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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #6992
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the electoral colleges votes are not counted until Jan 6th. He wont have months.

    and it was you that mentioned an afternoon. if having your nonsense thrown back at you is painful then perhaps stop writing said nonsense.

    Ya, the process itself starts once all the poll the calls are finally in. (Today oddly enough) Be pedantic to suit your own argument but isn't worth much.

    Ask me again in a week or two if Trump hasn't conceded and then i will perhaps be less sympathetic to him.

    Due process be damned huh.


  • #6993
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,221 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Do you have deep insider knowledge that transition must start NOW else its Dooooomed?


    No. Ya don't.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/former-bush-chief-of-staff-cites-9/11-warns-about-slow-transition.html

    “The 9/11 Commission had said if there had been a longer transition and there had been cooperation, there might have been a better response, or maybe not even any attack,” the former chief of staff said. “This is very serious, so we’re calling on the president to open up the transition office, give the money out, let people start transitioning, and get ready to take the baton at January 20th at noontime, even if we don’t know the full results.”


  • #6994
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,711 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Ya, the process itself starts once all the poll the calls are finally in. (Today oddly enough) Be pedantic to suit your own argument but isn't worth much.

    Ask me again in a week or two if Trump hasn't conceded and then i will perhaps be less sympathetic to him.

    Due process be damned huh.

    What due process? What are you talking about?

    Giving access to Biden to start the transition doesn't mean that, if the election was overturned, that Biden would have to be POTUS.


  • #6995
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    The reality of the situation is the US could likely have saved about 3/4s of those that died - around 190k and rising daily - had trump not failed so spectacularly here. He simply chose not to because work is hard.

    The irony there is that he REALLY could have used some of those largely elderly voters a few weeks ago. Georgia, Arizona and Pittsburgh are all in the top 11 states for total deaths.


  • #6996
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You claimed 1 month is fine. My evidence is that all recent transitions have taken place over a number of month, not less than 1.

    So the burden of proof is very much on you to show why previous administrations have dragded it out and where you see them being able to safely do it.

    You have not provided anything to show that you understand what is required and thus how it can be accomplished.

    I have no doubt Biden will manage to get it done, but the key question is why should he have to? What positive impact on the US is refusing to give him the normal access? Is there any other reason that Trump feels a bit butt hurt?

    Whether they need it or not, I can see no argument that it make the US better off by refusing it.

    Its a daft argument. Both know Jack sh.t about the truth of it so lets not pretend we do.


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  • #6997
    What.Now
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭What.Now


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Its easy to have an intern punch a few lines on Twitter.

    Telling the paranoid American public, who's citizens actually maintain private armies should personal freedoms and liberty become in any way threatened whatsever by the government to "Wear a mask" is another thing.


    Well, I suppose biden will trot some socially responsible and virtuose line out "Encouraging" the american public to wear a mask when in office but it won't be an instruction and thus will be largely ignored by those who don't want to and that will be a further point of tension between the two sides and then Biden will be seen as weak and so on and so forth etc.


    Idealistic nonsense to think Biden will be much different than Trump. He will just sell it differently.

    What are you talking about?

    You insinuated that Biden would not do what he preached yet he demonstrated and is constantly demonstrating that he is currently doing what he preaches.

    Do you agree?.

    If so, good we are getting places.

    You can then follow up with a different point if you so wish.

    The point I think you wish to follow up on is that it won't make any difference if he requests people to wear masks.


  • #6998
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    The reality of the situation is the US could likely have saved about 3/4s of those that died - around 190k and rising daily - had trump not failed so spectacularly here. He simply chose not to because work is hard.

    The irony there is that he REALLY could have used some of those largely elderly voters a few weeks ago. Georgia, Arizona and Pittsburgh are all in the top 11 states for total deaths.

    You really believe this?

    Christ.

    I am no trumpite (honestly) but i can't get behind stuff like this and its outrageous accusation of this ilk that make me sympathise with him to some extent.

    Just wowsers.


  • #6999
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    What.Now wrote: »
    What are you talking about?

    You insinuated that Biden would not do what he preached yet he demonstrated and is constantly demonstrating that he is currently doing what he preaches.

    Do you agree?.

    If so, good we are getting places.

    You can then follow up with a different point if you so wish.

    The point I think you wish to follow up on is that it won't make any difference if he requests people to wear masks.


    Using twitter is doing something?

    I thought POTUS Twitter usage is what upsets you lot so much in the 1st place?


  • #7000
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,711 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Its a daft argument. Both know Jack sh.t about the truth of it so lets not pretend we do.

    But we do. We both know that al recent transitions have taken longer than the 1 month you seem to suggest (which is a shift from your previous position that it was not really necessary at all).

    Try to deal with some of the issues we know they will have to deal with.

    Get a heads up on the situation with PPE.
    Get a read on the current heads of departments, some of which will be retiring/moving on and need to be placed, some of which will need to be replaced.
    What departments are facing overall shortages, need reassignments from other agencies.
    What internal threats have been identified by the FBI.
    What are the ket exteral threats identified by the CIA?
    Waht areas of the county are suffering fro COVID, and need additional resources, which can be reduced?
    What allies need immediate communication, what type, with who?
    What countries pse the biggest threats?
    Which sectors or the economy need most help?
    What is happening with Crime?
    What is happening with the war on drugs?
    What are the biggest economic pressures facing the country?
    What is the state of play in terms of energy availability?
    What threats are facing the military abroad?
    What is the state of play in terms of the COVID stimulos package?
    Are there any urgent issues with nuclear facilities?
    What about public health? Has there been any breakouts in terms of water treatment etc.
    What are the key infrastructure issues and why are they still unresolved?

