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hoopla87 · 13-11-2019 9:20pm

Ace Attorney wrote: »

No i didn't have the 'information' day with them yet

attend the information day, make your appointment for the one on one session. politely decline entering into a contract with them. You have a right to decide what companies you enter into a contract with. You cannot be bullied or blackmailed into entering a contract against your will - though they will try and probably threaten but as long as you are willing to attend sessions arranged by the DEASP you are engaging and fulfilling contractual obligations to the DEASP.

I refused. Mine hasn't been cut yet. They are still trying to make me enter a contract but the law is on my side.

Deus Videt · 25-11-2019 8:29pm

I am seeing people saying refuse to sign the Job Path contract, but agree to comply with them. Does this actually work? Are you sanctioned for not signing? Legally can you refuse? Anyone any experience? Why would I trust a non government, outside agency to have my best interests at heart? I don't sign contracts lightly.

hoopla87 · 25-11-2019 8:51pm

I refused to sign last year, no sanction and they refused to engage with me since it meant they weren't getting paid.
I have refused to sign again recently as I was called up to the 'programme' for a second time.

You have the legal right to decide what contracts you enter into, that right is protected under the charter of fundamental right and to coerce/blackmail someone into entering a contract against their will is a criminal offence.

one thing you should be aware of is the fact that a contract does not just mean a signature on a piece of paper, it can also mean forming a digital contract - by accepting a name and passcode and signing onto their computers.

Always Tired · 25-11-2019 10:42pm

If you miss the information day they will just send another letter out for the next one, if you miss that one then they will say you're not engaging and probably sanction you.

They cant ring any employers without your permission as fas as I am aware. I am on my second stint with them, despite having got a job off my own back after the first stint ended, when the job ended they put me back onto jobpath 3 months later. It makes no sense as I dont need their help to get a job, and theyve never referred me to a single employer anyway. Where I live there just arent any jobs it's a joke. Hopefully I get something soon but if not, and they try to put me on a third time, I will refuse to sign anything again.

The dail voted to end the scheme. Regina the rat then was for some reason allowed to extend it for another year, why?

Because of Brexit. The excuse FG are going to use for everything under the sun now it seems. funny that brexit isnt bringing the rents down though, which would be a shame as half of FG TDs are landlords.

My new employment advisor was out sick last time, said they 'hope he would be back for my next appointment.' Looking on indeed a week later and they have an ad for seetec employment advisor up for my area. I'll be shocked if I dont have a new advisor again, which would be my 5th one. Including the manager who fills in when they dont turn up, that's six strangers Ive had to share my personal details with such as a chronic illness I have, with not one referral to a job yet. Last meeting they just opened up indeed and showed me a job I'd already applied for and that was it. They have now reduced meetings in the centre to monthly because there's no point, there are no jobs.

And it seems like the ones that do come in, the advisors are snatching them up for themselves, as they dont seem to want to stay working for jobpath. I don't blame them, how can they get commission when there are no jobs? But it's not fair on the clients really, and the fact my last advisor was literally on the scheme when they made him an advisor is a huge joke, totally underhanded way of them fattening their stats and pockets.

Plugguy · 26-11-2019 1:42am

Deus Videt wrote: »

I am seeing people saying refuse to sign the Job Path contract, but agree to comply with them. Does this actually work? Are you sanctioned for not signing? Legally can you refuse? Anyone any experience? Why would I trust a non government, outside agency to have my best interests at heart? I don't sign contracts lightly.

When you go in for your first meeting, they will talk to the group of you together at first. Then they will take you one by one, at this stage they will ask you to sign two documents, one is the Personal Progression Plan (PPP). The other is the Consent form. If you sign the consent form, then they have your permission to contact employers' on your behalf and to send out your CV. It is not obligatory to sign the consent form. There will be no sanctions if you don't sign it..You should sign the PPP, this is your agreement to comply with them.....This is what I did when I was called into them....Check out question 15 here http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath-Frequently-Asked-Questions-Jobseeker.aspx

Blue_Dabadee · 07-12-2019 2:06pm

I have been with them for past 5 months. It just seems like a massive waste of time since it basically a box ticking exercise with my employment advisor every 2-3 weeks to see if I applied for any jobs recently.

They boast about how they refer people to jobs that aren't publicly advertised, but so far they have not lived up to that expectation for me.

emanresu123 · 08-12-2019 1:46am

If a person was getting the WFP would they still have to go to Seetec?

