Why did you decide to be childfree?

markodaly · 08-04-2021 2:22pm

Tony EH wrote: »

On the contrary, I didn't miss "the point" at all. EVERYONE will talk about "sleepless nights, the stress of it, the nappy changing" whether they're having/had a kid or not.

However, only one side will ever ask "why don't you want kids" in that accusatory fashion.

The bit in bold makes no sense. Why would a childless couple be talking about nappy changing?

Anyway are speaking from experience or talked to every parent in the country?
In my experience this didn't happen, so by that example alone, you are wrong.

I also have married friends who stated they didn't want kids and I didn't badger them as to the 'Why!'.

Maybe you hang around with negative people who conform to the stereotype I mentioned previously?

Tony EH · 08-04-2021 4:52pm

markodaly wrote: »

The bit in bold makes no sense. Why would a childless couple be talking about nappy changing?

What?

These are common talking points with almost everybody regardless of whether they have kids or not, or are going to or not going to. Most people who have conversations about children will mention the common issues that will arise from it and changing nappies will be one of them.

This isn't hard to understand.

Anyway, forget it. You don't seem to be able to grasp what I'm saying here.

Balmorhea · 08-04-2021 7:50pm

During the first lockdown, one of the things I was very grateful for was that I didn't have kids. I had always been 50/50 but once I realised kids weren't for me, I instantly told my gf at the time. We were only dating a short period of time but instantly connected.

We never had a conversation in relation to kids etc so she needed to do some soul searching. She was in her late 30s and decided she wasn't going to give up on having a child.

It's nearly a year now and miss her loads but I'm glad I told her as she'd end up resenting me if I didn't. Still glad I don't have kids as every day I see couples struggle to cope.

I really wish rather than asking couples why don't you have kids, people start to ask why should you have kids!

dobman88 · 08-04-2021 8:00pm

Balmorhea wrote: »

During the first lockdown, one of the things I was very grateful for was that I didn't have kids. I had always been 50/50 but once I realised kids weren't for me, I instantly told my gf at the time. We were only dating a short period of time but instantly connected.

We never had a conversation in relation to kids etc so she needed to do some soul searching. She was in her late 30s and decided she wasn't going to give up on having a child.

It's nearly a year now and miss her loads but I'm glad I told her as she'd end up resenting me if I didn't. Still glad I don't have kids as every day I see couples struggle to cope.

I really wish rather than asking couples why don't you have kids, people start to ask why should you have kids!

As much as it hurts now, you've made the right decision together and try to focus on you. Breaking up with my ex was the hardest decision I've ever had to accept. But we both agreed it was for the best. She wanted kids, I don't.

It will take time. Took me almost 2 years but I got there and have a great life now with a fiancee and 2 dogs. Do the best for you and dont rush anything. When something happens, you'll just know it's right.

08-04-2021 10:18pm

Hi markodaly, in a thread dedicated to people outlining their personal reasons for deciding to be childfree, what is the objective of your posts?

markodaly · 08-04-2021 10:26pm

Tony EH wrote: »

These are common talking points with almost everybody regardless of whether they have kids or not, or are going to or not going to. Most people who have conversations about children will mention the common issues that will arise from it and changing nappies will be one of them.

As I said, are you talking from experience here when you had kids?
It wasn't my experience nor others as been posted in this thread.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:41pm

markodaly wrote: »

Each to their own. I couldn't give two ****s if a friend of mine choose not to have kids, or have five.

i'm beginning to get the impression that the above may not actually reflect your state of mind. for someone who doesn't give two ****s, you seem to be quite invested in this topic?

Bodjhrjekekr · 08-04-2021 10:45pm

I've always known I never wanted kids, honestly was never a fan of them as harsh as that sounds.

Also I get stressed easily just looking after myself - I can't imagine looking after a child on top of working and housework - I really value my time off and weekends.

I also am very independent, love just taking off on the weekends to hike on my own etc without consulting anyone or worrying about things. So yeah I guess it's also down to my personality.

shesty · 09-04-2021 7:10pm

Mod Note:

Can posters please keep to the topic in question. I understand this is emotive for people on both sides, however raising kids is not the subject of conversation here - we have other forums for that.

