People on the dole for years

Ally Dick · 07-11-2018 12:00AM #1

I have often wondered how do some people do this? I know of a few people who have never worked to any degree, and they get money every week from the state. If this was job seekers allowance, they would be hounded into getting a job, and their money stopped if they didn't. So, is it illness benefit that they are on? And if so, is it the case that they can get a doctor to certify them unfit for work easily in some cases e.g. a phantom bad back, or phantom anxiety? Do you have to get re-certified by a doctor after a certain time period, or does it last for years?
I do accept that some people are genuinely unwell, but surely there are a few that are acting the mick? I'd be interested in hearing how they manage to pull it off

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 07-11-2018 12:04AM

Obligatory "oh no, not another dole bashing thread" post.

retalivity · 07-11-2018 12:05AM

Ah but if they share the secret we'd all be doing it!

Ally Dick · 07-11-2018 12:07AM

Rhett Plump Pantry wrote: »

Obligatory "oh no, not another dole bashing thread" post.

Not bashing. Just curiosity. How do they keep getting money, no questions asked?

CinemaGuy45 · 07-11-2018 12:11AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Not bashing. Just curiosity. How do they keep getting money, no questions asked?

The answer to the above is to ask the people you know below.

Ally Dick wrote: »

I know of a few people who have never worked to any degree, and they get money every week from the state.

That's it glad to have helped you OP.:P

Kolpe · 07-11-2018 12:13AM

Getting an income for having children needs to be addressed. Crazy the more children you have the richer you get.

nullzero · 07-11-2018 12:15AM

Kolpe wrote: »

Getting an income for having children needs to be addressed. Crazy the more children you have the richer you get.

The term is "childer"

riemann · 07-11-2018 12:20AM

nullzero wrote: »

The term is "childer"

*uneducated

Given the chance any young lady would prefer to better themselves and gain a purpose in life, as oposed to churning out kids. The problem lies in cultural norms.

Kolpe · 07-11-2018 12:22AM

Easier Open the legs that open ones mind to education.

Plumbthedepths · 07-11-2018 12:27AM

Ally Dick wrote:

Not bashing. Just curiosity. How do they keep getting money, no questions asked?

Basically there is a cohort of people who don't want to work and never will. The society we are part of have decided we will not let anyone starve to death. We will support them, now it is fair to question the level of support, but I wouldn't agree with letting them just p*ss off and die. I am gald we have a welfare system and I find it a comfort to know it is there if I find myself in need.
The level of support needs to be examined and a cap placed on benefits.

Ally Dick · 07-11-2018 12:29AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Basically there is a cohort of people who don't want to work and never will. The society we are part of have decided we will not let anyone starve to death. We will support them, now it is fair to question the level of support, but I wouldn't agree with letting them just p*ss off and die. I am gald we have a welfare system and I find it a comfort to know it is there if I find myself in need.
The level of support needs to be examined and a cap placed on benefits.

What support type keeps paying for years and years. Can't be job seekers allowance. Is it illness benefit?? That's all I am asking

CinemaGuy45 · 07-11-2018 12:31AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The level of support needs to be examined and a cap placed on benefits.

Yes, but people need somewhere for their horses.

nlrkjos · 07-11-2018 12:33AM

I recently offered a guy a job offshore Norway, a 2 week on 3 week off rotation, the 5 week shift after tax would put approx €5500 in his pocket... his first question to me was "could I sign on for the 3 weeks off !" this guy was a great welder and worked hard as long as i know him, but after 2 years on the dole he just could not accept going out to work when there was "free money+extras" on offer at home, after listening to his reasons, I wouldn't blame him...he'd lose medical card, rent supplement, and a few other benefits for the sake of a two years work, he reckoned it would take him years to get back to his current standard of living..he don't drink or smoke, married with two rugrats and in a council house. It makes ya wonder, are we fecken eejits to work (self esteem aside)!!!!!!

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 07-11-2018 12:33AM

God i love these threads

Plumbthedepths · 07-11-2018 12:34AM

Ally Dick wrote:

What support type keeps paying for years and years. Can't be job seekers allowance. Is it illness benefit?? That's all I am asking

JSA, eventhough it's obvious they aren't seeking work.

Plumbthedepths · 07-11-2018 12:34AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote:

Yes, but people need somewhere for their horses.

You shouldn't be able to afford a horse on the good grace of the taxpayer tbh.

07-11-2018 12:35AM

Kolpe wrote: »

Getting an income for having children needs to be addressed. Crazy the more children you have the richer you get.

I'm off to have another ten children then. I was under the clearly ridiculous notion that child benefit is only €140 per month per child and that each child is costing me slightly over €1,150 per month in créche fees at the moment. I can't believe the wife has been lying to me. Happy days; I can give up work and watch all that child benefit come in to cover the expense of raising a child.

