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What did you get wrong about the virus?

  • 18-03-2020 11:00AM
    #1
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭


    All the way back in the first big thread, I was fully sure nowhere else would have a big outbreak like Wuhan but then Italy happened. And I thought Europe would handle it better in general.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    I thought that as the scale became more and more apparent the focus would switch from 'economy first' to 'people first'

    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    I was one of the sceptics.

    Aussie flu
    Swine flu
    Bird flu
    Sars

    I thoughr every year for the last few years the media create hysterics that something was going to wipe us out

    When I first heard of the coronavirus, I scoffed and said to myself, I wonder what's going to destroy us all next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I did not think it would be able to get to Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    I didn't think the UK would just go against what everyone else is doing just to be seen to be different. It's taking Brexit just that little bit too far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    I didn't think the UK would just go against what everyone else is doing just to be seen to be different. It's taking Brexit just that little bit too far.


    That's one thing that hasn't suprised me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    That once it become obvious it was serious why everything wasnt locked down at once.
    We seen what happened in China and Italy,and yet we waited.Everything should have been more organised.We knew it was coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I expected bad things since it hit Italy but I think the main thing that surprised me was how quickly most countries shut down their economies and prioritised the lives of people.

    I always feared something like this in the west would see a capitalism first approach and big business would decline to disrupt their flow of income but I've been really pleasantly surprised to see priorities largely in the right place for the world with some unfortunate exceptions in the UK and USA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    I thought that as the scale became more and more apparent the focus would switch from 'economy first' to 'people first'

    :(

    Are you serious? Do you not realise that the health and welfare outcomes for people are directly linked to having a functioning economy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    I passed it off as a bit of flu - quickly realised it was not. While flu is bad in its own right, this is as bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I wasnt expecting an outbreak in Europe at all. I'm still surprised by how apparently smaller scale the epidemics in the developing world appear to be, so far at least

    I was shocked by how it appeared to be confined to Hubei for such a long time, months, and then in the space of the week it seemed to be in every country in the world

    I was also surprised by the places it cropped up. Like it never took off in Hong Kong, one of the most densely populated and globalised urban areas on earth, same with other major cities like NYC and London took a long time to see cases, and one of the biggest epidemics so far took off in rural Italy, rural France and rural Germany and a provincial Iranian city


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Downlinz wrote: »
    I expected bad things since it hit Italy but I think the main thing that surprised me was how quickly most countries shut down their economies and prioritised the lives of people.

    I always feared something like this in the west would see a capitalism first approach and big business would decline to disrupt their flow of income but I've been really pleasantly surprised to see priorities largely in the right place for the world with some unfortunate exceptions in the UK and USA.

    The UK followed the advice of the scientific experts there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    never thought it would come to this, i thought it was a problem over there it would never come over here...but lo & behold


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,877 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    The UK followed the advice of the scientific experts there.

    More like 'of experts', because almost everywhere else and hell even in the UK experts were saying the opposite

    The speed of the spread at a certain point and the necessity of the response caught me off guard at the beginning, how do you know if it's just a handful of isolated cases or going to spread exponentially?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I expected this to stay in China, more or less the same way Ebola stayed in Africa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    I thought the outbreak might encourage people not to be dicks. Not the case seemingly.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The other big surprise for me is Vietnam getting hit properly because of Europe and not Korea / China. They were quick to lock stuff down there but too slow with Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I'd a sense it could come here but I didn't expect it to be this rapid and widespread. It's a real shock to the system to be quite honest and I'm finding the whole day today a bit stressful and becoming paranoid about a cold-type symptom I have which is probably not it, but it is still freaking me out.

    I'm at home though, so at least it's not going to be passed around much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    More like 'of experts', because almost everywhere else and hell even in the UK experts were saying the opposite

    The speed of the spread at a certain point and the necessity of the response caught me off guard at the beginning, how do you know if it's just a handful of isolated cases or going to spread exponentially?

    One group of scientists who were advising them, in UCL I believe, are the reason they changed tac the other day. They followed the advice of their experts the same way Ireland did. That's all they can ultimately do, unless they don't follow expert advice and make their own decisions, and be criticised for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 QuestionSpark


    Didn't think it would become so widespread. Thought it would stay 'over there'. Questioning my cold or whether it's something worse and anxiety levels on the rise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,321 ✭✭✭circadian


    I spent the best part of 2 months waiting for it to hit Ireland. So far I'm surprised by our response. It's been laid out what needs to be done and it's clear what is being asked of the nation. What doesn't surprise me is the amount of assholes who completely disregard the severity of this.

