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Green Party activists told don’t use 'big words' when talking to rural voters

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    Apparently the reason the Green Party didn't get votes in rural Ireland is because they use too many big words when canvassing outside urban areas?

    https://amp.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Well, I'm convinced anyway:D

    Choking on my Shakespeare reading that... how the fck do these loolas get elected..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Choking on my Shakespeare reading that... how the fck do these loolas get elected..

    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...

    You assume the person who's decided the words are too complicated has a clue what the realities are also, aside from they sound like nice important buzzwords from similarly minded people in a circle jerk with the new age woke meaning of encouraging people to 'create better outcomes'. Wtf does that even mean?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...

    Don't fear Buford, I think I have some of these big words sussed. I'll share my learning with you.

    Biodiversity - weeds
    Recyclable - can be fcked into the green bin
    Compostable - can be fcked out into the field.
    Energy efficient - shopping around for the best deals on diesel and coal.

    If I learn more fancy words I'll let ya know :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...

    And they still can't understand why people won't vote for them.. :D



    How long will it take for the penny to drop?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Isn't that communication 101, adapt your language to your audience?
    The world is far to concerned with buzz words these days, some use them to seem smart, virtuous while others use them to trigger a response. If you took any speech made by opposition politicians and removed the buzzwords they would sound stupid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    You assume the person who's decided the words are too complicated has a clue what the realities are also, aside from they sound like nice important buzzwords from similarly minded people in a circle jerk with the new age woke meaning of encouraging people to 'create better outcomes'. Wtf does that even mean?

    There used to be a punk band called circle jerks. I've a lady on my LinkedIn profile who's always liking articles about corporate sustainability. It's complete rubbish.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I saw the Green lady herself on Twitter trying to defend this. She claimed she meant no more than use plain English or non-BS when talking to us culchies.

    It’s a compliment in one way. I’d be more insulted if I was a townie and she assumed she could just use big words and BS to impress me!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭I says


    Apparently the reason the Green Party didn't get votes in rural Ireland is because they use too many big words when canvassing outside urban areas?

    https://amp.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Well, I'm convinced anyway:D

    What a fatuousness dunderhead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...

    More to the point - she should have issued them copies of John B Keane's book "Letters of a successful TD" - goes much further than just wearing the GAA jersey while canvassing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,506 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I says wrote: »
    What a fatuousness dunderhead.

    They're 2 very big words, break it down please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Don't say "buzzword" to a farmer. They'll think you said "buzzard".

    :)

    Not your ornery onager



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    More to the point - she should have issued them copies of John B Keane's book "Letters of a successful TD" - goes much further than just wearing the GAA jersey while canvassing.

    It’d be an education for her to read any of John B Keane’s novels. He captures rural life and presents people in a way you won’t get from official CSO records of the time.

    But sure he’s only another culchie, not from the right literary set

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    whelan2 wrote: »
    They're 2 very big words, break it down please

    Kerry Cow will explain - she's "educated"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    It’d be an education for her to read any of John B Keane’s novels. He captures rural life and presents people in a way you won’t get from official CSO records of the time.

    But sure he’s only another culchie, not from the right literary set

    It certainly wouldn't hurt anyway.

    The frightening thing for me is this came from official GP policy on canvassing.

    So all those canvassing were told this and not one of them thought to question this directive?

    That's quite a distance they have to go to reach voters in rural Ireland because that's quite a high horse they're currently riding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭hiddenmongoose


    The arrogance of this woman is unreal, sure we are all cave dwellers once you leave the pale!!

    Has anyone had any interaction with green party members calling to their farms?
    https://www.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It certainly wouldn't hurt anyway.

    The frightening thing for me is this came from official GP policy on canvassing.

    So all those canvassing were told this and not one of them thought to question this directive?

    That's quite a distance they have to go to reach voters in rural Ireland because that's quite a high horse they're currently riding.

    I’d have given the benefit of the doubt to grassroots members of the Greens, assuming they were far removed from the Dublin leadership—as is the case with all other political parties. But as you say, the fact that none of them questioned this canvassing advice says much about their view of their neighbours and peers.

