Changes in the GAA - super thread

threeball · 23-07-2019 12:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

gaffer91 wrote: »

This thread seems to have turned into a bit of back- slapping session for the Dublin fans.

There's a tendency among the Dubs who claim the current championship is a level playing field to try to deny and obfuscate and lead things off on tangents. It's important to just bring things back to basics and narrow the argument down to the key facts which are as follows:

1. Dublin are over- funded relative to every other county. This funding helps them to win games and titles they wouldn't otherwise win.

2. The games development funding does help the senior side- people age so money spent 15 years ago on development squads etc can be considered a down payment for today. Even if it was only spent on getting the foreigners to play to the game as some people would like us to believe (it isn't), the extra central funding saves Dublin from having to spend their own money on this. Therefore freeing up more funds to spend on their senior sides.

3. Even accounting for the central funding, Dublin get millions more from their sponsorship partners and from the government - People don't even contest this is true but instead try to claim you're as red as Lenin for saying this should be shared for all counties and the GAA to benefit.

4. Dublin have other advantages as well- most obviously population and playing all consequential games at home. Just because they historically did not take full value from these advantages doesn't mean they weren't unfair.

5. Dublin's success is not down to volunteerism or a "golden generation" or any other nonsense.

This thread is never ending but these are most of the key facts. It's not fair and there is definitely an asterisk beside Dublin's victories.

Before we deal with those points, can we agree that there are the top-ten take-aways from this thread?

1. Aslan are responsible for the success of the Dublin team

2. Dublin would be better off playing in a non-existent competition called the Railway Cup

3. Stephen O'Brien would walk onto the Dublin team (along with several hundred others)

4. Players should organise a boycott of games

5. Fans should boycott games involving Dublin

6. Johnny Cooper is a run-of-the-mill player

7. Only Dublin players can do strength and conditioning training

8. Lads in the pub on All-Ireland night agree that Dublin are engaged in financial doping

9. Ewan McKenna is a sage

10. Jim Gavin says in private that Dublin have all the advantages

Listen, you've already admitted the investing money at underage yields nothing and investing heavily in development squads is where it's at. Don't bother back tracking now.

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 12:41PM

threeball wrote: »

So because a player happens to be in a team that's not performing very well he isn't as good as a player who has the luxury of having a team around him that are?
I suppose Gary Brennan, Shane Walsh, Brian Hurley, Daniel Flynn wouldn't kick snow off a rope either.

Stephen O'Brien plays for Kerry, not even in the top three forwards they have, yet you think he would walk onto the Dublin team. That is a joke. Bernard Brogan scored more from play in one season than he has in his whole career.

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 12:48PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

This thread seems to have turned into a bit of back- slapping session for the Dublin fans.

There's a tendency among the Dubs who claim the current championship is a level playing field to try to deny and obfuscate and lead things off on tangents. It's important to just bring things back to basics and narrow the argument down to the key facts which are as follows:

1. Dublin are over- funded relative to every other county. This funding helps them to win games and titles they wouldn't otherwise win.

2. The games development funding does help the senior side- people age so money spent 15 years ago on development squads etc can be considered a down payment for today. Even if it was only spent on getting the foreigners to play to the game as some people would like us to believe (it isn't), the extra central funding saves Dublin from having to spend their own money on this. Therefore freeing up more funds to spend on their senior sides.

3. Even accounting for the central funding, Dublin get millions more from their sponsorship partners and from the government - People don't even contest this is true but instead try to claim you're as red as Lenin for saying this should be shared for all counties and the GAA to benefit.

4. Dublin have other advantages as well- most obviously population and playing all consequential games at home. Just because they historically did not take full value from these advantages doesn't mean they weren't unfair.

5. Dublin's success is not down to volunteerism or a "golden generation" or any other nonsense.

This thread is never ending but these are most of the key facts. It's not fair and there is definitely an asterisk beside Dublin's victories.

Just waiting for someone to ask "What about Kilkenny?" in response now and we can start the process again.

