Teachers to be paid full pay whilst schools closed - Rest of us €305 pw

Scammell · 12-03-2020 01:35PM #1

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

Salary Negotiator · 12-03-2020 01:37PM

Retrain and become a teacher then.

Lord TSC · 12-03-2020 01:38PM

Withs all that is happening in the world, do you really think this matters at the moment?

James Brown · 12-03-2020 01:39PM

Aren't unions great? You should join one.

Or you could tear down anyone getting a better deal than you I suppose.

Ronney · 12-03-2020 01:40PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

Think thats only Sick pay, you actually get nothing if your off work unless your company decide to pay you

Turtwig · 12-03-2020 01:40PM

If the government doesn't pay their own employees how can they expect other employers to consider following suit. Simply put the more security an employee is guaranteed the less likely they will go to work when sick.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-03-2020 01:41PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

Sounds like you're the one Whinging, not teachers.

bren2001 · 12-03-2020 01:41PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

Teachers are still expected to work. Keep your manufactured outrage to yourself.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-03-2020 01:43PM

Bowie wrote: »

Aren't unions great? You should join one.

Or you could tear down anyone getting a better deal than you I suppose.

This in exactly it. People sh1t talk unions for being useless and then sh1t talk teachers for having better working conditions than the average bear.

The really important thing is to make sure workers turn against each other an resent people with good working conditions. That way, employers can have a race to the bottom in terms of conditions and workers will actually support it!

markodaly · 12-03-2020 01:59PM

If teachers are working, well they should be paid, of course.

However, judging by my light reading on the Teacher forum on here, many teachers are not being that cooperative and finding problems to teaching remotely where non usually exists, as a way to make excuses and drive a wedge.

Teachers have a bad rep because they are in it for themselves, in most cases. They have some of the most militant unions in the state, yet you would swear they are paid slave labour wages.

Maybe they can take two weeks off, but pay it back in the summer, but as if that will happen. The ASTI will be out marching for a pay rise before this thing is over.

Scammell · 12-03-2020 02:08PM

markodaly wrote: »

If teachers are working, well they should be paid, of course.

However, judging by my light reading on the Teacher forum on here, many teachers are not being that cooperative and finding problems to teaching remotely where non usually exists, as a way to make excuses and drive a wedge.

Teachers have a bad rep because they are in it for themselves,

Well said

12-03-2020 02:10PM

They will be asked to make up the time when this is over.

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev · 12-03-2020 02:29PM

mariaalice wrote: »

They will be asked to make up the time when this is over.

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

Salary Negotiator · 12-03-2020 02:33PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

I'm well aware of that, my partner went back to do a 4 year degree to be a teacher. Paid all the college fees, worked part time in various creches and Montessoris and did whatever babysitting she could to pay for it.

If someone wants to be a teacher they'll figure out a way to do it.

People who are jealous will bitch and moan.

12-03-2020 02:36PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

There are a million threads on the subject, yes it a good job but every job in the private sector is not working as a slave in a salt mine.

One of my sisters works in niche bit of financial service/insurance and its very well padded including pension contributions, top-rate health insurance, bonus, and flexiable working from home.

bren2001 · 12-03-2020 02:36PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

Define relatively easy there. There are hundreds of well paid jobs that I would consider relatively easy but other wouldn't and vice versa. I always thought teachers had an easy job until I lived with some, far harder than I imagined. Definitely not a job I'd like to move into.

That's just not true, to get a pension of 35k, you would not need to contribute "most of your salary". A modest contribution into a pension fund will get you there. Their pension contribution is built into their salary as well as the direct contribution introduced during the recession. It seems like you've some vendetta against teachers which is not based in fact.

I'm not a teacher btw.

spurious · 12-03-2020 02:37PM

TDs are paid too. Probably nurses too. Go whinge at them.

Jesus the things people (and re-regs) bitch about in the midst of this.....

spurious · 12-03-2020 02:38PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

Only 4k? What yellow pack course is that?

jimgoose · 12-03-2020 02:40PM

Well, I can work from home of course, and if I get sick I'm paid full salary for the first six days, and then full salary minus whatever illness benefit is to be got from the DSP for whatever length that goes on. It is hooked up to my insurance mind you, but whatever it takes to keep the shillin's flowing.

iebamm2580 · 12-03-2020 02:47PM

Teachers pay not great in my opinion, 69000most you can earn somebody mentioned, **** that.