    It's sunk in recently that I'll probably catch it, most of us will. That's the plan. Just, catching it while controlling numbers. It's all very surreal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The UK followed the advice of the scientific experts there.
    'Experts' who used the wrong model to project the likely effect and thus vastly underestimated the effect of that advice. This error will cost lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Xertz wrote: »
    I'd a sense it could come here but I didn't expect it to be this rapid and widespread. It's a real shock to the system to be quite honest and I'm finding the whole day today a bit stressful and becoming paranoid about a cold-type symptom I have which is probably not it, but it is still freaking me out.

    I'm at home though, so at least it's not going to be passed around much.


    I'm the same, any slight cough and I'm trying to figure whether it's a dry one or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    'Experts' who used the wrong model to project the likely effect and thus vastly underestimated the effect of that advice. This error will cost lives.

    That's not the government's fault. They followed the advice given to them. As you'd expect of a government in such situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    I thought that as the scale became more and more apparent the focus would switch from 'economy first' to 'people first'
    dubstarr wrote: »
    That once it become obvious it was serious why everything wasnt locked down at once.

    People have and are being put before the economy.

    I wish people would stop calling for a full lockdown. It's not possible. The country needs food and medicine supply to continue. For those to stay running farmers, producers, processors, and distributors must stay running. For those to stay running, banks, petrol stations, public transport must stay running. For those to stay running.... well, you get the idea.

    Even in China and Italy things are still running. I'm in the stainless steel business. The vast majority of our suppliers are based in China and Italy. I have shipments coming in from both countries this week and all of our suppliers have been on to tell us it's business as usual.

    I can see retail and hospitality being shut down alright but a full lockdown is not possible.


    On a brighter note... could this help solve our housing crises? I expect thousands of rental properties hitting the market in the next week or so as the AirBnB industry implodes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    I really thought the EU would have had more of a bilateral agreement about health.
    That came as a shock at first.
    I can see that changing in the near future

    Just to add I didn't think Donald Trump could make things worse but he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    Scotty # wrote: »
    People have and are being put before the economy.

    I wish people would stop calling for a full lockdown. It's not possible. The country needs food and medicine supply to continue. For those to stay running farmers, producers, processors, and distributors must stay running. For those to stay running, banks, petrol stations, public transport must stay running. For those to stay running.... well, you get the idea.

    Even in China and Italy things are still running. I'm in the stainless steel business. The vast majority of our suppliers are based in China and Italy. I have shipments coming in from both countries this week and all of our suppliers have been on to tell us it's business as usual.

    I can see retail and hospitality being shut down alright but a full lockdown is not possible.


    On a brighter note... could this help solve our housing crises? I expect thousands of rental properties hitting the market in the next week or so as the AirBnB industry implodes.

    I know full lockdown is not possible.I mean travel should have been the first thing on the Govt minds.Not allowing people in or out.
    Its not like it popped up last week,its being going around for a while.And we have seen other countries buckle.Why wait till we needed to clamp down.Should have been done sooner is all im saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Scotty # wrote: »
    On a brighter note... could this help solve our housing crises? I expect thousands of rental properties hitting the market in the next week or so as the AirBnB industry implodes.

    Fingers crossed some of the more depraved landlords will be getting a swift kick up the hole!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,129 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    circadian wrote: »
    I spent the best part of 2 months waiting for it to hit Ireland. So far I'm surprised by our response. It's been laid out what needs to be done and it's clear what is being asked of the nation. What doesn't surprise me is the amount of assholes who completely disregard the severity of this.

    It's sunk in recently that I'll probably catch it, most of us will. That's the plan. Just, catching it while controlling numbers. It's all very surreal.

    Currently 0.003% of the world have caught it.

    (based on 200k people out of 6.6 billion worldwide. Locally, in Ireland it is 0.005%).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Currently 0.003% of the world have caught it tested positive.

    (based on 200k people out of 6.6 billion worldwide. Locally, in Ireland it is 0.005%).
    We simply don't know how many have caught it, but it's a darn sight more than 200k!! I would guess, at this stage, several million.

    (of which the vast majority will show only mild flu like symptoms).


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