Thanks
S

secondrowgal · 15-04-2021 1:30pm

There's another similar thread to this that I posted the following in:

I remember being in school, about 16 or so, and one of my friends planning her wedding and how many kids she was going to have. She turns to me and says "how many kids do you want?". I had never even thought about it before, and out comes "none" there and then. Never looked back. Never changed my mind. Never had an inkling to change my mind.

Did have a little Ard Fheis with myself around 38 to check in as the ol' biological clock was ticking away and still nope.

Happy out, just myself and my husband.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 17-04-2021 1:21pm

I had never actually thought about it until I was 24, up until then I probably assumed that I would settle down get married and have kids as that seemed to be the done thing...

Then one night was sitting around with a group of friends and talk about "the future" came up and the majority of them were so confident that they wanted children that it just dawned on me that I didn't feel that way at all and for the first time said the words "I don't think I ever want kids".

After that I consciously started thinking about what it means to have children, and quickly realised I neither had the instincts nor the desire for it, and ten years later I've never even second guessed that decision once, it's just simply not for me. Nothing against kids, have all the time in the world for my Niece and Nephew, but just know I never want any of my own.

Ultimately, being forced to think about that was what led me to actually acknowledge other aspects of my life, which set me on the road to not only figuring out my gender identity and sexuality, but just learning what I wanted to get out of life, thinking outside the box and not merely existing in the way that society essentially expects us to.

madmaggie · 25-04-2021 10:49pm

I've never had that maternal instinct. My mother didn't have it, she left me and my father when I was 5. She wanted her life and freedom back. Neither of them wanted to be parents, it was a mistake.

bunny_mac · 26-04-2021 1:27pm

madmaggie wrote: »

I've never had that maternal instinct. My mother didn't have it, she left me and my father when I was 5. She wanted her life and freedom back. Neither of them wanted to be parents, it was a mistake.

I'm the same, no maternal instinct. My mother and her mother the same. I wonder if we all have some sort of mutated gene or is it more psychological.

shesty · 26-04-2021 2:34pm

Nature or nurture???

notsoyoungwan · 29-04-2021 9:29pm

I’ve never, ever felt a desire to have children. It just has never been on my radar. I didn’t have to make a decision as such, as I just never wanted them.

Ive been plagued by other people, all parents themselves, telling me about how utterly transformative it is, how wonderful it is, how I’ll regret it when it’s too late, how I’ll never know true love and other such bull5hit, but I have never wavered in my thinking.

I can honestly say that there would not be one single positive thing for me in having children. I can fully accept that there are many positives for others, but there aren’t any for me.

magicbastarder · 29-04-2021 9:44pm

the thing is, from reading this thread, and from having friends who don't have kids (and not because of issues conceiving); i think it basically just boils down to 'i just never really *wanted* kids'. everything else seems to be window dressing, just something to create a structure or justification around that lack of a want/need.for most people i know who don't have kids and never had the desire, there's really nothing more than that.

Faith · 30-04-2021 8:19am

magicbastarder wrote: »

the thing is, from reading this thread, and from having friends who don't have kids (and not because of issues conceiving); i think it basically just boils down to 'i just never really *wanted* kids'. everything else seems to be window dressing, just something to create a structure or justification around that lack of a want/need.for most people i know who don't have kids and never had the desire, there's really nothing more than that.

This is absolutely true, and I am so pleased every time I hear someone who recognised that in themselves and had the courage to stick with that decision. I really believe a lot of people have kids because "that's what you do" rather than because they desperately wanted them. There's so much pressure from society to just go along with the norms and have kids, with all this nonsense about "You'll never regret having kids!". It's a blatant lie and potentially deeply damaging to both the person and any children they do end up having.

I really hope we can help foster a culture where people start to think about *why* they want kids before they start having them.

eviltwin · 30-04-2021 10:43am

magicbastarder wrote: »

the thing is, from reading this thread, and from having friends who don't have kids (and not because of issues conceiving); i think it basically just boils down to 'i just never really *wanted* kids'. everything else seems to be window dressing, just something to create a structure or justification around that lack of a want/need.for most people i know who don't have kids and never had the desire, there's really nothing more than that.

And that should be enough, people shouldn't have to justify it. I've an adult child who has decided to be child free and I've always told her that no is a sentence. She doesn't need to add on her reasons, a no should suffice.