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev · 12-03-2020 03:02PM

bren2001 wrote: »

That's just not true, to get a pension of 35k, you would not need to contribute "most of your salary". A modest contribution into a pension fund will get you there.

Are you sure? Most annuities will pay 5% of your pot as an annuity per year as a rule of thumb.

So to get an annual pension of €35,000 you'd need to have a pension pot of €700,000.

To achieve that over 40 years your pension pot would have to climb by €17,500 per year, every year.

Yes, your funds are invested and can go up and down.

The real kicker is that private pension funds (ie, defined contribution) are NOT guaranteed. Whereas defined benefit plans (ie, teachers), their money is absolutely guaranteed to the extent that they'll probably dip into private pension funds to fund any shortfall for teachers' pensions should one arise in future.

Idbatterim · 12-03-2020 03:04PM

any bloody chance they can get , time off. Closing the schools for elections up until recently was a farce! More childcare required for workers, as if they need this!

Sober Crappy Chemis · 12-03-2020 03:07PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

Relax the cacks Kevin Keegan

Midlife · 12-03-2020 03:27PM

Teaching is weird.

You'll never be rich but you'll never be poor and the security is amazing.

Not sure why people hate on it so much though.

The One Doctor · 12-03-2020 03:32PM

Teachers do an essential job. They deserve to be paid in times of crisis.

And no, I'm not a teacher, I restore and upcycle furniture. It's a lot more fulfilling than my previous high powered IT job.

Antares35 · 12-03-2020 03:33PM

Presumably those of us working from home will still be paid our usual wage?

spaceHopper · 12-03-2020 03:35PM

Teachers work in a germ factory where the kids bring them in make them super bugs and pass them on to the teachers.

Hotblack Desiato · 12-03-2020 03:41PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

But the private sector worker gets the social welfare old age pension on top of their occupational pension, teachers (and other public servants) don't. This is never mentioned when posters/the media go on about how great public sector pensions are supposed to be.

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev · 12-03-2020 03:46PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

But the private sector worker gets the social welfare old age pension on top of their occupational pension, teachers (and other public servants) don't. This is never mentioned when posters/the media go on about how great public sector pensions are supposed to be.

Are public sector workers not entitled to the state pension at 68 ???

Iscreamkone · 12-03-2020 03:48PM

A teacher retiring on €70k will get a tax free lump sum of €105k + an annual salary of €35k
This is worth approx. €1m if funded privately.

Hotblack Desiato · 12-03-2020 04:17PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

Are public sector workers not entitled to the state pension at 68 ???

No. Not at all if they were employed before 1995

If employed after 1995, they get it but it's deducted from their occupational pension.

road_high · 12-03-2020 04:37PM

As far I’m aware everyone is still working in as full a capacity as possible. So they’ll be working with delivering online lessons, correcting work and be available on phone and email. Under the circumstances that’s pretty good in my opinion

Geuze · 12-03-2020 04:49PM

bren2001 wrote: »

Their pension contribution is built into their salary as well as the direct contribution introduced during the recession.

This implies that PS workers only started to contribute to their pensions in 2009.

This is false.

All public servants (excl. civil servants) have always paid 6.5% pension conts.

Since 2009, they also pay the PRD, which is typically 10%.

As part of the pay restoration, the PRD has been reduced, so now it's 10% on income over 32k.

Gatling · 12-03-2020 04:51PM

Glad I'm in education

Higgins5473 · 12-03-2020 05:15PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

I’m a teacher, we finished work today at 2:10pm. I beat my usual record of being out the school gate at 2:13pm by a full minute, probably because I had an extra spring in my step with the delivery of Leo’s holiday bonus days, absolutely delighted. I fully intend on doing absolutely sweet f*ck all until the 29th, where I will return to ‘work’ and just do some more f*ck all until the Easter holidays a few days later

I’ve the house stocked up with copious amounts unnecessary items which I bought with your hard earned taxes, some of these items include about 40 litres of hand sanitiser and a few hundred rolls of jacks paper, 28 bottles of Baileys (what was I thinking, but sure I had the cash on me LOL), 25 slabs of Guinness and I bought a new 65” OLED TV which was a bargain reduced to €3,400 in Curry’s. I find the TV to be an absolute necessity in these trying times though.