    You’d have to wonder though if other political parties offered similar canvassing advice when it came to talking to the plebs? E.g. would those seeking inner-city votes have been told to dumb it down when walking around housing estates? Or is it just the Greens who have such snobbish airs and graces?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    The arrogance of this woman is unreal, sure we are all cave dwellers once you leave the pale!!

    Has anyone had any interaction with green party members calling to their farms?
    https://www.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html

    You left out the’and travellers’ bit. Does this imply that in the eyes of the Green Party rural voters are just another ethnic minority? Sorry about all the big words, hope no one here is confused now 💩

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    I’d have given the benefit of the doubt to grassroots members of the Greens, assuming they were far removed from the Dublin leadership—as is the case with all other political parties. But as you say, the fact that none of them questioned this canvassing advice says much about their view of their neighbours and peers.

    You’d have to wonder though if other political parties offered similar canvassing advice when it came to talking to the plebs? E.g. would those seeking inner-city votes have been told to dumb it down when walking around housing estates? Or is it just the Greens who have such snobbish airs and graces?

    I would think myself most parties are the same Siamsa. At the end of the day it's about getting your vote and telling you what you want to hear when you ask them questions or bring up an issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    I actually googled scientology after reading this thread. I've no idea why I done that but there were phrases like utopia, green deal and sending the little people off to be re-educated on how to live your life in a wolf friendly way. I was imagining Eamonn Ryan's head being preserved with electrical wires coming out of it in 100 years time and it being like the oracle of all knowledge. And an annual celebration where people are given their yearly supply of food tablets and government approved clothing.

    I feel really fcked up now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    The arrogance of this woman is unreal, sure we are all cave dwellers once you leave the pale!!

    Has anyone had any interaction with green party members calling to their farms?
    https://www.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html

    They never canvassed out as far as here.

    I assume they ran out of small words before they could get here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    All green party members will be encouraged to attain the five elements.

    Convergence - align your inner green tendencies to the party manifesto of elevated thought.
    Universalism - Learn to converse with both urbanites and our ethnic country friends.
    Nutrition - Attain skills at rooting out meat eaters.
    Trees - Learn how to speak in a respectful way to trees avoiding phrases that upset trees. Also learn how to plant trees and what a spade is used for.
    Sustainability - Learn how to make your sh1te smell of lavender so you can save on bogroll.

    The five principles or C-U-N-T-$ for brevity, will be available after your monthly direct debit is set up by your employer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    NcdJd wrote: »
    I would think myself most parties are the same Siamsa. At the end of the day it's about getting your vote and telling you what you want to hear when you ask them questions or bring up an issue.

    Would agree...

    The greens seem to be extremely naive...

    You have Ryan and his reintroducing wolves, which I know was taken out of context - but as a politician he should have seen how it would play out...

    Then you have this muck on how to talk to county people :)

    Is there anyone with an ounce of media awareness in there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    Would agree...

    The greens seem to be extremely naive...

    You have Ryan and his reintroducing wolves, which I know was taken out of context - but as a politician he should have seen how it would play out...

    Then you have this muck on how to talk to county people :)

    Is there anyone with an ounce of media awareness in there?

    I know I've been joking about it but it is very insulting thing to say and again just shows how aloof they are from the general public. There's just an arrogance there that they have all the answers and everyone else is stupid and needs to be educated.

    Edit They haven't a bull's notion what biodiversity is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Apparently the reason the Green Party didn't get votes in rural Ireland is because they use too many big words when canvassing outside urban areas?

    https://amp.independent.ie/news/green-party-activists-told-dont-use-big-words-when-talking-to-rural-voters-and-travellers-39583179.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Well, I'm convinced anyway:D

    I know that family. Just goes to show how careful you need to choose your words.
    Political careers can end with a wrongly choosen sentence...........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭The Rabbi


    A fool knows everything that he knows.
    A smart man knows more,but more importantly,how little he knows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭endainoz


    And the greens wonder how farmers don't trust them. I did vote green in the GE but she didn't get in.