Faith wrote: »

This is absolutely true, and I am so pleased every time I hear someone who recognised that in themselves and had the courage to stick with that decision. I really believe a lot of people have kids because "that's what you do" rather than because they desperately wanted them. There's so much pressure from society to just go along with the norms and have kids, with all this nonsense about "You'll never regret having kids!". It's a blatant lie and potentially deeply damaging to both the person and any children they do end up having.

I really hope we can help foster a culture where people start to think about *why* they want kids before they start having them.

Don't get me started on that "you only regret the children you don't have" nonsense :rolleyes:

Mollyb60 · 30-04-2021 1:28pm

My mother had 5 kids and came from a big family herself. She's great with kids, loves her grandson and totally dotes on him but she almost threw a party for me when I told her I didn't want kids. So maybe deep down she also didn't wants kids but felt societal pressure to have them? Who knows. But she has never once questioned me about it and often defends my choice to my nosy aunts who feel like they should have a say in my reproductive choices.

Sunny Disposition · 30-04-2021 2:32pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

the thing is, from reading this thread, and from having friends who don't have kids (and not because of issues conceiving); i think it basically just boils down to 'i just never really *wanted* kids'. everything else seems to be window dressing, just something to create a structure or justification around that lack of a want/need.for most people i know who don't have kids and never had the desire, there's really nothing more than that.

This is a good point, we come into the world child free, it's a perfectly natural state of affairs. Tbh even the most committed of parents should be able to acknowledge it is perfectly reasonable to want to remain childfree.

Eric Cartman · 02-05-2021 9:05pm

Ive never had a desire for children, as a teen and older you'd especially notice just how many things friends parents couldn't do because they were looking after small kids, or as I entered the workforce you'd be working with lads who hadn't taken a holiday in 5 years getting excited about how their frankly mediocre hotel choice and bargain basement flight was only costing them 2 grand for a week etc.. with the kids. Im sure people feel a draw to have kids but to be honest all I can see are negatives, there is just nothing in me that can genuinely see the benefit of having a child until elderly age where you force them to take care of you for some sick reason.

Ive gotten to that point now in my early 30s where My friends are starting to have children and while I congratulate them honestly on getting pregnant etc.. But Im really still finding it hard to come to terms with ‘im pregnant’ being a joyous occasion and not the ‘ahw f*ck what are you going to do’ that it used to be.

BettyBoo2011 · 04-05-2021 8:00pm

Great thread, thank you to the poster for setting it up and to the moderator for keeping the discussion on track and non judgemental from people who have chosen other routes..Think as a society we have a long way to go before we go accept ‘less traditional’ choices..

My husband and I are late 30s, together over 15 years. We thought many years ago perhaps we might get to a day when we wanted kids, then that faded out.. it was never a definite plan or even thought and I would say neither of us are strongly maternal/paternal.

We like kids, but equally like our lives as we are. We are accustomed to the freedom we have, our careers are very busy, in non covid times we travel a lot. Don’t get me wrong, if you really wanted kids you would sacrifice all that in a heartbeat. But we think we don’t and so it would just be a big compromise to simply satisfy what society thinks we should do.

Parents and in laws are aghast. People assume we ‘cannot’ have them or avoid the topic. It’s almost forbidden to say you don’t want them as somehow everyone assumes you hate kids, are some kind of inhuman freak, or decides you have nothing in common... Some of our friends with kids, want to hang out less as they don’t seem to think we are happy to hang out with them and their kids, which we are. But it seems to be a clickish mindset which you are either ‘all in’ or ‘all out’.. In work it often means our ‘personal lives and time’ seen as less important because we don’t have kids.. There are so many inaccurate stereotypes and discrimination about women in particular who don’t have kids.

I hated the idea of being pregnant, and being in labour... Some women can’t wait to experience that. I really like kids from about 2 years up but not so keen on the baby stage, even though I like friends babies etc.

I do worry I will regret the decision when in 60s etc. We don’t have a big extended family and that can feel a bit lonely. But I don’t think that’s the right motivation to consider bringing a child into this world. We have 2 dogs and they make us deliriously happy. I know some people think that’s sad, but it’s true and works for us..

It would be nice if people accepted each other’s choices more and could see that different find happiness in different choices and none are better or worse.. I’m not sure we will get there in my lifetime however.