All that said, I am getting increasingly irritated that I can’t book and plan my flights and hotels for the 3 months off in the summer, I usually take care of it around about this time to save a few euro, which funds my travels during my sick leave in mid-September.

James Brown · 12-03-2020 05:23PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I’m a teacher, we finished work today at 2:10pm. I beat my usual record of being out the school gate at 2:13pm by a full minute, probably because I had an extra spring in my step with the delivery of Leo’s holiday bonus days, absolutely delighted. I fully intend on doing absolutely sweet f*ck all until the 29th, where I will return to ‘work’ and just do some more f*ck all until the Easter holidays a few days later

I’ve the house stocked up with copious amounts unnecessary items which I bought with your hard earned taxes, some of these items include about 40 litres of hand sanitiser and a few hundred rolls of jacks paper, 28 bottles of Baileys (what was I thinking, but sure I had the cash on me LOL), 25 slabs of Guinness and I bought a new 65” OLED TV which was a bargain reduced to €3,400 in Curry’s. I find the TV to be an absolute necessity in these trying times though.

All that said, I am getting increasingly irritated that I can’t book and plan my flights and hotels for the 3 months off in the summer, I usually take care of it around about this time to save a few euro, which funds my travels during my sick leave in mid-September.

You sound like a terrible teacher, if you don't mind me saying.

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I once worked on a building site in London. One of the labourers was a science teacher on his 'summer holidays'. He must have just loved pushing wheelbarrows of cement. Not how I'd spend my holidays. Each to their own.

gerbilgranny · 12-03-2020 05:27PM

Scammell wrote: »

Bloody whingeing teachers are to be paid whilst schools closed. The rest of us in the real world will have to do with €305 for two weeks and then take our chances where we will be unable to work due to Covid 19.

Damn unfair again. And the teachers have the gall to continuously moan and whinge!!

From..... https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

6. School Closure

6.1 If following HSE advice, a school is closed as a result of Covid-19, the Paymaster will continue to pay the employees.

My daughter is a secondary school teacher, and after paying her car loan, and petrol (she lives 30 miles from where she works, and there is no public transport to get her there), put money aside for big bills like her car insurance, she has about €10 a week to spend on food for the week. She's 'lucky' that she can live in the family home, but would obviously like to move out into a modest place - maybe some day.

She buys a lot of stuff for school - supplies, things needed for coursework, experiments etc, - because the school doesn't have the budget to provide such necessities. In fact the school doesn't have hot water, and in the afternoons the cold water pressure is down to a trickle.

She has done a great deal of prep for the possibility of school closures - but not all students will be able to work well in their homes. For some of them, the time in school is a break away from sad situations at home.

She spent 6 years in a college - a four-year B Sc, and then a two-year Masters in Education (so the old 'H-Dip has now turned into a two-year 'course' with much more unpaid work in schools), which cost a heck of a lot.

I agree that she gets great holidays, but to be fair, she works quite a bit during them - particularly the midterms and Easter & Christmas breaks, correcting tests, planning lessons etc. I've seen how teachers (maybe particularly 'newer' teachers) do a lot more than just work in the classroom.

picturehangup · 12-03-2020 05:27PM

Just for your information, teachers will be working remotely from home, and will continue to set work, correct work online, and work from Google classrooms everywhere. So, they are not in school, but are working as is normal in what are very difficult and strange circumstances at this time.

Higgins5473 · 12-03-2020 05:31PM

Bowie wrote: »

You sound like a terrible teacher, if you don't mind me saying.

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You wouldn’t be the first to say that but I’m not just terrible, probably the worst. The kids detest me and let’s not get started on the parents.....which by the way, some parent actually had the audacity to stop me on the way out at 2:11pm, she asked me if I could assign some work for the two weeks as her kid has learning difficulties. Outrageous behaviour, after hours, no appointment made and just stops me. I just tapped my watch and said “off the clock”. The expectations from some parents is outrageous.

