New Garda fleet

V8 Interceptor · 30-11-2018 04:17PM

Those CRDI engines are pretty decent though (for diesels).

baldshin · 30-11-2018 04:37PM

The Hyundai's are completely unsuitable for the task at hand. The Gardaí need cars that are designed and built to be police cars, with the ability to take abuse and be on the road for upwards of 20 hours a day 365 days a year. They also need priority service package whereby when a car is dropped to the garage it becomes the number one priority to be fixed and sent back out on the road. That's just not the way it is right now.

dense · 30-11-2018 05:15PM

road_high wrote: »

I reckon Hyundai must be giving them for half nothing to promote the brand here- people think if the Gardaí are using them then they must be very tough and robust. Because I don't know why you’d willingly pick an I30 over and above so many talented alternatives unless it was a lot cheaper

Hyundai won an open public tender to supply the vehicles to the required specifications.

The authorities got what they asked for and Hyundai can expect to benefit from being seen as manufacturing vehicles suitable for a police force, which is something many suppliers would like to be able to say in the showroom.

It would be normal for them to tender as low as possible for the public exposure that such a deal brings and possibly make up the shortfall from the service element.

As for their reliability, they're apparently now rated very highly.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2018/07/11/hyundai-is-most-reliable-car-brand-according-to-jd-power-survey

Del2005 · 30-11-2018 05:54PM

baldshin wrote: »

The Hyundai's are completely unsuitable for the task at hand. The Gardaí need cars that are designed and built to be police cars, with the ability to take abuse and be on the road for upwards of 20 hours a day 365 days a year. They also need priority service package whereby when a car is dropped to the garage it becomes the number one priority to be fixed and sent back out on the road. That's just not the way it is right now.

Yet they are suitable for the UK and Australian police. So apart from our Gardai being largely untrained drivers what's the other reason they aren't suitable?

dense · 30-11-2018 07:32PM

Del2005 wrote: »

Yet they are suitable for the UK and Australian police. So apart from our Gardai being largely untrained drivers what's the other reason they aren't suitable?

This is a special country so we need special police cars?

DaveyDave · 30-11-2018 07:38PM

Opinions of the cars aside, I thought they were moving back to Ford because of the reliability issues they had? I've seen people saying the cars are off the road for repairs a lot etc.

What's the reason for picking a small SUV over an estate?

dense · 30-11-2018 07:47PM

DaveyDave wrote: »

What's the reason for picking a small SUV over an estate?

Tougher and more macho looking, can handle all the months of snow we get each year and the cross country detail better too, and a much better centre of gravity, not.

V8 Interceptor · 30-11-2018 07:59PM

DaveyDave wrote: »

What's the reason for picking a small SUV over an estate?

Just going with the trend probably.

baldshin · 30-11-2018 08:16PM

Del2005 wrote: »

Yet they are suitable for the UK and Australian police. So apart from our Gardai being largely untrained drivers what's the other reason they aren't suitable?

This-

DaveyDave wrote: »

I thought they were moving back to Ford because of the reliability issues they had? I've seen people saying the cars are off the road for repairs a lot etc.

They are constantly off the road, a station with 2-3 cars can expect one of them to be in the garage at least once a fortnight, and can often take an age to have repaired.

road_high · 30-11-2018 08:37PM

Del2005 wrote: »

Yet they are suitable for the UK and Australian police. So apart from our Gardai being largely untrained drivers what's the other reason they aren't suitable?

I’m sure they’re equally ****e there too. It suits Hyundai as an up and coming maker to push their vehicles into police fleets as the advertising and PR perception is priceless for them to build up credibility.

Zubeneschamali · 30-11-2018 09:05PM

road_high wrote: »

It suits Hyundai as an up and coming maker to push their vehicles into police fleets as the advertising and PR perception is priceless for them to build up credibility.

Not so much if they are off the road in the garage all the time. Ireland is a small market, and word gets around.

bigroad · 30-11-2018 11:08PM

More helicopters are the way forward.
This craic at chasing criminals at 150mph is not good for anyone.
Also all Garda cars should be fitted with push bars.

dense · 01-12-2018 12:53AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Not so much if they are off the road in the garage all the time. Ireland is a small market, and word gets around.

Where's the evidence that shows them being "off the road and in the garage all the time"?

Have the garda authorities published this information anywhere, or is it just more anecdotal gossip that Joe Duffy would love?

tedpan · 01-12-2018 11:12AM

Vicxas wrote:

Q7's are the Armed Response Unit? No?

alexlyons wrote:

they are, water unit have a discovery as well

Definitely have seen at least one Traffic Corps Q7

Damien360 · 01-12-2018 07:36PM

tedpan wrote: »

Definitely have seen at least one Traffic Corps Q7

There is one in Newbridge and one in Castlebar. Both are armed Gardai. Not traffic Corp. They are for dealing with more serious criminals and were allocated to a various towns with bigger issues than unarmed Gardai could deal with.