Plumbthedepths · 07-11-2018 12:40AM

nlrkjos wrote:

I recently offered a guy a job offshore Norway, a 2 week on 3 week off rotation, the 5 week shift after tax would put approx â‚¬5500 in his pocket... his first question to me was "could I sign on for the 3 weeks off !" this guy was a great welder and worked hard as long as i know him, but after 2 years on the dole he just could not accept going out to work when there was "free money+extras" on offer at home, after listening to his reasons, I wouldn't blame him...he'd lose medical card, rent supplement, and a few other benefits for the sake of a two years work, he reckoned it would take him years to get back to his current standard of living..he don't drink or smoke, married with two rugrats and in a council house. It makes ya wonder, are we fecken eejits to work (self esteem aside)!!!!!!

Few issues with your post, your friend would keep the medical card for 3 years after he returns to work. There is no rent supplement when living in a council house as the rent is what's called differential rent, based on percentage of the weekly household income.

pgj2015 · 07-11-2018 12:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm off to have another ten children then. I was under the clearly ridiculous notion that child benefit is only €140 per month per child and that each child is costing me slightly over €1,150 per month in créche fees at the moment. I can't believe the wife has been lying to me. Happy days; I can give up work and watch all that child benefit come in to cover the expense of raising a child.

140 euro per month BUT they don't need to pay a creche as they are not working so can look after the kids themselves.

nlrkjos · 07-11-2018 12:48AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Few issues with your post, your friend would keep the medical card for 3 years after he returns to work. There is no rent supplement when living in a council house as the rent is what's called differential rent, based on percentage of the weekly household income.

Think the fact that he'd be working and paying tax outside EU was the reason he pulled out, I don't know about medical cards and rent supplement as I've never had either...just saying that his reasoning was pretty on the ball !

07-11-2018 12:49AM

Kolpe wrote: »

Getting an income for having children needs to be addressed. Crazy the more children you have the richer you get.

The richer you get. Jaysus you’re some boyo if you thinks that’s how children work. :pac:

Mrs OBumble · 07-11-2018 12:49AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

JSA, eventhough it's obvious they aren't seeking work.

There is a cohort in every society who are unemployable.

Possibly they should be on disability. Possibly they are low intelligence but not quite bad enough for disability. Possibly they just had really **** parents who taught them nothing sbout being contributing citizens.

Everyone in town knows they aren't fit for work and won't offer them a job. So even if they were looking, no one will employ them.

Welfare staff know this - and they know that if the dole is cut to them, the people will have no option but to turn completely to crime for an income. We don't want that.

Assetbacked · 07-11-2018 12:50AM

pgj2015 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm off to have another ten children then. I was under the clearly ridiculous notion that child benefit is only €140 per month per child and that each child is costing me slightly over €1,150 per month in créche fees at the moment. I can't believe the wife has been lying to me. Happy days; I can give up work and watch all that child benefit come in to cover the expense of raising a child.

140 euro per month BUT they don't need to pay a creche as they are not working so can look after the kids themselves.

Check and mate.

Plumbthedepths · 07-11-2018 12:50AM

nlrkjos wrote:

Think the fact that he'd be working and paying tax outside EU was the reason he pulled out, I don't know about medical cards and rent supplement as I've never had either...just saying that his reasoning was pretty on the ball !

There is no rent supplement in a council house as the rent is already substantially below market rates and he keeps the medical card for 3 years. So in fact his reasoning was not on the ball.

07-11-2018 12:52AM

pgj2015 wrote: »

140 euro per month BUT they don't need to pay a creche as they are not working so can look after the kids themselves.

Yeah cos the only expense to having children is crèche :rolleyes:

pgj2015 · 07-11-2018 12:56AM

Theodore Helpful RoughneckMGS wrote: »

Yeah cos the only expense to having children is crèche :rolleyes:

Fuaranach mentioned 1,150 euro creche fees per month, I was addressing that in my reply.

07-11-2018 12:57AM

pgj2015 wrote: »

Fuaranach mentioned 1,150 euro creche fees per month, I was addressing that in my reply.

That’s neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is no one is getting rich of bloody child benefit. It barley covers a baby food for a month never mind the extra expenses, clothes etc. It’s such a stupid thing to say I don’t even know where to begin.

Kolpe · 07-11-2018 12:59AM

Theodore Helpful RoughneckMGS wrote: »

Yeah cos the only expense to having children is crèche :rolleyes:

And becoming a subscriber. Look at me with my five pink stars and girlie avatar.

07-11-2018 01:02AM

Kolpe wrote: »

And becoming a subscriber. Look at me with my five pink stars and girlie avatar.

Rule number 1 of boards is attack the post not the poster. On the back of that,

Your post can **** off.

nlrkjos · 07-11-2018 01:03AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no rent supplement in a council house as the rent is already substantially below market rates and he keeps the medical card for 3 years. So in fact his reasoning was not on the ball.

but his rent would be tied to his earnings and would take time to re-adjust back to what he is paying, Norwegian healthcare is pretty good so he reckoned medical card would at the very least be questioned, as NAV and HSE share information.

Kolpe · 07-11-2018 01:05AM

Theodore Helpful RoughneckMGS wrote: »

Rule number 1 of boards is attack the post not the poster. On the back of that,

Your post can **** off.

:pac:

People on the dole for years

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