    This type of language is just insulting intelligence, even if she does come from a rural background.

    With all that being said though, the Irish Independent is a rag of a paper that pretends to be a broadsheet. They are also experts in pushing people's prejudices. This article achieves all of that. BUT the quotes are there, and she'd badly want to clarify these comments soon to save any bit of credibility.

    Any hope there would be a party that has green policies that isn't led by Eamon Ryan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    endainoz wrote: »
    And the greens wonder how farmers don't trust them. I did vote green in the GE but she didn't get in.

    This type of language is just insulting intelligence, even if she does come from a rural background.

    With all that being said though, the Irish Independent is a rag of a paper that pretends to be a broadsheet. They are also experts in pushing people's prejudices. This article achieves all of that. BUT the quotes are there, and she'd badly want to clarify these comments soon to save any bit of credibility.

    Any hope there would be a party that has green policies that isn't led by Eamon Ryan?

    Apparently, it's just the Clare rural voters...
    https://twitter.com/RoisinGarvey/status/1312378815356768256?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Bog Man 1


    NcdJd wrote: »
    All green party members will be encouraged to attain the five elements.

    Convergence - align your inner green tendencies to the party manifesto of elevated thought.
    Universalism - Learn to converse with both urbanites and our ethnic country friends.
    Nutrition - Attain skills at rooting out meat eaters.
    Trees - Learn how to speak in a respectful way to trees avoiding phrases that upset trees. Also learn how to plant trees and what a spade is used for.
    Sustainability - Learn how to make your sh1te smell of lavender so you can save on bogroll.

    The five principles or C-U-N-T-$ for brevity, will be available after your monthly direct debit is set up by your employer.

    You cannot say spade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Bog Man 1 wrote: »
    You cannot say spade.

    HELLOOOO BOG MAN. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭I says


    whelan2 wrote: »
    They're 2 very big words, break it down please

    Stupid not correct or carefully thought out and the other is a posher name for brain dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭oneten


    Would agree...

    The greens seem to be extremely naive...

    You have Ryan and his reintroducing wolves, which I know was taken out of context - but as a politician he should have seen how it would play out...

    Then you have this muck on how to talk to county people :)

    Is there anyone with an ounce of media awareness in there?

    i dont think it was taken out of context at all , the smirking jackass actually advocated the reintroduction of wolves to ireland to keep down the deer population ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    oneten wrote: »
    i dont think it was taken out of context at all , the smirking jackass actually advocated the reintroduction of wolves to ireland to keep down the deer population ,

    Maybe - I though it was asked as a hypothetical type question and he foolishly answered he’d like to see wolves return in his lifetime... I didn’t think it was promoted as an actual green policy...
    But I don’t have the link where I read it, so I stand to be corrected oneten...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭oneten


    He was quiet serious
    opinion piece in the examiner , good take on it
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/arid-30954770.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    She said it herself, they used words like climate change and biodiversity in rural areas instead of using words like hedges and sparrows and heat. Those big words should only be used with people that understand them, I assume...

    I think the next time one of these eejits rocks up the door- I'm going to happily conform to their existing prejudices on the use of 'big' words such as biodiversity

    Green party person: Hi I'm here to canvas your vote. The birds are very important you know ...

    Me. Begowah awisha - is it yourself? I've heard tell on de wireless- that the big thing now is this thing - 'biodiversity'. Does that come with the birds included? Now would I be getting that at the local co-op or is it that your selling it yourself*?

    Rinse and repeat till they fek off ... ;)

    *Narrated in the voice of the Leprechaun from Darby O'Gill and the Little People ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    gozunda wrote: »
    I think the next time one of these eejits rocks up the door- I'm going to happily conform to their existing prejudices on the use of 'big' words such as biodiversity

    Green party person: Hi I'm here to canvas your vote. The birds are very important you know ...

    Me. Begowah awisha - is it yourself? I've heard tell on de wireless- that the big thing now is this thing - 'biodiversity'. Does that come with the birds included? Now would I be getting that at the local co-op or is it that your selling it yourself?

