Continuity IFA tractor protest 17/12/2019

fergus1001 · 17-12-2019 01:57PM #1

they are ah it again, when they go at it they go awful and very hard

why are the tractors protesting the Dail when it was said distribution centers would be targeted this time or did the Real IFA take the wind out of that with their own protests at distribution centers

Say my name · 17-12-2019 02:10PM

I'm pretty sure this is the Provisional Independent Farmers of Ireland. (PIFI).

They'd murder you if they were going to be associated with the IFA.

wrangler · 17-12-2019 02:22PM

Say my name wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is the Provisional Independent Farmers of Ireland. (PIFI).

They'd murder you if they were going to be associated with the IFA.

That works both ways.
20 tractors in Dublin at the last count but ''more coming''

Say my name · 17-12-2019 02:36PM

wrangler wrote: »

That works both ways.
20 tractors in Dublin at the last count but ''more coming''

I doubt those tractors are insured for that...just in case they had a tip or worse.

If it were lorries they might have a hope but unless specified..usually the first question your insurer asks you is, is the tractor only going to be doing agricultural work.
Customs could also dip them if they felt like it too.

twin_beacon · 17-12-2019 04:36PM

Say my name wrote: »

I doubt those tractors are insured for that...just in case they had a tip or worse.

If it were lorries they might have a hope but unless specified..usually the first question your insurer asks you is, is the tractor only going to be doing agricultural work.
Customs could also dip them if they felt like it too.

what would they be looking for?

Say my name · 17-12-2019 04:51PM

twin_beacon wrote: »

what would they be looking for?

Green diesel.

u140acro3xs7dm · 17-12-2019 06:03PM

After been held up on my way home again, I've decided to totally give up eating Irish beef. I've eaten very little since the last protest, but it's full-time now.

maidhc · 17-12-2019 06:06PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

After been held up on my way home again, I've decided to totally give up eating Irish beef. I've eaten very little since the last protest, but it's full-time now.

Do it properly. Hurt the farmers where it hurts good. Give up eating...

u140acro3xs7dm · 17-12-2019 06:08PM

maidhc wrote: »

Do it properly. Hurt the farmers where it hurts good. Give up eating...

What food has the lowest profit margins for Irish farmers?

wrangler · 17-12-2019 06:09PM

maidhc wrote: »

Do it properly. Hurt the farmers where it hurts good. Give up eating...

They're staying overnight now, Guards have unbelievable patience......... or can't be bothered.
Lads going to work in the morning will be fair peeved

mr.stonewall · 17-12-2019 06:10PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

After been held up on my way home again, I've decided to totally give up eating Irish beef. I've eaten very little since the last protest, but it's full-time now.

Continue damaging the planet by eating avacados and aubergines transported from the opposite side of the planet. Hope you go hungry soon, when you realise the damage that cheap food policies does the planet

wrangler · 17-12-2019 06:11PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

What food has the lowest profit margins for Irish farmers?

Supermarkets have made it a race to the bottom on all products, except maybe milk
They just seem unable to stop squeezing all the enterprises out of business, but for the subsidies we'd be all out of business

17-12-2019 06:13PM

maidhc wrote: »

Do it properly. Hurt the farmers where it hurts good. Give up eating all Irish foods

Corrected that for you, the way you had left it made no sense at all.

Unless of course you believe that Irish farmers are the only source of food on this planet.

17-12-2019 06:15PM

wrangler wrote: »

Supermarkets have made it a race to the bottom on all products, except maybe milk
They just seem unable to stop squeezing all the enterprises out of business, but for the subsidies we'd be all out of business

If the producer of a product can't make a profit from that product then he'd be well advised to remove him or herself from the market.

wrangler · 17-12-2019 06:21PM

171170 wrote: »

If the producer of a product can't make a profit from that product then he'd be well advised to remove him or herself from the market.