    Just off the top my head


  • #7001
    What.Now
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭What.Now


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Using twitter is doing something?

    I thought POTUS Twitter usage is what upsets you lot so much in the 1st place?

    What is your point about Twitter?


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  • #7002
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

    Its a huge deal. Voting needs to be trusted and transparent and honest regardless of who or what is up for election.

    The idea that the last US election has been anything but trusted, transparent and honest has yet to stand up in any court where such a case has been presented. If the vote is so obviously crooked, then it would be a much easier case to make with lots of supporting evidence.


  • #7003
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    briany wrote: »
    The idea that the last US election has been anything but trusted, transparent and honest has yet to stand up in any court where such a case has been presented. If the vote is so obviously crooked, then it would be a much easier case to make with lots of supporting evidence.

    I wonder what Lindsey Graham has been up to in Georgia.


  • #7004
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,315 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Someone is lying here but if I were a betting man I'd say Graham has pants on fire. WTF is he up to? Mr "States Rights" is interfering in State business that has nothing to do with him.

    .


  • #7005
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I wonder what Lindsey Graham has been up to in Georgia.

    Georgia or George?
    Lindsey is a snake, no one should trust him.

    Hopefully Biden starts an investigation on him.


  • #7006
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,640 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    You think being prepared will take 2+ months?

    It'll take an afternoon around the oval table with key stakeholders..
    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    Its a daft argument. Both know Jack sh.t about the truth of it so lets not pretend we do.

    Then why, in your previous post, are you pretending that you do know?


  • #7007
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,785 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Roger the cabin boy wrote:
    Do you have deep insider knowledge that transition must start NOW else its Dooooomed?

    Roger the cabin boy wrote:
    Its a daft argument. Both know Jack sh.t about the truth of it so lets not pretend we do.

    Roger the cabin boy wrote:
    I am no trumpite (honestly) but i can't get behind stuff like this and its outrageous accusation of this ilk that make me sympathise with him to some extent.

    Roger the cabin boy wrote:
    I expect accusation of trolling to be coming soon enough (as is usual for somebody who dares to row against the internet tides) so i will lay back in the hay as it were.
    Constantly insulting. Good to hear you are taking a break.


  • #7008
    py2006
    Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    The Concession speech we should have got: (skip to 5:40)



  • #7009
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules against Team Trump, have they been successful in any court case recently?


  • #7010
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,500 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules against Team Trump, have they been successful in any court case recently?

    any links for this? I can't see anything on CCN, BBC or AP.


  • #7011
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,548 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    any links for this? I can't see anything on CCN, BBC or AP.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/17/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-ballot-observation/index.html


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  • #7012
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    any links for this? I can't see anything on CCN, BBC or AP.

    Might be the following they are referring to

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/nov/17/us-election-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-covid-19-live-updates?page=with%3Ablock-5fb43c108f08b4f3c5674a31

    Philadelphia election officials did not improperly block Donald Trump’s campaign from observing the counting of mail-in ballots, the Pennsylvania supreme court ruled 5-2 on Tuesday, a major blow to the president’s already flailing legal efforts.


  • #7013
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    any links for this? I can't see anything on CCN, BBC or AP.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-election-results-rudy-giuliani-hearing-case-williamsport-20201117.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true


  • #7014
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,500 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    https://www.inquirer.com/news/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-election-results-rudy-giuliani-hearing-case-williamsport-20201117.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

    is that the case that Rudy argued personally?


  • #7015
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules against Team Trump, have they been successful in any court case recently?

    They are currently 1-25, and as I recall the 1 was a ruling to continue segregating votes that were already segregated.

    The best people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


  • #7016
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    is that the case that Rudy argued personally?

    No for that one, the judge hasn't ruled yet as far as I can see, but open to correction.


  • #7017
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    NEW: U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has tested positive for coronavirus

    He must be getting close to 90.
    Edit, he's 87.


  • #7018
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,941 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Rudy is making a show of himself in court, and given the bar was set pretty low after Borat, that's saying something.

    Meanwhile,

    https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1328548571189284864?s=19

    It is utterly ridiculous that Trump hasn't conceded. Ridiculous.

    No sane person can say otherwise


  • #7019
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Rudy is making a show of himself in court, and given the bar was set pretty low after Borat, that's saying something.

    Meanwhile,

    https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1328548571189284864?s=19

    It is utterly ridiculous that Trump hasn't conceded. Ridiculous.

    No sane person can say otherwise

    No. Thousands of votes shouldn't be going missing. It's clear that the investigations and the recounts need to be completed now since so many votes have been missed even if all they do is extend Biden's lead.


  • #7020
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    They are currently 1-25, and as I recall the 1 was a ruling to continue segregating votes that were already segregated.

    The best people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Trump fans, conservatives and Republicans have spent significant time saying that they trust the American Justice System and the American Justice System should have a say in the fraud which was carried out in the election.

    The American Justice System is having its say, and it's telling Trump to GTF.


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  • #7021
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Rudy really turning the screw now. Trump will be declared the winner soon surely. :)

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1328828371141267457?s=19


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