    Rinse and repeat till they fek off ... ;)

    They don't canvass out here.

    I'm assuming they are disoriented by the lack of footpaths and street lighting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So they come out to stat that they need to change their language from the idealogical to the practical, and people have an issue with that?

    If people really understood the implications of things like Climate change and the changing bio-diversity then they wouldn't simply glaze over and vote for the guy that fixes the pot-holes.

    That they continue to do so would indicate that they are not understanding the real message. So at least the Green Party is taking the view that rather than blame the person, blame the message. So adjust that message to the audience.

    Seems like they have listened and are trying to change.

    hardly something to have a go at them for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So they come out to stat that they need to change their language from the idealogical to the practical, and people have an issue with that?If people really understood the implications of things like Climate change and the changing bio-diversity then they wouldn't simply glaze over and vote for the guy that fixes the pot-holes.That they continue to do so would indicate that they are not understanding the real message. So at least the Green Party is taking the view that rather than blame the person, blame the message. So adjust that message to the audience.Seems like they have listened and are trying to change.

    hardly something to have a go at them for.

    No they don't. They start by pushing brain farts as part of their politicised environmental agenda and continue by being condescending twats with the impression anyone outside the environs of D4 or thereabouts need talked down to. They can go an fuk off.

    Farmers more than most are aware of many of the very real issues of biodivesity and climate change. Check the forum if you are in any doubt.

    Removing the foot from their mouth would be a start ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They are saying that their message isn't resonating with the farmers, which given that are you state that farmers are more than most aware it is odd that it isn't aligning with them. So something needs to be done.

    It would appear that they accept they have a communication problem, summed up by your view on them, and they are trying to fix that.

    Would you prefer if they simply continue on with their current ways?

    Farmers and those in the country should be the core demographic of the green party, particularly in a country that sells itself on its greenness. But they have nearly no impact, which is either down to the people in the party, the message or the voters. Looks to me that they are trying to change the message since they cna't really do much about the other two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    They are saying that their message isn't resonating with the farmers, which given that are you state that farmers are more than most aware it is odd that it isn't aligning with them. So something needs to be done.

    It would appear that they accept they have a communication problem, summed up by your view on them, and they are trying to fix that.

    Would you prefer if they simply continue on with their current ways?

    Farmers and those in the country should be the core demographic of the green party, particularly in a country that sells itself on its greenness. But they have nearly no impact, which is either down to the people in the party, the message or the voters. Looks to me that they are trying to change the message since they cna't really do much about the other two.

    Its not hard to understand. The "green party" have shown that they have little or any clue about the environment. And that's why it doesn't resonate with voters - not just farmers btw.

    They are first and foremost a left wing political party. They are certainly not the 'environment' or even anything even close.

    My abiding rule in voting is dont vote for the eejits and no matter what the sound bites I'm going to stick to that. Thanks.

    Edit. I note you've moved your position that farmers don't understand environmental issues to the fact that they do and therefore should jump into bed with the green party lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I never said Farmers don't understand the issues, can you point out where I said that.

    You don't think the Green party have any clue about the environment, yet you claim they are the condescending ones!

    Of course it resonates with voters, they have been in government twice, and in the main their initial ideas were taken by the larger parties.

    They are pushing for a better environmental focus across all agencies. More cycle paths, public transport, investment in green energy etc etc. Have they made mistakes, of course, show me the party that hasn't.

    I don't know why it doesn't resontate, my guess if that farmers have put in huge amount of work and investment to get our produce to the excellent level it is and having to listen to people talk about how we need to drastically reduce our energy consumption, need to move away from some of the farming practices that are currently used, well I doubt that is an easy sell.. Especially when they see other countries not taking similar action.

    But the OP was about the Greeen party looking to change their message to try to resonate better. I fail to see how anyone can view that in a negative light. Whether it works or not, only time will tell. But I see it as refreshing honesty from a political party that is looking at themselves rather than blaming others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    They want to see the destruction of your livelihoods and way of life

    Turkeys voting for Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    I never said Farmers don't understand the issues, can you point out where I said that.