Armed Response is a different unit out of Phoenix park and not sure where else. They deal with hostage situations and terrorism. (To answer Vicxas question)

billie1b · 01-12-2018 07:44PM

Damien360 wrote: »

There is one in Newbridge and one in Castlebar. Both are armed Gardai. Not traffic Corp. They are for dealing with more serious criminals and were allocated to a various towns with bigger issues than unarmed Gardai could deal with.

Armed Response is a different unit out of Phoenix park and not sure where else. They deal with hostage situations and terrorism. (To answer Vicxas question)

Blanchardstown have a Q7 and X5 in their traffic corps fleet, they also have both in the ERU units too

V8 Interceptor · 01-12-2018 09:42PM

Which European Country has the best "patrol" cars? By patrol car I mean their general day to day workhorse not their specialist vehicles.

ba_barabus · 01-12-2018 11:39PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Which European Country has the best "patrol" cars? By patrol car I mean their general day to day workhorse not their specialist vehicles.

They all have basic cars for tipping about. The Carabineriri in Italy have lovely Alfas with go faster stripes which look great. Coolest police cars I know.

sligojoek · 02-12-2018 12:59AM

A few weeks ago I was driving through Sligo when an unmarked 07 Focus came up behind me and hit the sirens and lights. Drove past me fairly lively and stayed going. A few days later I was having a pint with a detective and asked was it him. He said , "No. I never drive that car". I Asked, "Why not? Is it attached to another section?" He said "No. It's because it's a haype of shyte".

JCX BXC · 02-12-2018 01:21AM

Everytime that I read about gardaí and new vehicles on Facebook I find these sort of comments:

We shall have completely underfunded services while toolboxes like these manage to insist their opinions everywhere.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-12-2018 01:23AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Which European Country has the best "patrol" cars? By patrol car I mean their general day to day workhorse not their specialist vehicles.

I'd say Germany, lots of middle end BMW's and Mercs.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-12-2018 01:25AM

JCX BXC wrote: »

We shall have completely underfunded services while toolboxes like these manage to insist their opinions everywhere.

They are working harder and not smarter, IT is about 10 years plus behind the UK. Is the problem no funding or no union acceptance of new tech?

sligojoek · 02-12-2018 01:38AM

A friend of mine is on a panel of testers for a traffic corps in the UK. He's driven some serious machinery in his time and reckons if he had his way the police over there would drive nothing only Volvos.

Del2005 · 02-12-2018 01:41AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

. Is the problem no funding or no union acceptance of new tech?

The same as all our problems Government ineptitude, brought about by 5 year election cycles where no politician wants to sign off anything which takes longer than 3 years to implement.

We can keep throwing billions into the money pit of the HSE because its "good" news and instant "results", but we can't afford to properly police, defend or house our population because it'll take more than 5 years to fix the problems and no politician wants to have their project finished by someone else. Look at the Boris bikes in London introduce by Ken Livingston to see why nothing happens in our electrical systems.

tedpan · 02-12-2018 02:06AM

sligojoek wrote:

A friend of mine is on a panel of testers for a traffic corps in the UK. He's driven some serious machinery in his time and reckons if he had his way the police over there would drive nothing only Volvos.

A fleet of Geelys

sligojoek · 02-12-2018 02:26AM

What's a Geely?

California Dreamer · 02-12-2018 02:43AM

sligojoek wrote: »

What's a Geely?

I knew a Lee once.....never got to see her g.... :eek::cool::)

dense · 02-12-2018 03:42AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Which European Country has the best "patrol" cars?

Hard to say nowadays, they all look the same now with that stupid, but "edgy" Battenberg wrapping on them :pac:

God be with the days we had the more sedate looking navy-blue Cortinas and the white Vauxhall Victors for special duties.

Del2005 · 02-12-2018 08:49AM

sligojoek wrote: »

What's a Geely?

Volvos owners.

lawred2 · 02-12-2018 09:00AM

Del2005 wrote: »

The same as all our problems Government ineptitude, brought about by 5 year election cycles where no politician wants to sign off anything which takes longer than 3 years to implement.

We can keep throwing billions into the money pit of the HSE because its "good" news and instant "results", but we can't afford to properly police, defend or house our population because it'll take more than 5 years to fix the problems and no politician wants to have their project finished by someone else. Look at the Boris bikes in London introduce by Ken Livingston to see why nothing happens in our electrical systems.

Investment in the HSE delivers good news and instant results? Really?

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