Going statistically the back slapping is being won 8-5 by the anti Dub brigade. Just saying.

EICVD · 23-07-2019 12:53PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

This thread seems to have turned into a bit of back- slapping session for the Dublin fans.

There's a tendency among the Dubs who claim the current championship is a level playing field to try to deny and obfuscate and lead things off on tangents. It's important to just bring things back to basics and narrow the argument down to the key facts which are as follows:

1. Dublin are over- funded relative to every other county. This funding helps them to win games and titles they wouldn't otherwise win.

2. The games development funding does help the senior side- people age so money spent 15 years ago on development squads etc can be considered a down payment for today. Even if it was only spent on getting the foreigners to play to the game as some people would like us to believe (it isn't), the extra central funding saves Dublin from having to spend their own money on this. Therefore freeing up more funds to spend on their senior sides.

3. Even accounting for the central funding, Dublin get millions more from their sponsorship partners and from the government - People don't even contest this is true but instead try to claim you're as red as Lenin for saying this should be shared for all counties and the GAA to benefit.

4. Dublin have other advantages as well- most obviously population and playing all consequential games at home. Just because they historically did not take full value from these advantages doesn't mean they weren't unfair.

5. Dublin's success is not down to volunteerism or a "golden generation" or any other nonsense.

This thread is never ending but these are most of the key facts. It's not fair and there is definitely an asterisk beside Dublin's victories.

Just waiting for someone to ask "What about Kilkenny?" in response now and we can start the process again.

Do people not realize that’s it all this BS & begrudging why we’ll never get bored hammering teams. Seeing how upset everyone gets after a Dublin, great fun

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 12:54PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Going statistically the back slapping is being won 8-5 by the anti Dub brigade. Just saying.

The Dubs will empty the bench in a minute and turn that around.

gaffer91 · 23-07-2019 01:12PM

EICVD wrote: »

Do people not realize that’s it all this BS & begrudging why we’ll never get bored hammering teams. Seeing how upset everyone gets after a Dublin, great fun

It's not though? It's all completely true. Honestly, it's amazing people will try to deny what is so blatantly obvious.

bruschi · 23-07-2019 01:22PM

kilns wrote: »

I physically looked at the games who played, take their date of birth and then calculated it.

You cannot discount the goalkeeper because he conviently he is Cluxton and therefore the oldest in the team and therefore enabling to manipulate the statistics. The goalkeeping position has evolved alot from a guy just standing between the goals. If you want an even more accurate data sample, you would eliminate the oldest and youngest from each group and the average age actually remains more or less the same

You can say Dublin have some excellent under 20 players but can you guarantee they will come through and be equals or surpass some of the current players, on that basis Kerry should wipe the floor clear with everyone for the next 5 years

ok, just for arguments sake then that the whole team stays the same, but Cluxton retires, one position which is not beyond the realms of possibility that he retires. Put in Evan Comerford and keep the team the very same as the Leinster final, the average age goes from 26.7 to 26.6.

So despite that, leave out Cluxton or the goalkeeper issue. The ages still do not show some huge drop over the years. It has remained entirely consistent. Forget the keeper issue and look at the whole thing.

I can no more guarantee that the U20s coming in will keep things progressing than you can claim they are going to drop off next year. both items are speculation.

However what is clear is that the average age of the team and squad for each winning team since 2011 has not deviated greatly despite what is seen as a core group or an ageing group. It has consistently regenerated each year with replacements and the current age profile of the team is not high, it ranks 4th out of 7 AI winning teams (assuming they win this year). so the current age profile is slap bang in the middle of the average age of 7 teams. It proves little, other than the team is not ageing greatly or about to drop off a cliff.

Also to add, who I would regard as the core group of players on the team now are all in that bracket of 24-27. The older players due to retire or move on are not key figures any more.

This is not a dig or negative aspect on Dublin, moreso there is no reason to believe the team is old and this once in a generation team is on the way out. Quite the contrary, there is no signs of this once in a generation team, spanning 8 years, is going to relinquish its dominance easily as it seamlessly removes and adds players every year.

dunnerc · 23-07-2019 01:25PM

This thread seems to have turned into a bit of back- slapping session for the Dublin fans.