    You don't think the Green party have any clue about the environment, yet you claim they are the condescending ones!

    Of course it resonates with voters, they have been in government twice, and in the main their initial ideas were taken by the larger parties.

    They are pushing for a better environmental focus across all agencies. More cycle paths, public transport, investment in green energy etc etc. Have they made mistakes, of course, show me the party that hasn't.

    I don't know why it doesn't resontate, my guess if that farmers have put in huge amount of work and investment to get our produce to the excellent level it is and having to listen to people talk about how we need to drastically reduce our energy consumption, need to move away from some of the farming practices that are currently used, well I doubt that is an easy sell.. Especially when they see other countries not taking similar action.

    But the OP was about the Greeen party looking to change their message to try to resonate better. I fail to see how anyone can view that in a negative light. Whether it works or not, only time will tell. But I see it as refreshing honesty from a political party that is looking at themselves rather than blaming others.

    Is there any green party policy that is good for farmers?
    I can think of a good few that specifically negatively target farmers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    I never said Farmers don't understand the issues, can you point out where I said that.

    Here in the context of talking about farmers -
    Leroy42 wrote:
    If people really understood the implications of things like Climate change and the changing bio-diversity then they wouldn't simply glaze over and vote for the guy that fixes the pot-holes.
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    ...You don't think the Green party have any clue about the environment, yet you claim they are the condescending ones!Of course it resonates with voters, they have been in government twice, and in the main their initial ideas were taken by the larger parties.They are pushing for a better environmental focus across all agencies. More cycle paths, public transport, investment in green energy etc etc. Have they made mistakes, of course, show me the party that hasn't.
    I don't know why it doesn't resontate, my guess if that farmers have put in huge amount of work and investment to get our produce to the excellent level it is and having to listen to people talk about how we need to drastically reduce our energy consumption, need to move away from some of the farming practices that are currently used, well I doubt that is an easy sell.. Especially when they see other countries not taking similar action.But the OP was about the Greeen party looking to change their message to try to resonate better. I fail to see how anyone can view that in a negative light. Whether it works or not, only time will tell. But I see it as refreshing honesty from a political party that is looking at themselves rather than blaming others.

    Thank you for the party political broadcast...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    I feel a rant coming on.. I think I'll power up oul betsy the computer so I have a keyboard for my fat fingers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    I was on the Green Party website there looking at the environmental protection area. Lots of nice ideals working with farmers to improve biodiversity and environmental protection, banning pesticides, single use plastics etc etc. Nothing I don't agree with in a perfect world.

    A few realities need to be stated with regard to food production here and elsewhere in the world.

    The only reason there is agriculture on this planet is to feed people. You grow crops to go directly to consumers or to animals which eventually end up in the gob of the consumer. This is the way it is. There's no magic tablet anyone can take to keep themselves full. With that in mind land needs to be farmed at the expense unfortunately of our local wildlife populations. There's no getting around this, when you put something in your mouth as food it was produced at the expense of biodiversity. So you by putting that piece of fruit, veg or meat in your gob has contributed to the loss of biodiversity. Same way when you mow your lawn or decide to purchase a new house or get your garden all decked or complain that the briars are sticking out on your cycle path and the council sends out a hedge cutter to resolve your complain. All of it results in a loss of biodiversity. All human activity results in the loss of biodiversity. Picking out farmers is easy as it means you can easily blame the bogey man / or woman farmer and excuse everything else that you do that contributes to biodiversity loss. That new greenway that you applaud has resulted in biodiversity loss and disturbance of nature.

    That lady, Roisin whatever her name is.. I looked on her twitter account and one of her tweets was about organising an event which including seed bombing... this is ridiculous... does she know what seeds were in these bombs ? where did they come from... all that's required is that the ground is left and not cut every bloody 2 weeks... ridiculous pie in the sky oh look at me I'm flinging seed bombs in the name of biodiversity... f off.

