What income could I get without stock?

n1st · 17-12-2018 10:40PM #1

I'm trying to figure out options for farming alternatives.

I've being reading about Glas scheme, the maximum is 7500 per annum.
Is there anything else available, without stock?

I'm interested in getting out of livestock and even farming yet keep the farm.

80sDiesel · 17-12-2018 11:24PM

n1st wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out options for farming alternatives.

I've being reading about Glas scheme, the maximum is 7500 per annum.
Is there anything else available, without stock?

I'm interested in getting out of livestock and even farming yet keep the farm.

Was thinking the same. Will be buying part inherited land and was initially intending to rent it out but don't want to be a landlord .

The GLAS scheme won't start again until 2021 but they might have more options and thus more income . With say the GLAS hay meadow scheme you still have the hay to sell at the end.

n1st · 18-12-2018 03:23PM

80sDiesel wrote: »

n1st wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out options for farming alternatives.

I've being reading about Glas scheme, the maximum is 7500 per annum.
Is there anything else available, without stock?

I'm interested in getting out of livestock and even farming yet keep the farm.

Was thinking the same. Will be buying part inherited land and was initially intending to rent it out but don't want to be a landlord .

The GLAS scheme won't start again until 2021 but they might have more options and thus more income . With say the GLAS hay meadow scheme you still have the hay to sell at the end.

Good to hear. I will also be inheriting but I'm neither a farmer or a landlord and have no interest in either. Nature however does interest me.

My father is already in Glas and I read yesterday that there are some add-ons which can provide additional income.

I'd be interested in hearing more and if there is a bigger scheme for a complete farm.

80sDiesel · 18-12-2018 11:24PM

n1st wrote: »

Good to hear. I will also be inheriting but I'm neither a farmer or a landlord and have no interest in either. Nature however does interest me.

My father is already in Glas and I read yesterday that there are some add-ons which can provide additional income.

I'd be interested in hearing more and if there is a bigger scheme for a complete farm.

In the future perhaps but I am guessing even if you fulfilled all the add-ons I can't see the next GLAS scheme exceeding 10.

If you have a section that is wet you could look to including a native forest. There are various scheme mixes.
https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/grants/establishment-grants/native-woodland-establishment/

n1st · 19-12-2018 01:37PM

There's also a hen harrier scheme in some areas http://www.henharrierproject.ie

Does a teagasc advisor have the complete list of available grants or do we have to research ourselves?

n1st · 19-12-2018 09:12PM

Now this would be idealhttps://iwt.ie/irish-wildlife-trust-calls-for-payments-to-be-made-to-farmers-for-not-farming/

n1st · 19-12-2018 09:12PM

Now this would be ideal https://iwt.ie/irish-wildlife-trust-calls-for-payments-to-be-made-to-farmers-for-not-farming/

Dinzee Conlee · 19-12-2018 09:22PM

n1st wrote: »

Now this would be ideal https://iwt.ie/irish-wildlife-trust-calls-for-payments-to-be-made-to-farmers-for-not-farming/

That’s from March this year... how far did the request get?

19-12-2018 11:00PM

Not trying to have a go or anything but does not sound realistic to be paid for having an asset such as a farm that is not being worked or creating produce of some description. Would that not be a bit like owning a hotel that is not doing any business but is expecting to be paid by the state anyway.

For REPS of the past and GLAS currently while you are paid for greening measures the measures themselves do equally require work/expenature. For example planting hedges. Materials costs is not insignificant and eats up much of these payments

Again not having a go and wish OP well in their endeavour

Muckit · 19-12-2018 11:34PM

Read the thread title again.

K.G. · 19-12-2018 11:39PM

there s a fella near us that i think takes on the slurry from a local pig farm and grows beet and sells bales.seems to be doing well

Nekarsulm · 20-12-2018 12:04AM

Lease it to some young fellow on a 5 year term. ( perhaps try him for one year first, see if he's suitable).

20-12-2018 08:18AM

How much land op ?

Id agree with nek. A 5 year lease to a good tennent would give the best income. There was a farm taken round here by a dairy farmer at 350 an acre.

Other option would be to make hay or silage off it and sell it.
Negatives are possibly needing machinery to do the work outside of contractors. Mow ted rake draw bales etc.
If there is no sale during the summer having somewhere to store bales like a haybarn.
There might be a surplus and the fodder may be nearly worthless. Ive seen lads sell bales of good silage for 10 to 15 a bale.
Another option is to sell cuts of silage off it

20-12-2018 08:38AM

Muckit wrote: »

Read the thread title again.