Are you for real ? surely you mean the thread has turned into back-slapping for the anti Dublin mob !!

kilns · 23-07-2019 01:34PM

bruschi wrote: »

ok, just for arguments sake then that the whole team stays the same, but Cluxton retires, one position which is not beyond the realms of possibility that he retires. Put in Evan Comerford and keep the team the very same as the Leinster final, the average age goes from 26.7 to 26.6.

So despite that, leave out Cluxton or the goalkeeper issue. The ages still do not show some huge drop over the years. It has remained entirely consistent. Forget the keeper issue and look at the whole thing.

I can no more guarantee that the U20s coming in will keep things progressing than you can claim they are going to drop off next year. both items are speculation.

However what is clear is that the average age of the team and squad for each winning team since 2011 has not deviated greatly despite what is seen as a core group or an ageing group. It has consistently regenerated each year with replacements and the current age profile of the team is not high, it ranks 4th out of 7 AI winning teams (assuming they win this year). so the current age profile is slap bang in the middle of the average age of 7 teams. It proves little, other than the team is not ageing greatly or about to drop off a cliff.

Also to add, who I would regard as the core group of players on the team now are all in that bracket of 24-27. The older players due to retire or move on are not key figures any more.

This is not a dig or negative aspect on Dublin, moreso there is no reason to believe the team is old and this once in a generation team is on the way out. Quite the contrary, there is no signs of this once in a generation team, spanning 8 years, is going to relinquish its dominance easily as it seamlessly removes and adds players every year.

And what if Paddy Small and Brian Howard are injured and are replaced by Connolly and Brogan. Its all what ifs, Cluxton is there, Paddy Small is there, you have to deal with the data which is in front of you

I am saying according to statistics, a drop off is due, some may defy statistics but age catches up with everyone eventually

So you have one defender, one midfielder and three forwards as the core of the team and dont consider Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock as key figures, sure fair enough :rolleyes:

Tell me who in the last even 2 years have broken through to come on to replace and are equals to Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock ?

bruschi · 23-07-2019 02:31PM

kilns wrote: »

And what if Paddy Small and Brian Howard are injured and are replaced by Connolly and Brogan. Its all what ifs, Cluxton is there, Paddy Small is there, you have to deal with the data which is in front of you

I am saying according to statistics, a drop off is due, some may defy statistics but age catches up with everyone eventually

So you have one defender, one midfielder and three forwards as the core of the team and dont consider Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock as key figures, sure fair enough :rolleyes:

Tell me who in the last even 2 years have broken through to come on to replace and are equals to Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock ?

I'm not getting into the rest of it, because it is all opinion, but the statistics is a matter of fact. For each and everyone of Dublins All Ireland win since 2011, their average age has never been over 27.5, the oldest being 2016. If a team has been on the go for 8 years and predicting them to fall off a cliff with age catching up, then you would expect the age to increase somewhat. but it hasnt. There are no statistics out there to show that the age profile is increasing each year on this team drastically. Quite the contrary. It has been consistently around the same mark, showing that they replace older players with younger players. And quite obviously, their overall results are not diminishing either.

I would take 8 years of a successful team stats more so than a guess that there will be a drop off. They are showing zero signs of regressing and I do not see any reason why they cannot keep this progression going.

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 02:32PM

kilns wrote: »

And what if Paddy Small and Brian Howard are injured and are replaced by Connolly and Brogan. Its all what ifs, Cluxton is there, Paddy Small is there, you have to deal with the data which is in front of you

I am saying according to statistics, a drop off is due, some may defy statistics but age catches up with everyone eventually

So you have one defender, one midfielder and three forwards as the core of the team and dont consider Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock as key figures, sure fair enough :rolleyes:

Tell me who in the last even 2 years have broken through to come on to replace and are equals to Cluxton, McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan and Rock ?

The key problem in comparing age is that people are only looking at the starting 15.