No one will go down without a fight though.
There's no doubt that subsidies have interfered with the way the beef market works, low prices usually usually cures low prices in that production drops, product gets scarce and prices rise, but with the subsidies farmers can afford to keep feeding beef,
Subsidies are threatening to be hugely reduced so that'll change everything

newholland mad · 17-12-2019 06:21PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

What food has the lowest profit margins for Irish farmers?

Beef. Sort of shooting yourself in the foot though.

K.G. · 17-12-2019 06:52PM

Please dont let them near a microphone again.

boggerman1 · 17-12-2019 07:06PM

One of the lads on this nonsense is from near my local town of Templemore.he’s not really a beef farmer and some around here would say not much of a dairy farmer either.it would be more in his benefit to be at home looking after his stock than acting the boll!!ks up in Dublin.when will the rest of us farmers call these muppets out

hopeso · 17-12-2019 07:13PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

One of the lads on this nonsense is from near my local town of Templemore.he’s not really a beef farmer and some around here would say not much of a dairy farmer either.it would be more in his benefit to be at home looking after his stock than acting the boll!!ks up in Dublin.when will the rest of us farmers call these muppets out

Anyone at any of these protests aren't genuine farmers with work to do.
Is the numpty with the big white tractor there again?

Grueller · 17-12-2019 07:42PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

What food has the lowest profit margins for Irish farmers?

Beef
Just seen that I was beaten to it above

_Brian · 17-12-2019 07:47PM

hopeso wrote: »

Anyone at any of these protests aren't genuine farmers with work to do.
Is the numpty with the big white tractor there again?

What the hell is a “genuine farmer”
Acreage based?
Horsepower based ?
Stocking rates ?
Suckler farmer?
BPS size?
Expensive wellies?

Really it makes no sense

Literally anyone who farms animals is a genuine farmer.

Or is it just people who think same as you ?

hopeso · 17-12-2019 07:54PM

_Brian wrote: »

What the hell is a “genuine farmer”
Acreage based?
Horsepower based ?
Stocking rates ?
Suckler farmer?
BPS size?
Expensive wellies?

Really it makes no sense

Literally anyone who farms animals is a genuine farmer.

Or is it just people who think same as you ?

It's a farmer that can't get away to Dublin because he has work to do. I know two prominent protesters who were active at the beef plant protests who haven't a beast between them. Yes, they have land, so maybe they're genuine farmers in your eyes, but it's rented out while they swan around on the single payment. How many of the gang currently in Dublin are similar I wonder?

BENDYBINN · 17-12-2019 08:04PM

hopeso wrote: »

It's a farmer that can't get away to Dublin because he has work to do. I know two prominent protesters who were active at the beef plant protests who haven't a beast between them. Yes, they have land, so maybe they're genuine farmers in your eyes, but it's rented out while they swan around on the single payment. How many of the gang currently in Dublin are similar I wonder?

Exactly,If you have work to do you shouldn’t be protesting....Now I’m off to clean out the henhouse...

u140acro3xs7dm · 17-12-2019 08:09PM

wrangler wrote: »

Supermarkets have made it a race to the bottom on all products, except maybe milk
They just seem unable to stop squeezing all the enterprises out of business, but for the subsidies we'd be all out of business

Genuine question, do the subsidies come from the exchequer or the EU?

wrangler · 17-12-2019 08:17PM

Layton Fierce Comb wrote: »

Genuine question, do the subsidies come from the exchequer or the EU?

90% EU
Any time we get a subsidy from exchequer it's usually matched by EU so it's actually bringing money into the country.
Eg if a farmer gets €1000, revenue will get back at least 40%(vat, income tax,there's tax on everything nowadays) and the EU contribution will endup in the rural economy by the farmer spending.
But the big subsidies are totally EU, SMALL ONES ARE USUALLY 50/50

17-12-2019 08:25PM

wrangler wrote: »

No one will go down without a fight though.
There's no doubt that subsidies have interfered with the way the beef market works, low prices usually usually cures low prices in that production drops, product gets scarce and prices rise, but with the subsidies farmers can afford to keep feeding beef,
Subsidies are threatening to be hugely reduced so that'll change everything

So would you agree with this this recent IT article by the former assistant director of Teagasc?

