BMW 330e 2020

KCross · 10-02-2020 04:16PM

Ludikrus wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how much it will cost (roughly) to charge the 330e battery from 0% (or 5%) to 100% on a home EV charger?

What year is the car?... the battery capacity has changed since it was first released.... are you buying a new one?

I think around 2018/2019 the battery capacity increased from 7.6kWh(6kWh usable) to about 12kWh(~10.5kWh usable)
So, allowing for charging losses they would cost €1.19 and €2.08 respectively for a full charge at 18c day rate. Half that for night rate.

Ludikrus · 10-02-2020 05:18PM

Thanks for the replies. I bought a 171 330e M-Sport so it's the older battery. I've just had a Zappi home charger installed and I had intended getting a night meter put in for the cheaper night tariffs but the electrician doing the install for me put me off it. He just said be careful with it because you have to be very diligent with your day time usage to see the savings with a night meter. I have two very young kids so washing machine, dryer, etc, are going all day long! He didn't think the benefits of charging my car at night (with a night meter) would outweigh the higher day time tariffs.

KCross · 10-02-2020 05:29PM

Ludikrus wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I bought a 171 330e M-Sport so it's the older battery. I've just had a Zappi home charger installed and I had intended getting a night meter put in for the cheaper night tariffs but the electrician doing the install for me put me off it. He just said be careful with it because you have to be very diligent with your day time usage to see the savings with a night meter. I have two very young kids so washing machine, dryer, etc, are going all day long! He didn't think the benefits of charging my car at night (with a night meter) would outweigh the higher day time tariffs.

Assuming you are charging that car to full everyday, he is wrong.

The day rate will go up by 1c/kWh. The night rate goes down by about 8c/kWh. The standing charge goes up by about €45/yr.

A good yardstick is that if you use 3kWh or more by night it will pay for itself.... your car is going to be using more than twice that on its own so it will pay you to move to night rate and you can also shift some appliances to run at 11pm to give further savings plus the house will be consuming some electricity at night also.

Switch to night rate, dont mind the electrician!

User1998 · 10-02-2020 05:59PM

See the thing with PHEV’s is that sometimes you can’t really afford to wait until the middle of the night until you charge because of the tiny range.

A lot of the time I’l come home from work with a good bit of range left, charge the car back to full, go out later in the evening and then come home and charge it to full again. Almost none of my charging happens during night rate hours. If I didn’t charge it after work and scheduled it to only charge at night I’d end up running out of battery on my second run in the evening and would have to use the petrol engine.

In my particular car and charger I can’t schedule the charging to happen at night if I also want to charge it during the day so night rate doesn’t really work for me. Maybe if I switched to night rate and changed a few habits with the dish washer etc I may break even?

KCross · 10-02-2020 06:16PM

User1998 wrote: »

See the thing with PHEV’s is that sometimes you can’t really afford to wait until the middle of the night until you charge because of the tiny range.

A lot of the time I’l come home from work with a good bit of range left, charge the car back to full, go out later in the evening and then come home and charge it to full again.

Nothing wrong with charging it up on day rate if you know you need the car again later that day but surely once you come home for the last time you would just plug it in and let it charge overnight for the following morning and avail of the half price electricity for that next charge session?

I'm not really understanding why you cant ever charge it at night?

User1998 wrote: »

In my particular car and charger I can’t schedule the charging to happen at night...

What have you got again. Is it the Golf GTE?
Are you sure it doesnt have any timers? I'd be very surprised if it didnt. Every EV i've heard of has timer capability and the Golf EV does so I'm amazed if the GTE doesnt?

User1998 wrote: »

Maybe if I switched to night rate and changed a few habits with the dish washer etc I may break even?

Break even is roughly 3 units used during the night rate hours. Monitor your night time usage as is and that will tell you if it is worth it or not.

User1998 · 10-02-2020 06:33PM

Yeah, it does have timers. But lets say I come home at 2pm and need to charge immediately because I know I’l need the car later in the day, if I have a timer set for say 10pm, the car won’t charge when I plug it in at 2pm, it will wait until 10pm, which means I will run out of battery when I use the car for the second time during the day because it didn’t charge. If that makes sense?

When I plug it in for the second time it won’t necessarily be at like 8/9 pm, it might still be during day rate hours like 7pm or so, and it would probably be charged within the hour or so because the battery won’t be empty.

If the second time I plug in was always during night rate hours it would make sense to switch, it would also make sense if the cars range was enough that I didn’t have to charge during the day.

