Second hand tractors are gone expensive

Reggie. · 27-01-2021 04:41PM

_Brian wrote: »

Serious bit of kit.
You’ll need a bigger digger now !

Dont encourage him

lakill Farm · 27-01-2021 05:02PM

Say my name wrote: »

Well may it ware.
And the best of luck.

What will you be using it for?

Run the dump trailer , tedder and round baler is this years plan

Might buy a low loader if I come across one at right money in the back end of the year

lakill Farm · 27-01-2021 05:03PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Dont encourage him

around me is awash with 12t diggers

6/8 ton would be nice but I would only be buying it to self drive hire it out and im just not sure if its worth the risk or hassle

Sacrolyte · 27-01-2021 05:30PM

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Pic

timple23 · 27-01-2021 08:29PM

lakill Farm wrote: »

Run the dump trailer , tedder and round baler is this years plan

Might buy a low loader if I come across one at right money in the back end of the year

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

Reggie. · 27-01-2021 09:03PM

timple23 wrote: »

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

Once it's over 40kph I think

lakill Farm · 27-01-2021 09:43PM

timple23 wrote: »

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

not if used for agri

rs8 · 27-01-2021 09:55PM

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Best of luck with the fast trac ... spend alot of time in them hauling diggers only job for a tri axel lowloaders!!

kevthegaff · 27-01-2021 11:48PM

Was it a travel pit you bought it from?

lakill Farm · 28-01-2021 11:01AM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was it a travel pit you bought it from?

gravel pit? no , a lad who used it to deliver peat from his fathers bog.

lakill Farm · 28-01-2021 11:04AM

rs8 wrote: »

Best of luck with the fast trac ... spend alot of time in them hauling diggers only job for a tri axel lowloaders!!

thanks. they have there drawbacks I know but €€€ per HP the benefits outweigh the negatives

going to open out her legs on the dump trailer next week some evening and see how she does

timple23 · 28-01-2021 01:48PM

lakill Farm wrote: »

thanks. they have there drawbacks I know but €€€ per HP the benefits outweigh the negatives

going to open out her legs on the dump trailer next week some evening and see how she does

Would the axles on balers, trailers etc be rated for fastrac speeds.

straight · 28-01-2021 03:25PM

Had made up my mind last night to go look at a JD 6430 premium but reconsidered this morning. Think I'm going to hold out for a valtra n series. I feel as though they might be more simple and reliable.

hopeso · 28-01-2021 03:37PM

straight wrote: »

Had made up my mind last night to go look at a JD 6430 premium but reconsidered this morning. Think I'm going to hold out for a valtra n series. I feel as though they might be more simple and reliable.

I know very little about Valtras, but I saw an N that was traded in at a JD dealers. It seemed to be sitting very low to the ground. No clearance at all under it.

lakill Farm · 28-01-2021 03:58PM

timple23 wrote: »

Would the axles on balers, trailers etc be rated for fastrac speeds.

trailers yes but I doubt the baler is but most of my baling is at the house and 4 mile up the road so tipping at 30/40km be the top of it anyway

I bought it for the HP for the baler and road speed for trailer work

Dickie10 · 28-01-2021 09:31PM

got a lovely NH 100TS 2 years ago up in armagh. 32500. 3,400 hrs on it 2004.
in from england , complete with front loader a Stoohl. was on a government bird sanctuary down near Essex. arms on back were stiff , it had a transport box on it but never any weight in it, never liifted anything else, just pulled a trailer arounf, had floatation tyre s and your man put new tyres on. so all 4 new tyres too. have it two years and only did a bit of proper work the other day put out slurry for 8 hours. up to that all it did was top and spread fertiliser. i use a teleporter to feed so the tractor should do me a good while. savage deal i thought it was 30 sterling bought when sterling was weak. just lucky, tracked the back story from the log book too and all true.

cathy427 · 31-01-2021 01:06AM

Given the huge premium that is currently on mainstream brands for 20 year old tractors with highish hours would something like this be worth a look instead?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-11054-amp-loader/27117439

I know a lot of lads are tied to brands and wont drive anything other than for example a John Deere - my own "ex-brother-in-law" would not get anything other than a New Holland and I always thought half of it was cause the "boys" would be slagging him!!! (now there was a router - but thats different thread)

But if, like most at this stage, what you are doing is a bit of topping, fertiliser, bales, feeding and emergency slurry when the contractor cant get to you would the above not be as good/better than a 20 year old machine that may have had a lot of drivers/done contracting work?
The gear change does look a bit traditional compared to the modern smoothness of the mainstream (for a lot more €€) says it has Carraro transmission

MIKEKC · 31-01-2021 01:39PM

cathy427 wrote: »

Given the huge premium that is currently on mainstream brands for 20 year old tractors with highish hours would something like this be worth a look instead?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-11054-amp-loader/27117439

I know a lot of lads are tied to brands and wont drive anything other than for example a John Deere - my own "ex-brother-in-law" would not get anything other than a New Holland and I always thought half of it was cause the "boys" would be slagging him!!! (now there was a router - but thats different thread)

But if, like most at this stage, what you are doing is a bit of topping, fertiliser, bales, feeding and emergency slurry when the contractor cant get to you would the above not be as good/better than a 20 year old machine that may have had a lot of drivers/done contracting work?
The gear change does look a bit traditional compared to the modern smoothness of the mainstream (for a lot more €€) says it has Carraro transmission

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2021 02:25PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

Looks a bit like a Zetir but I do not think they were involved with Usrus at that stage.. Came across this article on it in the FJ you have to scroll down to find the Usrus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.farmersjournal.ie/amp/plan-your-tractor-purchases-carefully-at-ploughing-165322

It has a Perkins Euro 3 engine and a Carraro transmission. Might not be too bad a yoke. Manual shuttle.36k might be a bit strong for it. Parts for engine and transmission should be ok to get.