Post 3?

I'm neither a farmer or a landlord and have no interest in either. Nature however does interest me.

Private alternative enterprise maybe but would require full time commitment to get income. Novality veg. Permaculture training. School tours. Allotments. Pheasant rearing for gun clubs etc

n1st · 20-12-2018 09:15AM

I have thought about leasing, this was my first option but I'm also interested in nature.
My ideal solution in lesser income than leasing or growing of any kind and also reintroduce wildlife and vegetation, stuff that was there up until 30 years ago.

It's currently a green desert after beef and sheep farming.

I don't want to start a debate here but in my opinion part time farming is heavily subsidized and no one benefits, if I can get some financial subsidies and do some good I'd be better off

Nekarsulm · 20-12-2018 10:09AM

n1st wrote: »

I have thought about leasing, this was my first option but I'm also interested in nature.
My ideal solution in lesser income than leasing or growing of any kind and also reintroduce wildlife and vegetation, stuff that was there up until 30 years ago.

It's currently a green desert after beef and sheep farming.

I don't want to start a debate here but in my opinion part time farming is heavily subsidized and no one benefits, if I can get some financial subsidies and do some good I'd be better off

You needent lease it all, keep a portion as a kind of nature reserve/habitat.

Part time farming is heavily subsidized by the farmers full-time job.....
Not much difference in receiving a payment to produce food off land, and receiving a payment for looking at it....

ros260 · 24-12-2018 11:54AM

Do glas payments not require you to have a minimum stocking rate?

Water John · 24-12-2018 12:21PM

Most schemes do but its low, something like 0.15/Ha. Could be wrong on that.
Not sure what range of animals count, donkeys, alpaca?
See some one with 5 donkeys, I'd say they'd be claiming stocking rate.
Since OP seems to be looking at wildlife sanctuary type development. Thought there was a scheme where you set trees interpersed on grassland?

80sDiesel · 24-12-2018 06:11PM

ros260 wrote: »

Do glas payments not require you to have a minimum stocking rate?

I dont think so. I haven't read that anywhere.

Water John · 24-12-2018 06:24PM

I think Glas is an addendum to the BPS which has a min stocking rate, unless you're completely tillage.

mayota · 24-12-2018 10:35PM

Water John wrote: »

I think Glas is an addendum to the BPS which has a min stocking rate, unless you're completely tillage.

I thought it was only the anc that had minimum stocking rate? You need cattle to get the fencing of watercourses payment in Glas but not for the other actions.

Albert Johnson · 24-12-2018 10:47PM

I'm not able to comment on what payments would be available without stock or indeed any real farming activity.
I would however be afraid that the land would quickly go to rack and ruin without some sort of managerial input. I understand that a rustic and natural environment may be what you are aiming for but that may not be the outcome that is achieved.
As regards stocking rate a few mare donkeys with passports would qualify as livestock units while being reasonably low maintenance. They would help keep the land and flora in check if they were rotationally grazed while also providing a bit of an interest outside of the daily grind.
Grassland isn't the natural land cover of the majority of this island, deciduous woodland is so be aware that most land if left unattended will eventually revert to the above.

pablo128 · 25-12-2018 06:36PM

You might laugh but you will make money.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ifa-cannabis-farm-simon-harris-4411551-Dec2018/

Young95 · 25-12-2018 06:48PM

Could u not just plant some of it with broadleaf species. Ul get paid your forestry payments and wildlife will thrive

Say my name · 25-12-2018 07:34PM

pablo128 wrote: »

You might laugh but you will make money.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ifa-cannabis-farm-simon-harris-4411551-Dec2018/

There was a piece on Countryfile on BBC 1 about such an operation in England.
It was grown in a former tomato growing glasshouse. Heat was piped into the glasshouse from a sugar factory next door.

Waffletraktor · 25-12-2018 08:18PM

Say my name wrote: »

pablo128 wrote: »

You might laugh but you will make money.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ifa-cannabis-farm-simon-harris-4411551-Dec2018/

There was a piece on Countryfile on BBC 1 about such an operation in England.
It was grown in a former tomato growing glasshouse. Heat was piped into the glasshouse from a sugar factory next door.

It's at wissy (wissington) in Norfolk near the fens.

coolshannagh28 · 26-12-2018 12:49PM

https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/grants/establishment-grants/agroforestry/

Water John · 26-12-2018 12:53PM

Cool, thanks for that, knew it in the back of my head. BTW Shropshire sheep won't nibble at the bark, handy for this type of project.

What income could I get without stock?

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