Mules · 08-12-2019 1:54am

Gympodie wrote: »

Jeez, after doing a bit of researching - I am not hearing great things.

Any advice on how I should carry myself during the group session plus the one-on-one meetings?

If the apply for jobs for me, I hope they take into consideration that I don't drive and rely on public transport.

I found them fantastic to deal with. Maybe it was just the person I met with. Anyway, I had already applied for jobs and was just getting job seekers until I started the new job when I was referred to them. So I didn't need the service but they gave me tons of ideas anyway and they still keep in touch for a year after you've found employment to see how you are getting on.

hoopla87 · 08-12-2019 9:52am

emanresu123 wrote: »

If a person was getting the WFP would they still have to go to Seetec?

I’m not sure if someone on WFT can be called but I’m on casual dockets working reduced hours and was called up to it so probably.

splinter65 · 08-12-2019 10:00am

emanresu123 wrote: »

If a person was getting the WFP would they still have to go to Seetec?

No.

splinter65 · 08-12-2019 10:01am

hoopla87 wrote: »

I’m not sure if someone on WFT can be called but I’m on casual dockets working reduced hours and was called up to it so probably.

Job path is only for people on Jobseekers payments.

hoopla87 · 08-12-2019 10:11am

splinter65 wrote: »

Job path is only for people on Jobseekers payments.

Ok, like I said I didn’t know just assumed. Still don’t understand how someone on casual dockets is a ‘jobseeker’ but someone on wfp doing the same hours is not but I guess that’s our messed up system

splinter65 · 08-12-2019 10:32am

hoopla87 wrote: »

Ok, like I said I didn’t know just assumed. Still don’t understand how someone on casual dockets is a ‘jobseeker’ but someone on wfp doing the same hours is not but I guess that’s our messed up system

It’s open to you to drop your claim for jobseekers and claim WFP instead if you/your partner combined are working at least 19 hours per week and have dependent children.
It’s up to you really.
Plus, if you/your partner do drop your jobseekers claims entirely and apply for WFP instead (or find full time jobs) then you can get BTWFD too which means that whatever amount you are getting now for dependent kids on your Jobseekers claim, you get to keep 100% for first year and 50% for second year.
The BTWFD will not be considered in the means test for WFP.
Summary, any claim you have for Jobseekers means you are subject to JobPath.
WFP is not a jobseekers payment.

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 3:57am

Anyone else get told now telephone calls in a text message, no meetings, thought it would be suspended on hold for a few months

dhaughton99 · 03-04-2020 8:47pm

Nows the time to pull the plug on these schemes. These are jobs which should be paid a proper living wage.

Cherry Blossom · 03-04-2020 9:44pm

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Nows the time to pull the plug on these schemes. These are jobs which should be paid a proper living wage.

What are talking about? Job path isn't work, its supposedly looking for work.

dhaughton99 · 03-04-2020 10:02pm

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

What are talking about? Job path isn't work, its supposedly looking for work.

Sorry, meant TUS and CE.

Cherry Blossom · 03-04-2020 10:12pm

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Sorry, meant TUS and CE.

CE is paid at a minimum rate of approx €11.50 per hour. The jobs are in no way stressful and the participants do important community work that would otherwise only be done by volunteers or not at all. These are jobs that there would be no funding for otherwise. The CE schemes around the country are excellent and well run. Many community based organisations would be lost without them. I don't know much about Tus but I would assume similar applies.

Worztron · 07-10-2022 7:26am

Are folk having to go back into the TN offices again or is it still phone calls only from them due to CV19?

Sardonicat · 07-10-2022 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/113049261#Comment_113049261

Such rot! CE schemes exist to keep those running them in jobs. The supervisors on those schemes get much more than €11.50 an hour, believe me. I know of one scheme intended to assist in the upgrade of older people's homes and the supervisor used the the ce workers as free labour on his own properties. One chap offered me a place on 'his' scheme and when I asked him what the scheme was for he couldn't answer! I went on a scheme as a homework tutor in an afterschool programme. Thought it would be a great opportunity to do something worthwhile and open new employment opportunities after. I was cooking and cleaning. If I got to help one kid with homework on any day I was lucky.

8 ball pool · 07-10-2022 11:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/113049261#Comment_113049261

just hope you dont find cleaning scuttery toilets stressful,i was on a tus scheme and i had to do that,i left after a month,

the guy who was over me at tus was sound about it

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