Will clubs cancel racing over the next few months ?

mamax · 05-03-2020 07:25PM #1

I know there is a thread about the coronavirus but this is quite specific.

Anyone here involved with a club worried about how the virus may affect your event or have you had any discussion's on cancelling your event over the next 2 or 3 month's.
RTE reporting now that its only a matter of time before its widespread.

dahat · 05-03-2020 08:40PM

It's definitely an interesting one but I'd imagine unless it gets massively worse then all should be fine.

I say the above as a rider hoping for the best...

magicbastarder · 05-03-2020 11:52PM

i suspect a club race is of far less concern than a big name event likely to attract many spectators crowding together?

mamax · 06-03-2020 07:43AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i suspect a club race is of far less concern than a big name event likely to attract many spectators crowding together?

I was thinking more about rider safety than large amount of spectators.
7 more cases overnight and the WHO have suggested some countries not taking it seriously enough.

CramCycle · 07-03-2020 09:35PM

I was at the DW race this morning, my own club wouldn't shake hands, the club beside my car where all doing jokey elbow shakes. If eevryone in Ireland took too being so non touchy feely as cyclists we would all be fine.

bwalsh1983 · 09-03-2020 10:40AM

Fair play to Tralee Manor West, hand sanitizer, gloves etc all in full effect at Lacey Cup sign on yesterday. Taking precautions where they can and guidance where possible.

ednwireland · 09-03-2020 12:01PM

shame theres no guidance to clubs on this from cycling ireland

even if you wanted hand sanitizer you cant get it.

Cionn · 09-03-2020 03:35PM

interesting alright that cycling ireland haven't made any comment. it is only a matter of time (whether days or weeks) before some clarity is needed from them. I would imagine club spins would be OK but events could be a different story. Think of the ring of Kerry bringing thousands from every corner of Ireland, it would be the equivalent of a cycling petri dish.

daragh_ · 09-03-2020 04:35PM

Vets racing starts back in a few weeks. I'm not looking forward to all the hacking, coughing and spluttering that happens the first few laps of the first race. And that's just me :cool:

cunavalos · 09-03-2020 05:02PM

Is there a potential issue if the medical cover required for events (Order of Malta, Civil Defence or St Johns Ambulance) is required to assist the HSE in the short term?

mamax · 09-03-2020 05:11PM

It looks like there could be many issues for races coming up.
Do riders want to be in a close bunch with others spit and snot flying around ?
Will clubs be able to provide adequate medical cover ?
I'ts all new and a weird waiting game

CramCycle · 09-03-2020 05:14PM

cunavalos wrote: »

Is there a potential issue if the medical cover required for events (Order of Malta, Civil Defence or St Johns Ambulance) is required to assist the HSE in the short term?

A very good point, it is a requirement of an open race, and in my opinion should be a requirement of club leagues as well. As most are first aid responders rather than EMTs or advanced EMTs though, it might not be a major issue.

CramCycle · 09-03-2020 05:15PM

mamax wrote: »

It looks like there could be many issues for races coming up.
Do riders want to be in a close bunch with others spit and snot flying around ?
Will clubs be able to provide adequate medical cover ?
I'ts all new and a weird waiting game

More and more my plans to go from the gun are looking like a good call.

dermabrasion · 10-03-2020 07:16AM

Just a note to anyone training really hard at the moment.
This is a novel virus. There is no immunity to it, that is why models predict rapid spread when it is out of the containment and in the community,
When you meet this virus, your immune system must be able to react appropriately to it. That means, develop antibodies to neutralise it and also to deal with infected cells without causing excessive inflammation
Anyone who has done a big winter training plan will be familiar with being derailed by getting sick. This is because excessive training stress is immunosuppressive. This is well described in medical literature

So for me, I am going to continue training. I am not going to train tired. I'm going to pay attention to my resting heart rate and rest between sessions. I'm going to eat well and not seek to drop weight too quickly. I am going to sleep well. Im not going to do 160kms in zone 3/4 chasing wheels I cannot hold. Not this year.

Mefistofelino · 10-03-2020 08:51AM

CramCycle wrote: »

A very good point, it is a requirement of an open race, and in my opinion should be a requirement of club leagues as well. As most are first aid responders rather than EMTs or advanced EMTs though, it might not be a major issue.

I can only speak for local organisations here in Cork (though cannot see why it would be significantly different elsewhere) but a significant percentage of the voluntary ambulance crews are trained to EMT / Paramedic / Advanced Paramedic level (many work for the HSE ambulance service).

Back in 2018 for the Beast from the East, I believe the HSE had the voluntary ambulance crews available to provide support for the HSE crews (non-critical patient transfer etc).

magicbastarder · 10-03-2020 09:07AM

if the HSE move to a 'stay at home and we'll visit you' mode of containment, i suspect you won't get a paramedic to cover a cycle race for love nor money. suits the HSE's agenda too, they will not want to be dealing with relatively minor injuries from cycle races when they're already stretched.