Small farmers have no business being in beef
No conceivable increase in prices would improve living standards on such farms

Beechwoodspark · 17-12-2019 08:26PM

Fair play to the farmers keep it up

The public are behind you.

_Brian · 17-12-2019 08:28PM

hopeso wrote: »

It's a farmer that can't get away to Dublin because he has work to do. I know two prominent protesters who were active at the beef plant protests who haven't a beast between them. Yes, they have land, so maybe they're genuine farmers in your eyes, but it's rented out while they swan around on the single payment. How many of the gang currently in Dublin are similar I wonder?

Maybe a neighbor stepped in and helped out ?

17-12-2019 08:32PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to the farmers keep it up

The public are behind you.

An exceptionally unwise choice of location if they're spreading slurry.

boggerman1 · 17-12-2019 08:33PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to the farmers keep it up

The public are behind you.

No they are not.this shower of gouls are a joke

BENDYBINN · 17-12-2019 08:34PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

No they are not.this shower of gouls are a joke

And the IFA last week were not?

wrangler · 17-12-2019 08:38PM

171170 wrote: »

So would you agree with this this recent IT article by the former assistant director of Teagasc?

Small farmers have no business being in beef
No conceivable increase in prices would improve living standards on such farms

The profit is poor, but the income is in the subsidies,
It's the way that the EU has made us I suppose...follow the money
Some farmer like feeding cattle, so I wouldn't say they shouldn't stay at it.
The ironic thing is that we get the subs whether we have cattle/sheep or not.
Because it's based on area of land subject to being kept in good agriculture condition

Beechwoodspark · 17-12-2019 08:41PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

No they are not.this shower of gouls are a joke

Give over

If anything they need to ramp up the protest

funkyouup · 17-12-2019 09:27PM

Are they still in the city?

fergus1001 · 17-12-2019 09:29PM

funkyouup wrote:

Are they still in the city?

they're staying overnight, apparently waiting for the minister like last time

wrangler · 17-12-2019 09:31PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

they're staying overnight, apparently waiting for the minister like last time

He's in Europe I think

boggerman1 · 17-12-2019 09:32PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Give over

If anything they need to ramp up the protest

Ramp it up to what.most of the lads out protesting aren’t serious farmers and those that are serious that are protesting are being lead by donkeys.

ganmo · 17-12-2019 09:32PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

they're staying overnight, apparently waiting for the minister like last time

They should of gone to cork so

boggerman1 · 17-12-2019 09:33PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

And the IFA last week were not?

I’m not a member of the ifa and last weeks stuff was only a stunt from them

fergus1001 · 17-12-2019 09:38PM

Say my name wrote:

I'm pretty sure this is the Provisional Independent Farmers of Ireland. (PIFI).

love how we got all the RA references into the thread

how many more splinter groups are we going to have ?

hopefully the IFA will see that they need to go back to grass roots because theyre loosing subs like no ones business, they possibly dont get it since they just increased the subs by a tenner

too many groups makes farmers weaker either need to ditch the IFA for something else or get in and support/make change

ganmo · 17-12-2019 09:39PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

I’m not a member of the ifa and last weeks stuff was only a stunt from them

Did it not play a part at bringing the retailers to the table?

wrangler · 17-12-2019 09:46PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

love how we got all the RA references into the thread

how many more splinter groups are we going to have ?

hopefully the IFA will see that they need to go back to grass roots because theyre loosing subs like no ones business, they possibly dont get it since they just increased the subs by a tenner

too many groups makes farmers weaker either need to ditch the IFA for something else or get in and support/make change

When the grass roots don't bother to have any input, there's not a lot can be done for them.
IFA are the only organisation marking all the issues at the moment , plenty of one trick ponies around alright

ganmo · 17-12-2019 10:00PM

In some cases people dont attend the agm so they wont get a job.