    I saw a recent article about the invasive oak moth species been discovered on Oak trees that were planted by a council as part of their "biodiversity" program. These trees came from Holland. Why did they not get native Irish oak trees provided by Irish producers ? What are the greens doing about if I want to purchase 200 trees from Choilte and look at their catalogue… which I have.. there are European hawthorn trees instead of Irish hawthorn tress ? The greens were lauding the extensive planting along new roads of trees. I look at the hawthorn trees in spring and the flower about 3 weeks before native Irish ones... Again carbon foot print and the risks of another disease that is currently wiping out our native Ash trees.... ignored as fck the Irish producer.

    They want a reduction in dairy herds and less cattle... this is a good one... lets reduce the agricultural production area of this country and plant more trees. Lets look at that for a moment. Friend of mine is currently producing a little under 1000 acres of vegetables of various types for supply to supermarkets. Some of machinery involved in doing this would cost more than the average suburban home. He's up to his eyeballs all the time, gets paid very small margins for his produce which is why he has so much under production. His father had 40 / 50 acres growing more or less the same vegetables and put all his kids through school... yet his son has to upscale to a huge area so he can put his kids through school after what's left paying workers and machinery bills.... Do you not think there is something wrong in that ? What have or will the Greens do about that ? Nothing.... it would mean people would have to pay more for their food and that would not be popular. Farmers are not even on the bottom rung of the ladder and everyone just keeps on kicking them in the head while they are flat on the ground just breaking even as far as I can see.

    People need to look at their own contributions to Biodiversity loss / Climate change etc... Remember - Agriculture only exists to feed people... I don't even know why most farmers bother anymore.... easy for someone sitting in an office munching on their blueberries that got flown in from South America and posting bull**** on social media whinging about the stupid dumb cnt farmers... Or going into the supermarkets and paying sweet **** all for produce that has a lot of hard work behind it.

    As far as I can see... and you can check out the Nature on the Farm thread... the only people that give a f about wildlife and do practical things to help out things is farmers and some wildlife enthusiasts .. Most of the country wouldn't know a buzzard from a sparrow hawk... yet they find it ok to lecture people who see these things everyday from the comfort of offices in Dublin or wherever they are...

    Farmers are currently on the ground, as far as I'm concerned the Green Party just want to give them a kick in the head instead of helping them up or walking away. There is nothing I can see that the Green Party are doing to address proper pricing for food producers so they are not squeezing every inch of ground to make a reasonable living, acknowledging the fact that farmers are more bloody aware of biodiversity then most and not treating people as thick cnts cause they assume we are all bloody muck savages who know nothing other than turning a key in a tractor or what time the milk lorry is coming in at.

    /Rant over

    And to Leroy, this is not a rant against you personally. At least you posted in here and tried to explain your point of view.


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    And one more other thing which I forgot to mention... being a left leaning party why aren't they taking issue with all the vegetables coming in from Spain everyday that are grown using basically slave labour ? This is why a Spanish courgette displayed next to an Irish courgette is cheaper....

    If I wanted to get 5 acres ready now to plant garlic bulbs for harvest next year I'd struggle to get an outlet for them.... yet there are tons of Garlic coming in every week from China been sold in supermarkets all over the country that is being processed by Chinese prisoners in prisons... they peal it with their mouths after the acid in the garlic dissolves away their finger nails....

    But it's grand it's cheap and the supermarkets wouldn't be buying **** that was produced by slave labour or forced labour....

    Again fck Irish producers they should be growing trees for people to look at.


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    oneten wrote: »
    i dont think it was taken out of context at all , the smirking jackass actually advocated the reintroduction of wolves to ireland to keep down the deer population ,

    I was talking to a man yesterday who's very into his shooting and deer stalking. He also happens to have well connected buddies. He reckoned NPWS has 5,000 applications in for deer stalking, but to date have only managed to process 2,000 of them. In his own case, he cannot legally go shoot deer at the moment as his application isn't processed.

    Clearly, and as usual in most stuff they deal with, NPWS is at fault for deer over population, fast track the applications and let the problem be dealt with.

    That I have met NPWS rangers at rewilding events is entire coincidental I am sure.


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