Football is no longer a 15-man game, you need a 26-man squad. When you look at the 26-man squad, with the likes of Daly, Brogan, Connolly, O'Gara, Andrews etc. taking up spaces on the bench, there is no doubt that the average age of the squad has increased.

There will be no problem for Dublin in three years time putting out a 15-man team with a decent average age - Comerford, Byrne, Cooper, Murchan, McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny, Scully, Costello, Rock, Mannion and O'Callaghan - but beyond that 15, there is nothing coming through. Lads like McHugh, O'Conghaile, Carthy etc. haven't shown themselves to be good enough. The older lads will be gone and Dublin will be there for the taking.

Hammer Archer · 23-07-2019 02:57PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The key problem in comparing age is that people are only looking at the starting 15.

Football is no longer a 15-man game, you need a 26-man squad. When you look at the 26-man squad, with the likes of Daly, Brogan, Connolly, O'Gara, Andrews etc. taking up spaces on the bench, there is no doubt that the average age of the squad has increased.

There will be no problem for Dublin in three years time putting out a 15-man team with a decent average age - Comerford, Byrne, Cooper, Murchan, McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny, Scully, Costello, Rock, Mannion and O'Callaghan - but beyond that 15, there is nothing coming through. Lads like McHugh, O'Conghaile, Carthy etc. haven't shown themselves to be good enough. The older lads will be gone and Dublin will be there for the taking.

Basquel? Archer? I'm sure there are others. Dublin won the U21 football championship in 2017. They're joint favourites to win this year's U20 All Ireland. To try and say that there's nothing coming through is very disingenuous to be fair.

StupidLikeAFox · 23-07-2019 03:08PM

It's sad that this whole thread has turned into a schoolyard bun fight.

Dublin as a whole have got, and continue to get, a serious leg up from central HQ, over and above any other county. I don't think anybody has disputed that yet, Dublin or otherwise, but it's probably easier to call me a thick, begrudging culchie or talk about some other nonsense than acknowledge the point.

StupidLikeAFox · 23-07-2019 03:09PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Before we deal with those points, can we agree that there are the top-ten take-aways from this thread?

1. Aslan are responsible for the success of the Dublin team

2. Dublin would be better off playing in a non-existent competition called the Railway Cup

3. Stephen O'Brien would walk onto the Dublin team (along with several hundred others)

4. Players should organise a boycott of games

5. Fans should boycott games involving Dublin

6. Johnny Cooper is a run-of-the-mill player

7. Only Dublin players can do strength and conditioning training

8. Lads in the pub on All-Ireland night agree that Dublin are engaged in financial doping

9. Ewan McKenna is a sage

10. Jim Gavin says in private that Dublin have all the advantages

Why are you focussing on all the nonsense that has been spouted and ignoring the sensible points that have been made in the post you quoted?

kilns · 23-07-2019 03:12PM

bruschi wrote: »

I'm not getting into the rest of it, because it is all opinion, but the statistics is a matter of fact. For each and everyone of Dublins All Ireland win since 2011, their average age has never been over 27.5, the oldest being 2016. If a team has been on the go for 8 years and predicting them to fall off a cliff with age catching up, then you would expect the age to increase somewhat. but it hasnt. There are no statistics out there to show that the age profile is increasing each year on this team drastically. Quite the contrary. It has been consistently around the same mark, showing that they replace older players with younger players. And quite obviously, their overall results are not diminishing either.

I would take 8 years of a successful team stats more so than a guess that there will be a drop off. They are showing zero signs of regressing and I do not see any reason why they cannot keep this progression going.

You are not getting what I am saying, if the same group of players are competing next year their average age will increase to above 28 indicated their levels will drop, that may be still good for other teams but it indicates it will drop and there is no indication that all of a sudden, the group of players in their late 20s early 30s have ready made replacements or else you would have seen these guys get game time as Gavin has no problem putting guys in

Even if you discount the average age, you currently have Cluxton at 37 and Fitzsimons, McMahon, Cooper, O´Sullivan, McCarthy, McAuley and Rock all 29+ , they are all integral to Dublin and will be another year older with no obvious replacements of the same standard coming through the senior squad, especially in defence, do you think Dublin will be so far ahead with inferior players to these replacing them in the squad?