KCross · 10-02-2020 06:37PM

User1998 wrote: »

Yeah, it does have timers. But lets say I come home at 2pm and need to charge immediately because I know I’l need the car later in the day, if I have a timer set for say 10pm, the car won’t charge when I plug it in at 2pm, it will wait until 10pm, which means I will run out of battery when I use the car for the second time during the day because it didn’t charge. If that makes sense?

When I plug it in for the second time it won’t necessarily be at like 8/9 pm, it might still be during day rate hours like 7pm or so, and it would probably be charged within the hour or so because the battery won’t be empty.

If the second time I plug in was always during night rate hours it would make sense to switch, it would also make sense if the cars range was enough that I didn’t have to charge during the day.

Again, every EV I've seen has a timer override button.
You set the timer for night rate hours. You get home but know you want to charge immediately to go out again that day so you press the override button and it starts charging immediately. When you get home for the last time of the day you just plug it in and press nothing... it will sit patiently and start the charge as per the set timers.

Have you checked if the GTE has a timer override button? I think it might be inside the charge port of the GTE?

User1998 · 10-02-2020 06:39PM

KCross wrote: »

Have you checked if the GTE has a timer override button?

... Maybe I need to do more research, I shall check

KCross · 10-02-2020 06:42PM

User1998 wrote: »

... Maybe I need to do more research, I shall check

Check for a button inside the charge port flap.... i think thats where it is in the Golf GTE

MaceFace · 10-02-2020 06:44PM

Honestly, with a small battery like in the 330e, it just isn't worth the hassle to worry about charging during the day or at night.

Like has been said, you come home and 5 thinking you are in for the night but then change your mind and you have no battery.
Just plug it in and don't worry about needing to over ride or forgetting to change it.

KCross · 10-02-2020 06:51PM

MaceFace wrote: »

Honestly, with a small battery like in the 330e, it just isn't worth the hassle to worry about charging during the day or at night.

Its worth about €350 a year if you are charging it everyday. Its not big money but I'd rather it be in my pocket than ESB's.

Setting up the timers are a one time thing so not a hassle. If you do forget once in a while to charge it and have to run it on petrol its not that big a deal, thats the whole point/beauty of a PHEV! Each to their own.

MaceFace · 10-02-2020 08:15PM

KCross wrote: »

Its worth about €350 a year if you are charging it everyday. Its not big money but I'd rather it be in my pocket than ESB's.

Setting up the timers are a one time thing so not a hassle. If you do forget once in a while to charge it and have to run it on petrol its not that big a deal, thats the whole point/beauty of a PHEV! Each to their own.

I can’t see those savings.

Save 7c per kWh so on a 7kw battery that a 50c a day saving or €180 per year but then you need to pay an addition €48 on your standing charge and an extra 1.5c per KWh on your daytime use.

Am I missing something?

maddness · 10-02-2020 09:13PM

BuzzFish wrote: »

Good feedback, thanks.

I'll take better pics later. Don't have original wheels (should have kept them!) But looking in adverts they can be had for €200-300 if the aftermarkets are really a big deal. Only other mod was the black grill, which seems very common in other f30s.

Appreciate the feedback though. Good look with finding your next car.

Give it a wash before you take pictures too, dirty car says all the wrong things when your trying to sell it.

Ludikrus · 12-02-2020 11:48AM

Has anyone else ever seen this error? Now and again my charging is failing for some reason. Everything is fine when I connect to my EV charger and the charging starts. When I get the error I disconnect it, then plug it in again and it charges up fine. But I've come out a couple of mornings now to a failed charged.

Batfink69 · 12-02-2020 01:39PM

Sorry, not had that one. Only time mine failed was when it couldn't measure the voltage and had to go back to BMW for a new card.

flanzer · 12-02-2020 09:34PM

Sorry not had that one either

KCross · 12-02-2020 09:53PM

Ludikrus wrote: »

Has anyone else ever seen this error? Now and again my charging is failing for some reason. Everything is fine when I connect to my EV charger and the charging starts. When I get the error I disconnect it, then plug it in again and it charges up fine. But I've come out a couple of mornings now to a failed charged.

Since others havent seen it I'd try to rule out your cable first. Could be a bad connection or frayed cable.

Is it a tethered or untethered charge point? If its untethered could you try another cable on it?

You could also plug it in, start a charge session and then just wriggle each part of the connector and cable itself to see if it drops the charge session.

Its worth trying those simple things first before you head to a dealer.

Ludikrus · 12-02-2020 11:03PM

KCross wrote: »

Since others havent seen it I'd try to rule out your cable first. Could be a bad connection or frayed cable.