Maybe we will still get hit with the urge, it’s still maybe a 10% thought from time to time. But that’s prob more because of the societal pressures and worry re regrets etc.. maybe we just need to get another dog (any parents reading this - I’m not comparing your child to a dog! ðŸ€£ðŸ€ª)

Anyways each to their own I think but would love to see a lot more writing and discussion about this in mainstream media that is more open and accepting.

sunbabe08 · 05-05-2021 1:21am

i'm 37 years old, childfree and while i get mushy and gooey around babies and go awwww that's so cute, i literally don't have the urge to have children. and while i've been told its a wonderful feeling, i still don't have the gra at all. my thinking has been i love kids, i will chat with them, play games with them but as long as i can give them back to their parents i'm good.

Mollyb60 · 05-05-2021 8:07am

Betty's post has just reminded me that i often get semi-snide comments from family and friends with children along the lines of "oh you're always at a gig or on holiday or something! Don't you have the life!"

Yes, yes I do thank you.

Faith · 05-05-2021 8:09am

Mollyb60 wrote: »

Betty's post has just reminded me that i often get semi-snide comments from family and friends with children along the lines of "oh you're always at a gig or on holiday or something! Don't you have the life!"

Yes, yes I do thank you.

05-05-2021 8:15am

Only really the last few years my desire to have kids has gone. Seeing the way the country is going (and most of what would currently be decent places to live) really doesn't fill me with the desire to bring someone I'd love more than anything else in the world into the ****show.
That and the more I see friends in relationships and reflect on what I've seen over the years the chances of me getting in a relationship which I'd want to bring kids into are slim to nil. I wouldn't consider having a kid alone, not sure I can think of a guy who's done it who I've thought "That's a cool guy" :pac:

Ms. Newbie18 · 05-05-2021 11:25am

I have gone on and off about having kids over the years. In my teens / early 20s it was a no way. Then for a short period in mid 20s-30 I thought may be with the right person. Now though I think its a definite no for me. Pre-pandemic i ate out 4 evenings a week and traveled every two months or thereabouts.

And in line with what @Buttonftw said. Given how things in this country and the world are going at the moment, I cant imagine my views will change.

sunbabe08 · 05-05-2021 2:12pm

Mollyb60 wrote: »

Betty's post has just reminded me that i often get semi-snide comments from family and friends with children along the lines of "oh you're always at a gig or on holiday or something! Don't you have the life!"

Yes, yes I do thank you.

this right here. before the pandemic started it was great and it will be great again once we are allowed to travel again

Ms. Newbie18 · 05-05-2021 4:50pm

sunbabe08 wrote: »

this right here. before the pandemic started it was great and it will be great again once we are allowed to travel again

Please let travel and gigs start again soon

Gunslinger92 · 06-05-2021 6:32pm

Hello, long time reader of boards, but it's been years since I made a post! I'm really interested in this topic however.

I'm in my late twenties and when I was a teen and in my early 20's I was a definite "no way". Now I'm more "never say never" but if I had to pick tomorrow whether to have any or not, I'd choose not to.

I really like my life the way it is, but there's still loads I want to do. I've never done any proper stint of travelling for example. I'm qualifying as a professional this year, so my career is only getting started. An earlier post mentioned still figuring out who they are and what they want in life, and I relate to that so much. I just don't know if I see children in my future.

I do have nieces and nephews and I love them. My friend asked me recently if they make me broody and the honest answer is no. The only thing I am broody for is a kitten!

I'm in a long term relationship and in the past year or so we've started getting the "hehe ye are next" comments when a family member announces a pregnancy for example. I just laugh awkwardly! I'm also terrified of the whole pregnancy thing. Pregnant bellies make me uncomfortable, imagine having one myself.

Anyway, I've rambled on enough! I'm glad to have found this forum, been such an interesting read

cocker5 · 26-05-2021 3:35pm

For me it’s not something I ever wanted nor will I ever dwell on.. in my early 40’s now (female) and couldn’t be happier with my choice .. well our choice (married 13 years now)

Was never on my radar - have absolutely no interest in kids, being around kids, listening about kids .. that’s the truth!

Yes I listen to friends talk about their kids, which is fine as they are important to them and part of their lives which I understand .. I have numerous nieces / nephews who I’m very good to and spend lots of time with ..

but when I see a baby .. honest to God they give me the shivers, I’m looking to get away ASAP .. no interest .. I’m allergic to babies and kids that’s the truth!

however when I see a puppy or dog I’m go all gooey .. I’m 100% a dog person always have been .. I’ve been like this since I was very young.