Hard Knocks · 31-01-2021 02:31PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Looks a bit like a Zetir but I do not think they were involved with Usrus at that stage.. Came across this article on it in the FJ you have to scroll down to find the Usrus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.farmersjournal.ie/amp/plan-your-tractor-purchases-carefully-at-ploughing-165322

It has a Perkins Euro 3 engine and a Carraro transmission. Might not be too bad a yoke. Manual shuttle.36k might be a bit strong for it. Parts for engine and transmission should be ok to get.

Isn’t Massey Ferguson, Zetor & Ursus all owned by the same company
Think there’s a 4th tractor brand too

cathy427 · 31-01-2021 02:53PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Isn’t Massey Ferguson, Zetor & Ursus all owned by the same company
Think there’s a 4th tractor brand too

No, Massey is in the same group/stable as Fendt and Valtra
(possible one of the reasons why valtra gained market share relatively quickly)

cathy427 · 31-01-2021 02:59PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

Ok, interesting - ya probably be married to it in fairness; which would be ok with, just if keeping for long time want to be relatively happy with how it drives.
Test driving is a problem, obviously, at the mo. Would it drive like the older zetors?

You still interested? I actually went on to see the zetor 9641 he has and then wondering do I need to up the budget.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Looks a bit like a Zetir but I do not think they were involved with Usrus at that stage.. Came across this article on it in the FJ you have to scroll down to find the Usrus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.farmersjournal.ie/amp/plan-your-tractor-purchases-carefully-at-ploughing-165322

It has a Perkins Euro 3 engine and a Carraro transmission. Might not be too bad a yoke. Manual shuttle.36k might be a bit strong for it. Parts for engine and transmission should be ok to get.

Ya, looks very very similar.
Prob is a bit strong but what else do you get at the hp, with loader and 1100 hours for 36k?

Would a manual shuttle be a bad buy at this stage given where other makes are at?

MIKEKC · 31-01-2021 03:55PM

cathy427 wrote: »

Ok, interesting - ya probably be married to it in fairness; which would be ok with, just if keeping for long time want to be relatively happy with how it drives.
Test driving is a problem, obviously, at the mo. Would it drive like the older zetors?

You still interested? I actually went on to see the zetor 9641 he has and then wondering do I need to up the budget.

Ya, looks very very similar.
Prob is a bit strong but what else do you get at the hp, with loader and 1100 hours for 36k?

Would a manual shuttle be a bad buy at this stage given where other makes are at?

Have a Zetor 6341 here for last 8or 9 years. 4600 hours . New clutch 2 years ago .Brake cylinder stuck so replaced both. No other problems. Really no need to change. Would imagine with the variety of tractors available it would be hard enough to sell. Would a comparable Zetor be much more?

Hard Knocks · 31-01-2021 04:35PM

cathy427 wrote: »

No, Massey is in the same group/stable as Fendt and Valtra
(possible one of the reasons why valtra gained market share relatively quickly)

Valtra became popular around here as they had a 40k box when the 3 series Massey didn’t
Also contractors found them better on soft ground than the MF

Remember seeing the technology used on the 4wd on the MF 3 series was the same as used by Zetor on the Crystal

MfMan · 31-01-2021 11:54PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Isn’t Massey Ferguson, Zetor & Ursus all owned by the same company
Think there’s a 4th tractor brand too

Ursus nearly gone to the wall I think... really bad way financially.

lakill Farm · 01-02-2021 01:43PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

No experience of the newer ursus but years ago I worked summers with a suckler farmer and he bought a new 1995 2wd 4512 ursus and in 2001 bought a 490 mercury 4wd. Good honest little tractors in fairness newer gave a seconds trouble as far as I know. very basic inside but did its job

Actually went looking for a 4512 or 4514 for a lad lately and they are mad money

K.G. · 03-02-2021 10:26PM

Why is it so hard to buy a tractor straight from the previous user.looking around at the moment and 90 %of tractors are selling from dealers either large or small.i d prefer to buy straight from the owner and with the advent of dd i would have thought that there would be more selling direct

jaymla627 · 03-02-2021 10:30PM

K.G. wrote: »

Why is it so hard to buy a tractor straight from the previous user.looking around at the moment and 90 %of tractors are selling from dealers either large or small.i d prefer to buy straight from the owner and with the advent of dd i would have thought that there would be more selling direct

HP outstanding would be a lot of it, another issue is with second hand prices gone up so much if a lad is selling private and gets 35k he has a nice tax bill, if trading against another tractor in a dealers they would usually value it lower and discount the difference of the new one

cute geoge · 03-02-2021 10:32PM

K.G. wrote: »

Why is it so hard to buy a tractor straight from the previous user.looking around at the moment and 90 %of tractors are selling from dealers either large or small.i d prefer to buy straight from the owner and with the advent of dd i would have thought that there would be more selling direct

Do the dealers still give an inflatted price for trade in ,this being added on to the price of the newer tractor .

declanflynn · 03-02-2021 10:55PM

Thinking of buying a new Same 110 with a loader, being quoated €63 Inc vat, what do lads here think of them

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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