Is it a tethered or untethered charge point? If its untethered could you try another cable on it?

You could also plug it in, start a charge session and then just wriggle each part of the connector and cable itself to see if it drops the charge session.

Its worth trying those simple things first before you head to a dealer.

Thanks. The cable is new (tethered) Zappi so no issues with it. Just to try something tonight I changed the charging rate in the car to the middle setting (‘reduced’ I think). Sure enough fully charged no problems! Didn’t seem to take any longer than the high setting either.

I’m on the west coast and the last two nights when the problems occurred have been absolutely filthy out with high winds. Maybe something got dislodged. Unlikely but not beyond the bounds of possibility.

vintagevrs · 13-02-2020 01:16PM

Lots of disruption to the ESB network over the last few days. Maybe the car did that when it detected issues with the supply? Our lights were flickering a lot with lightening nearby on Monday night.

MF290 · 14-02-2020 01:35PM

Looking at the autotrader.co.uk a 2018 older style 330e can be got for 20k whereas the cheapest 2019 new style is 36k. Fair price difference. Is the older style good value or are there reliability issues?

crystalbrite · 14-02-2020 02:10PM

MF290 wrote: »

Looking at the autotrader.co.uk a 2018 older style 330e can be got for 20k whereas the cheapest 2019 new style is 36k. Fair price difference. Is the older style good value or are there reliability issues?

20K sounds like good value for a 2018.
Is this for a basic SE spec or M sport?

Heres Johnny · 14-02-2020 02:16PM

MF290 wrote: »

Looking at the autotrader.co.uk a 2018 older style 330e can be got for 20k whereas the cheapest 2019 new style is 36k. Fair price difference. Is the older style good value or are there reliability issues?

A 2018 could be over 2 years old and is mose definitely a second hand car whereas a 2019 is probably a new car really, just a demo model less than a few months old

Cyrus · 14-02-2020 05:37PM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

A 2018 could be over 2 years old and is mose definitely a second hand car whereas a 2019 is probably a new car really, just a demo model less than a few months old

different models though arent they? one is the current 3 series and one is the discontinued old version.

Heres Johnny · 14-02-2020 06:03PM

Cyrus wrote: »

different models though arent they? one is the current 3 series and one is the discontinued old version.

Yes the model changed in that time alright. More range in newer model and a bit of a boost in power too.

galaxy12 · 14-02-2020 10:14PM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Yes the model changed in that time alright. More range in newer model and a bit of a boost in power too.

Can I ask whats the different between the old 2018 and the newer 2018 330e's ? and

is there a difference between 2017 and 2018 models as well. The battery power seems to be the same in the '17 and '18 models I saw on auto traders of 7.6 kWh .

They have an 18 reg for ~17.5 k£ there which looks both dodgy ..and great at the same time for a low mileage 330e hence asking.p

MaceFace · 15-02-2020 01:18AM

galaxy12 wrote: »

Can I ask whats the different between the old 2018 and the newer 2018 330e's ? and

is there a difference between 2017 and 2018 models as well. The battery power seems to be the same in the '17 and '18 models I saw on auto traders of 7.6 kWh .

They have an 18 reg for ~17.5 k£ there which looks both dodgy ..and great at the same time for a low mileage 330e hence asking.p

I have an original 2016 model I bought when it first came out. The newer facelift model only became available in around October if last year.
Was there a new model in between? There was a period when the 330e wasn’t even available until the facelift version was released.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 15-02-2020 02:06PM

MaceFace wrote: »

I have an original 2016 model I bought when it first came out. The newer facelift model only became available in around October if last year.
Was there a new model in between? There was a period when the 330e wasn’t even available until the facelift version was released.

The 2019 version is not a facelift, it’s a completely new model.

bazz26 · 15-02-2020 03:44PM

Yep, original 330e came out in 2016 but was based on the 3 Series model that was launched back in 2012. New model 3 Series and 330e were launched in 2019 and are on a totally different platform to the previous model. Battery on the new 2019 model is updated and improved for slightly better range over the old model too.

crystalbrite · 18-02-2020 03:25PM

Where can I find information on the recommend service intervals for this BMW 330E (2012-2019) version?

Also, the car I'm looking at buying only has a 3-pin plug. Where would you recommend buying a type-2 plug?

bazz26 · 18-02-2020 06:41PM

There are threads in the EV and hybrid sub forum about the 330e/530e, they will probably give you more information about charging and what cables to use. It might also be mentioned in the first number of pages of this thread too.

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