Truth is most people I see with kids .. for the most part look stressed, unhappy, tired, never ending circle of day in day out family tasks and struggle and strife .. sucking the life out of them .. and that’s just not something we want.. most people say they wouldn’t change it for the world.. truthfully I don’t believe that I do think lots of people if they could go back they would .. but they could never admit that as in society that’s not acceptable..

we’ve made a choice and will live / die by that decision.. what I would love is though that society wises up and stops assuming if you don’t have kids there’s something wrong with you .. no .. I’m choosing to LIVE my life .. ..
my life

04-06-2021 11:23am

Simple I want to spend my money on me lol

whomadewho · 04-06-2021 9:00pm

I've always wanted kids but partner didnt, partner then had a changed of mind, so we've been trying for a couple of years, I was enthusiastic at the start but as the time passed my desire has just disappeared. I'm now at at a age where feel I'm just to old to be father. Partner wants to keep going until it works, which there is only a small chance statically considerering both our ages. She is now all consumed in the process, taking eastern herbs, accupucture every week, heat pack every night, strick diet. I've to give up alcohol ( haven't got drunk in over a year) give up sugar, take my herbs, give up cycling (it affects sperm quality ). Another ivf session down the line. In my head I've decided I've just had enough now, I just have to get it through to my partner.

madmaggie · 04-06-2021 10:05pm

Where I used to work was mainly a female environment. The younger women stressed out with small children, working overtime to pay for holidays, Christmas, etc. Older women retiring knowing they would be pressured into becoming childminders for the grandchildren. I looked around and thought I have only one life, and that is not the way I want it to be.

Scouseouse · 05-06-2021 10:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

I also felt this way. When my ex started to talk about maybe wanting a child my heart was filled with dread. The relationship wasn't a good fit for either of us anyway but the idea of him being the father to my kids? God. No way. I remember sleepless nights of thinking 'do I stay with him and not have children because I'm concerned about the type of father he will be, and why can't I be brave enough to walk away'.

Thanks for making this post. I had a similar situation in a disintegrating relationship over 20 years ago, when abusive bf started hinting about having children. It made me think seriously about the issue, and I concluded I did not want to remain with this person or have a child with this person. I also concluded there might be a very limited set of circumstances when I might want to have a child. I'm the youngest of 7 siblings and spent a lot of my free time in teenage and 20s years minding nephews and nieces, sometimes solo for extended periods (like a week or more), and I'm not adverse to caring for or being around children. Now in my 50s I'm in a long term and happy relationship (childfree) and still get the occasional pitying remark from some family members but that has thankfully diminished over the years. To be honest female work colleagues were much the worst with the constant wittering about the importance of being a mother, you will end up a cat lady, no one will love you when you are old, you are so selfish ( they knew i was caring for disabled elderly parents at the time) type of stuff.

Burt Renaults · 06-06-2021 12:47am

It's not a decision I ever actively made. When I was much younger, it was something I passively wanted to happen "some time in the future". I'm pushing 40 now and it's still something I think passively about maybe wanting at some point in the future. Unless I end up with someone who really wants kids, I don't see myself ever being persuaded to think of it as a "now" thing.

06-06-2021 12:58am

Ive always been open to either outcome, my partners have never wanted kids, fine by me.

Bananaleaf · 06-06-2021 1:16am

Both myself and my partner (for very different reasons) don't want children.

We have also had the 'you'll change your mind' comments.

When we bought our home we also had it pointed out to us that the house (2 up, 2 down) wasn't going to be big enough for when we started our family :rolleyes:

We have a dog and are getting a second soon. A colleague who doesn't even know me that well asked me 'why a second? Is one not plenty?' The cheek, like. I actually responded to her with 'you would never say that to someone expecting their second child'. She just agreed that she wouldn't and I never answered her question. Lol.

I'm 37 now and even if I thought I wanted a child now, (I don't) it's too late. I don't mean biologically (although that too), we are both just FAR too set in our ways to be able to adapt. We take afternoon naps, have 3-4 hobbies each and while our salaries are decent because we are childless and live in a small house, we would be very very strapped for cash (and dealing with all of the mental health anguish that comes along with that) if we had children

madmaggie · 06-06-2021 12:12pm

Bananaleaf, that's my position exactly!