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 03:16PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Basquel? Archer? I'm sure there are others. Dublin won the U21 football championship in 2017. They're joint favourites to win this year's U20 All Ireland. To try and say that there's nothing coming through is very disingenuous to be fair.

The 2017 team had Comerford, Howard, O'Callaghan and Murchan, all of whom I have mentioned as likely to be on the 15 in three years time.

Various others have been tried - O'Shea, McMahon, Bugler, Basquel, Gavin and McGowan - but none of them have been able to squeeze past aging veterans like Brogan and Daly for a place in the squad. Neither have they impressed me to date. Darren Gavin is an out-and-out midfielder, but we are going with five forwards and five backs and no midfielders on the bench at the moment, even though McAuley is a veteran. Paddy Small might be the only long-term addition to the above four.

Out of this year's crew, possibly Archer, possibly nobody, they have only won a Leinster so far. Apart from Sean Bugler who was also on the 2017 team, none of the 2018 Under-20 team got a run-out in the League and aren't anywhere near the team.

LuckyLloyd · 23-07-2019 03:25PM

This whole thread stems from Dublin establishing themselves on the pitch as the greatest team of all time and the rest of Ireland looking for something, anything to try and detract from that reality. Invent asterisks in your own mind if it makes you feel better, it doesn’t diminish the history being made on the pitch.

LuckyLloyd · 23-07-2019 03:28PM

kilns wrote: »

You are not getting what I am saying, if the same group of players are competing next year their average age will increase to above 28 indicated their levels will drop, that may be still good for other teams but it indicates it will drop and there is no indication that all of a sudden, the group of players in their late 20s early 30s have ready made replacements or else you would have seen these guys get game time as Gavin has no problem putting guys in

Even if you discount the average age, you currently have Cluxton at 37 and Fitzsimons, McMahon, Cooper, O´Sullivan, McCarthy, McAuley and Rock all 29+ , they are all integral to Dublin and will be another year older with no obvious replacements of the same standard coming through the senior squad, especially in defence, do you think Dublin will be so far ahead with inferior players to these replacing them in the squad?

Plus the hunger will be gone for the older players.

Any rational observer can see that Dublin’s reign is on borrowed time. The talk of 10 in a row is completely silly.

gaffer91 · 23-07-2019 03:35PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This whole thread stems from Dublin establishing themselves on the pitch as the greatest team of all time and the rest of Ireland looking for something, anything to try and detract from that reality. Invent asterisks in your own mind if it makes you feel better, it doesn’t diminish the history being made on the pitch.

The reality is in the post I made a few hours ago. Kilkenny and the Kerry team of the 1980s were disliked by neutrals because of their dominance, but no-one could dispute they were deserving champions who won fairly on a level playing field.

You absolutely can dispute it about this Dublin side. This is why people outside the county have much less respect for this Dublin side's achievements. Their achievements are completely diminished by these facts.

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 03:36PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

The reality is in the post I made a few hours ago. Kilkenny and the Kerry team of the 1980s were disliked by neutrals because of their dominance, but no-one could dispute they were deserving champions who won fairly on a level playing field.

You absolutely can dispute it about this Dublin side. This is why people outside the county have much less respect for this Dublin side's achievements. Their achievements are completely diminished by these facts.

There were similar slurs thrown at the Kerry side for being almost professional. You obviously weren't around then.

gaffer91 · 23-07-2019 03:40PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There were similar slurs thrown at the Kerry side for being almost professional. You obviously weren't around then.

It was before my time alright but I did read Micko's autobiography and other pieces relating to that time. Incomparable to the financially loaded Dublin juggernaut of today.