CramCycle · 10-03-2020 10:09AM

Mefistofelino wrote: »

I can only speak for local organisations here in Cork (though cannot see why it would be significantly different elsewhere) but a significant percentage of the voluntary ambulance crews are trained to EMT / Paramedic / Advanced Paramedic level (many work for the HSE ambulance service).

Back in 2018 for the Beast from the East, I believe the HSE had the voluntary ambulance crews available to provide support for the HSE crews (non-critical patient transfer etc).

It depends who you get here, the current crowd we have are all EMTs but the previous crowd we had didn't and all they could do was secure the scene and provide first aid until an ambulance arrived. Great to have the lights etc. but having an EMT there gives a bit more reassurance IMO. The crowd we now use are not a voluntary service like St. JOhns or IRC, but a private company so not sure if the HSE stuff will affect them. We have them booked for the year anyway so hopefully they can honour that.

Dietmar Hamann · 11-03-2020 10:45AM

Ras Naomh Finian cancelled according to reports due to Covid-19

CramCycle · 11-03-2020 11:04AM

Dietmar Hamann wrote: »

Ras Naomh Finian cancelled according to reports due to Covid-19

No mention on their facebook or website yet.

Dietmar Hamann · 11-03-2020 11:12AM

CramCycle wrote: »

No mention on their facebook or website yet.

Yeah noticed that when I went looking. Got it from one of the lads who is a Commissaire in our club so taking it as he got notice from the powers to be in CI

Dietmar Hamann · 11-03-2020 11:18AM

Gone from Cycling Ireland's online sign on facility

lennymc · 11-03-2020 01:13PM

http://clonardroadclub.com/archives/13390 - they just emailed me

CramCycle · 12-03-2020 07:05AM

I see a good few more gone overnight, I can't see many more going ahead over the next two to three weeks based on the pattern.

JimmiesRustled · 12-03-2020 07:48AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I see a good few more gone overnight, I can't see many more going ahead over the next two to three weeks based on the pattern.

To be honest I can't see how any should go ahead at this point. As soon as it's deemed unsafe for one event to go ahead the same should apply across the board really. I'd expect CI to make an announcement as opposed to letting it's clubs make their own decisions.

Looks like I'll be renewing zwift and racing virtually the next few weekends.

magicbastarder · 12-03-2020 08:35AM

basketball ireland have cancelled all events.

Junior · 12-03-2020 09:09AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I see a good few more gone overnight, I can't see many more going ahead over the next two to three weeks based on the pattern.

Wasn't an easy decision for us down in Carrick, but to be honest a lack of direction from CI means Clubs are the mercy of making the right and or wrong decision.

CramCycle · 12-03-2020 09:40AM

Junior wrote: »

Wasn't an easy decision for us down in Carrick, but to be honest a lack of direction from CI means Clubs are the mercy of making the right and or wrong decision.

You made the right decision, regardless of opinions, this is the safest action and if I was part of running an event, it would be what I would call for. If said event refused to defer and my name was attached, I'd be pulling my name from it.

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 09:51AM

Junior wrote: »

Wasn't an easy decision for us down in Carrick, but to be honest a lack of direction from CI means Clubs are the mercy of making the right and or wrong decision.

Right decision made. The difference a week makes is massive. We were in touch with CI and the HSE last week and got very little guidance regarding whether our races should be run or not last Saturday.

Hopefully CI come out with some direction now that you and other clubs have cancelled races. Better that we lose 2 or 3 weeks of the season now rather than waiting a week or 2 and loosing 2 or 3 months.

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 09:54AM

Newbridge GP not available now on Cycling Irelands online sign up facility. Looks like that one is gone now too

Junior · 12-03-2020 11:25AM

Dietmar Hamann wrote: »

Right decision made. The difference a week makes is massive. We were in touch with CI and the HSE last week and got very little guidance regarding whether our races should be run or not last Saturday.

Hopefully CI come out with some direction now that you and other clubs have cancelled races. Better that we lose 2 or 3 weeks of the season now rather than waiting a week or 2 and loosing 2 or 3 months.

Yeah and look earlier in the week, I was thinking what's the harm, it's probably look enough risk, but day by day and hour by hour it has escalated.

dahat · 12-03-2020 12:20PM

Junior wrote: »

Wasn't an easy decision for us down in Carrick, but to be honest a lack of direction from CI means Clubs are the mercy of making the right and or wrong decision.

Correct call given the wider implications for the community.

eeeee · 12-03-2020 01:17PM

Pretty sure all races will be cancelled this weekend.
Be fairly irresponsible to run one in the next while now.

KAGY · 12-03-2020 01:27PM

All outdoor events over 500 should be cancelled according to announcement. The local club duathlon was cancelled just now.

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 04:40PM

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/cycling-ireland-statement-coronavirus-covid-19/27483

Looks like all events canceled including club spins as they come under approved Cycling Ireland events.

CramCycle · 12-03-2020 05:01PM

Dietmar Hamann wrote: »

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/cycling-ireland-statement-coronavirus-covid-19/27483

Looks like all events canceled including club spins as they come under approved Cycling Ireland events.