Sandor Clegane · 07-06-2021 3:41pm

Personally for me, my main reason for not wanting to ever have children is to not end up tied to someone, you have a child with someone and your forever tied to that person, the thought of that makes me shudder.

I also value my freedoms, for instance my time, financially, space etc...I don't want that upset, but I would also extend that to relationships, I don't want a long term, serious relationship with anyone because again it would encroach on those things.

Bringing people into your life is just messy, I've seen so many people end up with nothing due to marriages gone wrong.

bitofabind · 08-06-2021 5:52pm

I'm in the "undecided" camp (am I allowed to post in here?

:))

I'm 36, with a relatively new partner, and the more life experience I get, the more I question why people have kids at all. When I look at the circle of women having kids around me, all I see is exhaustion, depletion, stress, anxiety, and a lack of freedom that feels so alien to me. For the most part, careers step back and mommy brain takes over. For those who keep on track career-wise, the complete and utter lack of time or personal space seems unsurvivable to me. You work a ridiculous work day and then you're left with your second, even more demanding evening and night and weekend shift. I'm a bit of a loner, I prefer to be on my own and pottering for the most part and I also work in a stressful, chaotic job so time to unwind and relax is essential. I can't see how that's compatible with raising kids, now or ever.

It feels like the unmentionable, but I hate the idea of what would happen to my body if I went through a pregnancy. The incredible changes, the stomach that never quite returns to normal, the violence of childbirth and the physical trauma seems...daunting. I also grew up with an older sibling who has a profound mental illness and I can't contemplate parenting a child where something like that could happen and I'd be leaving my family with the same life sentence that my parents have.

The prospect of losing the ability to have them as I get older does make me think a lot more deeply about these things and the overwhelming feeling I get is, "why? Why is all of this sacrifice the default, the expected?" I've never been broody and have little exposure to kids, it's more an overwhelm of "what if I regret it down the line?"

08-06-2021 6:21pm

bitofabind wrote: »

I'm in the "undecided" camp (am I allowed to post in here? :))

I'm 36, with a relatively new partner, and the more life experience I get, the more I question why people have kids at all. When I look at the circle of women having kids around me, all I see is exhaustion, depletion, stress, anxiety, and a lack of freedom that feels so alien to me. For the most part, careers step back and mommy brain takes over. For those who keep on track career-wise, the complete and utter lack of time or personal space seems unsurvivable to me. You work a ridiculous work day and then you're left with your second, even more demanding evening and night and weekend shift. I'm a bit of a loner, I prefer to be on my own and pottering for the most part and I also work in a stressful, chaotic job so time to unwind and relax is essential. I can't see how that's compatible with raising kids, now or ever.

It feels like the unmentionable, but I hate the idea of what would happen to my body if I went through a pregnancy. The incredible changes, the stomach that never quite returns to normal, the violence of childbirth and the physical trauma seems...daunting. I also grew up with an older sibling who has a profound mental illness and I can't contemplate parenting a child where something like that could happen and I'd be leaving my family with the same life sentence that my parents have.

The prospect of losing the ability to have them as I get older does make me think a lot more deeply about these things and the overwhelming feeling I get is, "why? Why is all of this sacrifice the default, the expected?" I've never been broody and have little exposure to kids, it's more an overwhelm of "what if I regret it down the line?"

You'll have to keep in mind this is the Childfree by Choice forum so the feedback you are likely to get here will be very different to what you would get in, say, the parenting forum or newborns forum.

What I will say is you will have second thoughts whichever way you decide. Thats natural and its to be expected with such a decision especially if you are unsure.

I'm childfree and happy with the choice I have made but there is the odd time I think I'd love to be a father, but the thought is fleeting. I am confident I made the right decision for me and my partner is happy too. I know I am happier now than I would be with kids.

If you haven't done so, you should discuss it with your partner. It could be the case they are baby crazy or totally anti-kids, which may figure into your decision.

R.D. aka MR.D · 08-06-2021 7:47pm

bitofabind wrote: »

I'm in the "undecided" camp (am I allowed to post in here? :))

I'm 36, with a relatively new partner, and the more life experience I get, the more I question why people have kids at all. When I look at the circle of women having kids around me, all I see is exhaustion, depletion, stress, anxiety, and a lack of freedom that feels so alien to me. For the most part, careers step back and mommy brain takes over. For those who keep on track career-wise, the complete and utter lack of time or personal space seems unsurvivable to me. You work a ridiculous work day and then you're left with your second, even more demanding evening and night and weekend shift. I'm a bit of a loner, I prefer to be on my own and pottering for the most part and I also work in a stressful, chaotic job so time to unwind and relax is essential. I can't see how that's compatible with raising kids, now or ever.

