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There are so many big words that I don't know the meaning of!

  • 10-07-2019 11:54AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Problem Of Motivation


    I've been making a list of fancy words that I come across for the last five years or so. Whenever I hear, or read, a new word I try and document it. I can say this much, there's a bloody lot of adjectives in the English language... a ridiculous amount. And I'm unfamiliar with a lot! You'd be surprised at how many words you won't understand if you closely follow the dialogue of TV shows. The notepad document that I have of these words is huge at this stage.

    After all my effort to make a list of big words, I still mostly find it hard to use any of these words without looking like I'm deliberately trying to show off. But yet each time I first hear these words in use, it never sounds like the person in question is trying to show off. It seems to come naturally to them. Now of course having heard such a words, I begin to notice them in use more often.

    When I'd inquire about many such words, I often realise that I would be more familiar with their use in different forms. For example, 'contrite' seemed like a new word to me. But I wouldn't have realised that it came from the word 'contrition'. Also, I didn't realise that 'libidinous' came from 'libido'. But I mean who actually says 'libidinous'? I heard it on a TV show.

    Having went through my list of big word, I realised that there is often many fancy words that mean the same thing. For example, 'sophistry' and 'fallacious' mean the same thing. 'Parity' means equality. So why would I ever say parity if I can just say equality? Why would I ever say 'hubris' when I can just say 'pride', unless I'm trying to show off. Now I can understand why someone would use a big word like 'subterfuge'... because it will often hit the nail on the head for what one is trying to describe, and I don't think there is another word for it. But in most cases it seems as if there is a huge amount of redundant words. Another thing I realise is that you tend to come across even weirder words when you are reading! Do journalists get a bit more cocky with their vocabulary when they put pen to paper?

    After I look up a big word that I've come across, I mightn't hear it until a year or so later, and when I do it's kind of annoying because I usually end up having the thought of "what did that mean again?". Then I'll go to look it up again, and the cycle repeats. You end up associating a word as being the big scary word that you can't understand the meaning of of. So I can never really see myself hearing such words so often that I'd actually be inclined to use them myself, then maybe there's no point in trying to understand the.

    It can be quite funny when you use big words to people of authority, and you get to watch them pretend that they know what it means when you know that they don't. It does make me wonder, that for people with such a wide range of vocabulary, they must be able to filter out the use of such words depending on the person they're are interacting with.

    Below is a list of some words that I consider to be, or once considered to be, unusual:

    syllogism reprehensible euphemism subterfuge draconian verbose undulate irreverent diatribe banal insular deference duplicitous purport stipulate dubious rescind demote virile indictment pertain gregarious gambit tenable fortuitous platitude incumbent hubris conceit curtail

    Here is a list of words that you can expect to be beaten up for using!:

    bloviate trepidation malefaction extol salient enigmatic lionize amity irate litigious omnipotent preterite altruistic languish harangue verboten admonish verbatim immure recalcitrant succor dilapidate


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  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's called a dictionary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭Allinall


    You are indubitably discombobulated, OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,766 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    You need to listen to Pat Kenny. He uses all of that first list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,323 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I am in complete agreement


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Your effort to embiggen your vocabulary is admirable. They are perfectly cromulent words for use in everyday conversation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Some of those words have slightly different, perhaps even nuanced, meanings.

    When writing, it can be useful to use one word which conveys your meaning precisely. Others used to be important, but as society changes, so does the need to use certain words.

    Hubris used to be quite an important word. It was a serious crime in Ancient Greece.

    "The cause of the pleasure for those committing hubris is that by harming people, they think themselves superior;" (My bold)

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-3172

    Hubris is used interchangeably with pride today - this is inaccurate.

    As language, and society/culture etc evolve so too does language - maybe not always for the better.

    Alternatively, you could say that language, and jargon e.g. "legal-ese" are/were used to exclude others and this is not inclusive. So perhaps using less wordy language is more equitable and fair................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,776 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    kneemos wrote: »
    You need to listen to Pat Kenny. He uses all of that first list.

    Remarkable. He really does.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭Conor Bourke


    Ever do a crossword, OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Force Carrier


    Sophistry and fallacious do not mean the same thing. Not even close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,036 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Why would I ever say 'hubris' when I can just say 'pride'.
    These mean different things.


    I'm editing a research paper at the moment which seems like its authors wrote it with a thesaurus in one hand :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,776 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    What's the word that sounds like it means something good, but actually means something bad?

    It's something like fulsome, but isn't that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭FFred


    Thanks for the plethora of words OP.
    It means a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Sophistry and fallacious do not mean the same thing. Not even close.
    Very close.

    Sophistry is the use of fallacious argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    Totes, fo shizzle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Plopsu


    Very close.

    Sophistry is the use of fallacious argument.

    Driving is the use of a car but driving and car do not mean the same thing :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    Blackadder: "I shall return before you can say antidisestablishmentarianism"

    Prince George: "Auntie distinctly minty......"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


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    Very close.

    Sophistry is the use of fallacious argument.
    For starters, 'sophistry' is a noun and 'fallacious' is an adjective, and you can be fallacious without resorting to sophistry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Words, eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Remarkable. He really does.

    ... and that was just his Toy Show intro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭buckwheat


    May I offer you my most sincere contifibularities.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    I always thought bashful sounds more like the opposite of what it means. For me it always conjures images of someone skipping in to a room full of confidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Two words may be synonyms for each other, but there can be nuances in meaning which make one word more appropriate than another given a particular context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    buckwheat wrote: »
    May I offer you my most sincere contifibularities.

    Contrafibularities! I am flabbergasted by this vitiation of the classical work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    one grunt for yes, two grunts for no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus



    Here is a list of words that you can expect to be beaten up for using!:

    bloviate trepidation malefaction extol salient enigmatic lionize amity irate litigious omnipotent preterite altruistic languish harangue verboten admonish verbatim immure recalcitrant succor dilapidate

    Why is verboten verboten?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    buckwheat wrote: »
    May I offer you my most sincere contifibularities.

    I shall return interfrastically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,323 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    from my favourite episode of Blackadder the Third


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Problem Of Motivation


    Why is verboten verboten?
    What do you mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    blindsider wrote: »
    Some of those words have slightly different, perhaps even nuanced, meanings.

    Totally agreed. Dictionary definitions are useful but to use one example from the OP, sophistry is almost always used in the sense of the first definition given when you search it in Google:

    "the use of clever but false arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving."

    It's almost never used in the second sense:

    "a fallacious argument"

    Though personally I don't think sophistry is any more unusual a word than fallacious.

    In any event, where you have two words that do mean the same thing it's good practise to favour the more common one.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Problem Of Motivation


    prevaricate


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