Did they play all their finals in Fitzgerald's stadium too? (Austin Stack park being their home venue)

bruschi · 23-07-2019 03:42PM

kilns wrote: »

You are not getting what I am saying, if the same group of players are competing next year their average age will increase to above 28 indicated their levels will drop, that may be still good for other teams but it indicates it will drop and there is no indication that all of a sudden, the group of players in their late 20s early 30s have ready made replacements or else you would have seen these guys get game time as Gavin has no problem putting guys in

Even if you discount the average age, you currently have Cluxton at 37 and Fitzsimons, McMahon, Cooper, O´Sullivan, McCarthy, McAuley and Rock all 29+ , they are all integral to Dublin and will be another year older with no obvious replacements of the same standard coming through the senior squad, especially in defence, do you think Dublin will be so far ahead with inferior players to these replacing them in the squad?

I hear your point, but you are going on guesswork that there is a cliff they will drop off or that they are irreplaceable.

Also, take a look at how Gavin brings players in. They arent parachuted in from U20 usually. They spend a year or 2 knocking about the fringes of the squad, then more game time and any starting player usually breaks through around 24. This has been his template with Costelloe, Scully, Mannion, McMahon, Rock etc. None of those guys came straight in. Others have done, McCaffrey, Kilkenny etc, so there is room for developing players and building them up slow and also for being able to bring them in straight away. Its a luxury to have by having such a strong squad and depth of panel.

Either way, it is complete speculation to say the players will drop off form next year. It is also complete speculation to say the U20s coming up will break through and take their positions.

However, the one thing that is absolutely true, is that for the past 8 years, the team average age has not changed much and that the team has managed to keep rotating its squad and playing members without losing any quality at all. That to me says more than speculation of them getting worse, there is no stat or reason to show they cant keep doing that.

And on a quick opinion comment, Rock, MDMA and McMahon are not in my opinion integral to Dublin. I think all of them are and have been easily replaced. All great at their peak, but other players are as good now and surpassed. I also think O Sullivan and Fitzsimons too are not the influence they were, but its impossible to judge with them having zero challenges this year. All leaving at the same time would be a blow, but I dont expect that to happen either. Replacing gradually can be done without any negative effect.

kilns · 23-07-2019 03:54PM

bruschi wrote: »

I hear your point, but you are going on guesswork that there is a cliff they will drop off or that they are irreplaceable.

Also, take a look at how Gavin brings players in. They arent parachuted in from U20 usually. They spend a year or 2 knocking about the fringes of the squad, then more game time and any starting player usually breaks through around 24. This has been his template with Costelloe, Scully, Mannion, McMahon, Rock etc. None of those guys came straight in. Others have done, McCaffrey, Kilkenny etc, so there is room for developing players and building them up slow and also for being able to bring them in straight away. Its a luxury to have by having such a strong squad and depth of panel.

Either way, it is complete speculation to say the players will drop off form next year. It is also complete speculation to say the U20s coming up will break through and take their positions.

However, the one thing that is absolutely true, is that for the past 8 years, the team average age has not changed much and that the team has managed to keep rotating its squad and playing members without losing any quality at all. That to me says more than speculation of them getting worse, there is no stat or reason to show they cant keep doing that.

And on a quick opinion comment, Rock, MDMA and McMahon are not in my opinion integral to Dublin. I think all of them are and have been easily replaced. All great at their peak, but other players are as good now and surpassed. I also think O Sullivan and Fitzsimons too are not the influence they were, but its impossible to judge with them having zero challenges this year. All leaving at the same time would be a blow, but I dont expect that to happen either. Replacing gradually can be done without any negative effect.

The main issues Dublin have with age are in goalkeeper and defence, you say he doesnt parachute guys in and keeps guys around the squad for 1/2 years easing them in. The majority of the defence is 29+ and only Murchan has been a newish face around the squad, Darren Daly is still a used sub at times and he is a veteran at this stage. So I am talking really 2/3 years down the line and can foresee issues for the Dublin football team.