12-03-2020 05:34PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

So YOU made bad life choices then. Don't see why the people that make good career choices should suffer.

They studied, they got the degree, they then got the job with it's very public and known conditions.

We're you not aware that they had job security? Or a union? I bet the summer off was a complete shock as well huh?

I don't understand this. I chose my job, you chose yours, teachers course theirs, doctors chose, lawyers chose and the self made millionaires chose. You chose badly, that's on you

12-03-2020 05:36PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

Are public sector workers not entitled to the state pension at 68 ???

It's included

History Queen · 12-03-2020 05:54PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

Without tackling every lie in this post:

Post 2011 teachers get a pension of approx 12k plus old age pension if they work for 40 years.

And they have 3 compulsory pension related deductions in every paycheck.

gerrybbadd · 12-03-2020 05:59PM

This aul teacher bashing thread didn't work out like you'd hoped OP, huh?

12-03-2020 06:24PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

You wouldn’t be the first to say that but I’m not just terrible, probably the worst. The kids detest me and let’s not get started on the parents.....which by the way, some parent actually had the audacity to stop me on the way out at 2:11pm, she asked me if I could assign some work for the two weeks as her kid has learning difficulties. Outrageous behaviour, after hours, no appointment made and just stops me. I just tapped my watch and said “off the clock”. The expectations from some parents is outrageous.

:pac:, this reads like it's taken from some bad school teacher sitcom, Im sure one exists, if not it should be, like that head teacher from, oh crsap, cant think of the name of the programme, anyway, I laughed, OLED tv

edit, inbetweeners, dont really follow tv programmes, so am sick when I find one years later that is sarcastic and bitterly funny

Montage of Feck · 12-03-2020 06:29PM

Turtwig wrote: »

If the government doesn't pay their own employees how can they expect other employers to consider following suit. Simply put the more security an employee is guaranteed the less likely they will go to work when sick.

Just treat everyone the same is all most would ask for. Pay €188 a week to everyone off, but stop loan repayments. The country is already in debt no need to be adding to it.

Fabio · 12-03-2020 06:29PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Is that right?

Good one.

Alex86Eire · 12-03-2020 06:41PM

A lot of teachers are subbing and don't have contracts. I'm presuming they won't be paid.

HartsHat · 12-03-2020 06:46PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

LOL. Try telling the unions to do that.

As for the people saying "retrain and become a teacher" .. you do realise that that would need two years off work and an annual fee of €4,000 per anum on top of that .. plus expenses.

You cannot deny it. Teachers have a sweet deal.
Unionised or not, the private sector workers could never get a deal like that.
Their pay peaks at €69,000 per anum for what is a relatively easy job and their pension would be in the mid 30's k for a teacher with 40 years service. To get a pension like that a private sector worker would have to be on serious money contibuting most of their salay to their pension.

Why didn't you become a teacher when you were younger?

Did you not realise all of the above when you were a young adult?

People who moan about teachers are bizzare. We all knew the rules of the game filing out the CAO. Don't blame teachers because you picked the wrong thing.

HartsHat · 12-03-2020 06:48PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

A teacher retiring on €70k will get a tax free lump sum of €105k + an annual salary of €35k
This is worth approx. €1m if funded privately.

Not anyone who has started teaching since 2012, btw.

Also, if you want a public sector pension so bad, join the public sector. There's a Clerical Officer and Assistant Principal competition running at the moment. Apply and see if you make it.

Larbre34 · 12-03-2020 06:48PM

All public service workers have had their salaries guaranteed in event of closures, not just teachers, which amounts to about 300,000.

Which is good ****in news for the rest of you with small businesses cos your cashflow won't dry up entirely.

HartsHat · 12-03-2020 06:50PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

All public service workers have had their salaries guaranteed in event of closures, not just teachers, which amounts to about 300,000.

Which is good ****in news for the rest of you with small businesses cos your cashflow won't dry up entirely.

A lot of those workers also will be working anyway, Gardaí, Nurses, Doctors, Paramedics, Firefighters, Civil Servants etc.,

Teachers to be paid full pay whilst schools closed - Rest of us €305 pw

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