I am reading that as just events and not club spins but I could be wrong, wouldn't be heading on one anyway but thats my reading

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 05:16PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I am reading that as just events and not club spins but I could be wrong, wouldn't be heading on one anyway but thats my reading

We looked at it from an insurance perspective a while back and the advice received was that club spins came under the remit of approved events. I'll be sticking to the turbo for the foreseeable future...

rayman1 · 12-03-2020 05:43PM

Dietmar Hamann wrote: »

We looked at it from an insurance perspective a while back and the advice received was that club spins came under the remit of approved events. I'll be sticking to the turbo for the foreseeable future...

I don't read it as including club spins but they do say a further statement will be announced later this evening around club activities.
Can't see much of an issue with 10 or 12 people out in the fresh air on a club spin if sensible precautions are taken.

CantGetNoSleep · 12-03-2020 05:46PM

Dietmar Hamann wrote: »

We looked at it from an insurance perspective a while back and the advice received was that club spins came under the remit of approved events. I'll be sticking to the turbo for the foreseeable future...

I'm planning on getting out several times next week for solo spins if working from home

eeeee · 12-03-2020 06:03PM

Hard to keep the social distancing up on a group spin though?

bazermc · 12-03-2020 06:54PM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

I'm planning on getting out several times next week for solo spins if working from home

Just thinking the same.

Me, my bike and the open road is all I need to keep my sanity levels

Idleater · 12-03-2020 07:45PM

eeeee wrote: »

Hard to keep the social distancing up on a group spin though?

It'd give credence to the usual "they were all over the road" comments :-)

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 07:54PM

rayman1 wrote: »

I don't read it as including club spins but they do say a further statement will be announced later this evening around club activities.
Can't see much of an issue with 10 or 12 people out in the fresh air on a club spin if sensible precautions are taken.

We didn't either until we got advice from an insurance professional. It's related to the 3rd party insurance cover that only exists if it is on an approved event (club spin) under Cycling Ireland rules so you could take same reading of that here that approved events include club spins under the list of cancellations.

My personal reading of it is that it is similar to the GAA. All events be they matches (races in Cycling Irelands case) or training (Club Spins) are cancelled till 29th of March.

I'll happily be corrected here by Cycling Ireland if the give another announcement on the issue regarding club activities.

Dietmar Hamann · 12-03-2020 08:18PM

I see Triathlon Ireland have come out with the following:

Effective from 6pm today, all Triathlon Ireland affiliated clubs are advised to cancel club training sessions and events until 29 March.

https://www.triathlonireland.com/News/2020/Covid-19-and-Triathlon.html

lennymc · 13-03-2020 09:54AM

I did a zwift race last night, first one in a while. I thought it was quite realistic as I was spat out the back!! There was a lad from Orwell in it too - those guys are everywhere!

I see a lot more of these in my future. Is it possible to set up an invite only race I wonder - Boards.ie championship?

dahat · 13-03-2020 10:11AM

lennymc wrote: »

I did a zwift race last night, first one in a while. I thought it was quite realistic as I was spat out the back!! There was a lad from Orwell in it too - those guys are everywhere!

I see a lot more of these in my future. Is it possible to set up an invite only race I wonder - Boards.ie championship?

Is a smart turbo needed? I've got direct drive non smart to work with.

lennymc · 13-03-2020 10:29AM

dahat wrote: »

Is a smart turbo needed? I've got direct drive non smart to work with.

I dont believe it is, but you would need a PM to send power data to zwift. Alternatively, they do support 'dumb' trainers, but I am not sure if you can race with them.

https://road.cc/content/feature/256249-so-you-want-get-zwift-racing-heres-our-guide-getting-started

edit - according to this link - https://zwift.com/news/19189-zwift-how-to-ride-with-friends - it is possible to arrange meetups

dahat · 13-03-2020 01:56PM

Power meter I have e so I'll just bang through gears as per normal if I try one.

RobertFoster · 13-03-2020 05:18PM

The Vets are postponing the start of the racing season until April 19th at the earliest: http://theivca.com/?p=2449

CramCycle · 13-03-2020 08:11PM

RobertFoster wrote: »

The Vets are postponing the start of the racing season until April 19th at the earliest: http://theivca.com/?p=2449

Good call, protect one of our most vulnerable groups :pac:

Cionn · 13-03-2020 08:57PM

I can't understand why cycling Ireland make a statement referring to future clarifications and then don't follow through. My reading of the current situation is that events (sportives and races) are cancelled but club spins are still a go. We really need some clarity at the moment especially in relation to insurance. It's a yes or no and we deserve this at a minimum.

CramCycle · 13-03-2020 09:16PM

Club spins are a make up your own mind and be a grown up choice at the minute. Unsure why anyone needs guidance from CI on this. In reality, just suck it up and don't unless you are one of the few people in the country who has no contact with the immunocomprimised or elderly. If your like some of the people I work with, then I am telling you NO, apparently some people need to be told the blatently obvious.

Will clubs cancel racing over the next few months ?

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