By the way Rock has proved how integral he is to the team in the last few weeks. If there is a pressure free at any time in any game you would want him on it, I would call that integral

Fann Linn · 23-07-2019 04:03PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

The reality is in the post I made a few hours ago. Kilkenny and the Kerry team of the 1980s were disliked by neutrals because of their dominance, but no-one could dispute they were deserving champions who won fairly on a level playing field.

You absolutely can dispute it about this Dublin side. This is why people outside the county have much less respect for this Dublin side's achievements. Their achievements are completely diminished by these facts.

A small thread on boards and hoganstand is hardly reflective of people outside the county.

bennyl10 · 23-07-2019 04:05PM

No-one, absolutely no-one disputes that Dublin are a wonderfully talented team.

HOWEVER, it is absolutely lunacy to even attempt to say Dublin dont have a monumental financial advantage than the remainder of the competition. Organisation money above and beyond the remainder, Government money also. Vast, vast majority of game splayed in a 'Home' ground.(even the 'neutral' ones)

This isnt a bunch of jealous 'culchies'.

There is simply not a level playing field in Gaelic Football at the moment and unless things change the crowds and interest is gonna continue to go off a cliff.

Some Dublin fans need to stop thinking its an 'us against the world' mentality and maybe look at the facts(particularly financial) and understand why this cant continue.

LuckyLloyd · 23-07-2019 04:30PM

We know it won’t continue because Kerry were eventually beaten

blanch152 · 23-07-2019 05:00PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

No-one, absolutely no-one disputes that Dublin are a wonderfully talented team.

HOWEVER, it is absolutely lunacy to even attempt to say Dublin dont have a monumental financial advantage than the remainder of the competition. Organisation money above and beyond the remainder, Government money also. Vat, vast majority of game splayed in a 'Home' ground.(even the 'neutral' ones)

This isnt a bunch of jealous 'culchies'.

There is simply not a level playing field in Gaelic Football at the moment and unless things change the crowds and interest is gonna continue to go off a cliff.

Some Dublin fans need to stop thinking its an 'us against the world' mentality and maybe look at the facts(particularly financial) and understand why this cant continue.

When did the Dublin County Board start collecting VAT?

That will push one of the others out of my top-ten of daft ideas from this thread.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 05:16PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Not deflection just reality.
Of the options suggested by people on here and probably yourself, do you truly believe,
A)Dublin GAA will be split into 2/4/6/8.
B)Fans will boycott games.
C)Inter county players will go on strike rather than play Dublin.

A- I personally advocate a 4 way split of Dublin on population grounds alone.

Even after such a split they will be relatively huge in terms of county population. That’s how mad the situation is.

B- I also advocate an all out strike until financial doping for Dublin is stopped. Yes I realise It will take decades to fully address the inequalities but we have to make a start.

C- yes, fans including this one are already boycotting matches and this will increase inevitably.

toffeeshel · 23-07-2019 05:47PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

Incomparable to the financially loaded Dublin juggernaut of today.

Did they play all their finals in Fitzgerald's stadium too? (Austin Stack park being their home venue)

Kerry won the AI in 80 by winning 3 matches- cork Offaly and Roscommon. The internet would explode if Dublin did that

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 05:58PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A- I personally advocate a 4 way split of Dublin on population grounds alone.

Even after such a split they will be relatively huge in terms of county population. That’s how mad the situation is.

B- I also advocate an all out strike until financial doping for Dublin is stopped. Yes I realise It will take decades to fully address the inequalities but we have to make a start.

C- yes, fans including this one are already boycotting matches and this will increase inevitably.

A. But then it won’t be an AI that would be won. Asterisk doesn’t even get near what it would be described as. Pseudo AI maybe.

B. The funding issue has been dealt with. 2018 saw the balance happen with Dublin’s funding cut. Hopefully that satisfies you.

C. Yea right, all the country lads with their premium tickets going to stand outside Croker with banners. Looking forward to seeing you and the other lads here showing what your made of and mounting a protest outside Croker when Dublin has lay there next.

I do believe Dublin should play games somewhere else. I look forward to the GAA and the government matching the 50M Cork GAA received for the re-development of PUC.

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