers or are you just tarring all followers of Islam with the one brush?

    I'm just giving the amount currently in Ireland. If you want to assume anything that's on you.


  • #41
    Dank Janniels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    How can the op discuss the risk of a terror attack and not include the dissedent nationalist and loyalist groups? A bomb is a bomb!


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  • #42
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,276 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Jack Moore wrote: »
    Oh sweet summer child (people say that a lot but it’s very poignant here)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing

    20 years ago tomorrow.

    Ah f*ck. :(

    Horrible scummy event.

    Still remember the minutes silence in school during the one month anniversary.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #43
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    Briefly going back to the unionists, we need an enhanced Army with better equipment to put down an all-out conflict started by them. A police force mired with scandals and who aren't given a 9mm pistol or even bulletproof vests at the best of times will be useless against a full-fledged loyalist uprising, hence the deployment of the defence forces.

    Very similar to the deployment of the Brits to the Six Counties in the 60s and 70s.

    To make a truly united Ireland the invaders should all be sent back to where they came from. No need for any more war here.


  • #44
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    Dank Janniels wrote: »
    How can the op discuss the risk of a terror attack and not include the dissedent nationalist and loyalist groups? A bomb is a bomb!

    Islamist extremism is much more prevalent these days.

    If a united Ireland happens or a hard border occurs, then the threat from NI terrorists goes back up.


  • #45
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    To make a truly united Ireland the invaders should all be sent back to where they came from. No need for any more war here.

    I personally would be in support of issuing deportation orders to all hardline unionists to go back to their beloved UK, but I'm not sure if it would be possible.


  • #46
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    I'm just giving the amount currently in Ireland. If you want to assume anything that's on you.

    How many Islamic headbangers was the question, you gave an unqualified answer


  • #47
    PhoneMain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    They could whack the pope in the park that would be a headline grabber

    Normally people go beating the bishop in the park......


  • #48
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Why not? It's certainly a target for Islamic terrorism. Probably a matter of time with the increase in Muslim population.


  • #49
    Jeff Devoy
    Site Banned Posts: 37 ✭Jeff Devoy


    A tad bit irrelevant, but if Scotland gained independence from the UK I'd imagine there could be some loyalist terrorist organisations forming over there, the same type of people who would support Rangers etc.

    There's also the chance that they could collude with loyalist paramilitaries over here should there be a united Ireland.


  • #50
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They dangerous ones (the equivalent of the IRA Godfathers from the past), recruit really stupid ones to do the attacks. Those with criminal records and drug habits. There are just not enough of that sort around to pose a threat in Ireland.


  • #51
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Jeff Devoy wrote: »
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    To make a truly united Ireland the invaders should all be sent back to where they came from.  No need for any more war here.

    I personally would be in support of issuing deportation orders to all hardline unionists to go back to their beloved UK, but I'm not sure if it would be possible.

    :woot: Good luck with that, see what happens.


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