Correct me if I'm wrong but each branches vote depends on its membership rather than the amount of votes.

wrangler · 17-12-2019 10:09PM

ganmo wrote: »

In some cases people dont attend the agm so they wont get a job.

Correct me if I'm wrong but each branches vote depends on its membership rather than the amount of votes.

No it's PR voting now, everyones' vote counts, It used to be based on branch votes alright

kk.man · 18-12-2019 12:28AM

At work today and overheard a few colleagues speak about the tractor protest. I wasn't mean to hear them.
This is rual Ireland workplace, my colleagues avrg age is 45, the persons concerned were male, they would have had rural links and some were only one generation removed from a farm. To my shock I heard them slate the protestors 'expensive tractors' and went onto minic farmer accents. Then went on about EU subsidies and how the farmer was creaming it.
The Dublin traffic would not have disadvantage them. I tell you it was a eye opener as to how farmers are precieved.

Hard Knocks · 18-12-2019 07:31AM

kk.man wrote: »

At work today and overheard a few colleagues speak about the tractor protest. I wasn't mean to hear them.
This is rual Ireland workplace, my colleagues avrg age is 45, the persons concerned were male, they would have had rural links and some were only one generation removed from a farm. To my shock I heard them slate the protestors 'expensive tractors' and went onto minic farmer accents. Then went on about EU subsidies and how the farmer was creaming it.
The Dublin traffic would not have disadvantage them. I tell you it was a eye opener as to how farmers are precieved.

Yep listen to that too (we’re 100 miles from Dublin)
And the big grants the farmer gets

To them food comes from a shop & they don’t care who puts it there

The parents of 1/2 of the ones I listen too own land which is leased out

Rashers Big Log · 18-12-2019 07:41AM

Haven’t eaten beef since these lads last little stunt up here. These protests have really opened my eyes to what entitled, subsidy searching truffle hounds part of the beef farming community is. Maybe they should learn to code

Might hit M and S later and make sure to buy British produce!

cruizer101 · 18-12-2019 08:20AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to the farmers keep it up

The public are behind you.

I'm not, the idiots caused bedlam in terms of the traffic yesterday.

By all means protest but blocking up streets is not on. Why do they think they have the right to impact on other peoples businesses. Critical time for retailers profits but they are losing money because of the ignorant farmers actions.

Robson99 · 18-12-2019 08:49AM

cruizer101 wrote: »

I'm not, the idiots caused bedlam in terms of the traffic yesterday.

By all means protest but blocking up streets is not on. Why do they think they have the right to impact on other peoples businesses. Critical time for retailers profits but they are losing money because of the ignorant farmers actions.

Are they breaking the Law ???

Beechwoodspark · 18-12-2019 08:51AM

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Haven’t eaten beef since these lads last little stunt up here. These protests have really opened my eyes to what entitled, subsidy searching truffle hounds part of the beef farming community is. Maybe they should learn to code

Might hit M and S later and make sure to buy British produce!

Thankfully very few will “take the soup” like you are.

The best produce in the world is Irish

John_Rambo · 18-12-2019 09:08AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Are they breaking the Law ???

I'm not sure, but they're having an affect on the very people that can't afford to be affected. The big companies well paid staff are all well serviced by public transport or indeed live close to the city, within running or cycling distance to the office where they have showers.

The people being affected are the ones that are forced to drive in to the city from rural areas or commuter towns, also the tradespeople and delivery drivers that have no choice but to drive vans with tools etc...

The diatribe is a bit rich too, farmers on the radio telling us all the everyone in Dublin is making a fortune.

Look around you pal. Not everyone sleeping in the city is in a tractor.

Continuity IFA tractor protest 17/12/2019

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