It feels like the unmentionable, but I hate the idea of what would happen to my body if I went through a pregnancy. The incredible changes, the stomach that never quite returns to normal, the violence of childbirth and the physical trauma seems...daunting. I also grew up with an older sibling who has a profound mental illness and I can't contemplate parenting a child where something like that could happen and I'd be leaving my family with the same life sentence that my parents have.

The prospect of losing the ability to have them as I get older does make me think a lot more deeply about these things and the overwhelming feeling I get is, "why? Why is all of this sacrifice the default, the expected?" I've never been broody and have little exposure to kids, it's more an overwhelm of "what if I regret it down the line?"

So much of this is similar to me except I'm definitely in the decided camp!

The impact on other women is so profound. I know as a feminist that the world shouldn't be the way that it but it is and that won't change during my childbearing years! It is a sad fact that women face most of the parenting work, the emotional labour of the household etc.

The physical aspect too is terrifying. Even the changes you can have in your mind. I have a close relative who had PPD and it was scary. She was a different person. We know it changes you physically permanently but who knows about mentally.

Again, i have first had experience of parents who ended up parenting when they should be enjoying their retirement. It is a life commitment, not 18 years.

But there are many who accept all that and make a go of it. People who really want to be parents tend be the good ones. People who think long and hard about it. That should be the default. Best of luck with your journey!

Mollyb60 · 09-06-2021 9:06am

There's a guy I work with who is a very active outdoorsman. Loves cycling, enjoys building and being outside. He's a lovely guy but I can tell by how he talks about his children and his life that he regrets having them. He loves them but it's pretty obvious that he resents them for the restrictions on his freedom that they've caused.

Sandor Clegane · 09-06-2021 3:28pm

Mollyb60 wrote: »

There's a guy I work with who is a very active outdoorsman. Loves cycling, enjoys building and being outside. He's a lovely guy but I can tell by how he talks about his children and his life that he regrets having them. He loves them but it's pretty obvious that he resents them for the restrictions on his freedom that they've caused.

This.

I have a relation who is similar, you can see the novelty has worn off.

Poor kids are going from one house to the other, being past from pillar to post, mothers house, father's house, grandparents house, always trying to get someone to take them off him, it's sad and not fair on the kids you can tell when the grandparents can't take them for the weekend he gets in a huff, it's obvious.

Captainsatnav · 13-12-2023 9:01pm

This is an amazing discussion and has been so comforting for me (39, M, married a couple of years).

I've never been enthusiastic, wife was ambivalent, then dead set as friends and cousins and stuff started having them, but as time goes on (we don't exactly time 'trying' but ya know...whatever...we haven't used contraception in a couple of years) I'm kind of thinking I'm too set in my /our ways of lie ins, naps, weekend breaks, holidays in Asia and North Africa in November to really be able to get enthusiastic about having a kid.... We have a dog and she's brilliant.

I've definitely never had a desire to have them but now it's starting to be more of a desire to not have them. Trying to raise this all with my wife is difficult for me. We agree we love our lives ...but at times she'll mention a friend or cousin who's had a baby...and I literally have no interest or comme t to make.

Thanks to all who have shared on this thread.

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pgj2015 · 13-12-2023 9:26pm

So many reasons, goodbye freedom, watch them get bullied by some little $hits in their school, what job will they do? robots will do everything, what war will they have to fight in? fall out with their mother and she will make my life hell using the kids as a weapon, what if they kill someone or turn out a scumbag? my standard of living wouldn't be as good. way too much hard work looking after kids. This world is fcuked and its only going to get worse, why bring any kids into it? its selfish simple as.

Captainsatnav · 13-12-2023 10:22pm

Ah here. Don't get the thread closed down please

ancapailldorcha · 24-01-2024 3:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492851#Comment_121492851

What? It's a perfectly reasonable opinion.

markodaly · 25-01-2024 8:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121665696#Comment_121665696

Was my post deleted?

Anyway, it's an opinion, but I am not sure a reasonable person can call it reasonable. It reeks of anxiety and catastrophisation.

Why did you decide to be childfree?

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