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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    A tiny fraction of a percent which you have been warned about by regulatory authorities and the media, your statement is also untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    You realise that even it were only 1/100 is still around 49,000 people in an Irish population. The problem with this is it will go endemic. It already is. So for any stat, you need to assume we’ll all get it at some stage.

    Getting it post vaccination is a hell of a lot better than getting it with a naive immune system.

    We are very close to achieving a target of most of the adult population being vaccinated and hopefully can extend beyond that, into younger ages as soon as safe to do so.

    When we are there, covid infections should just be adding to vaccination immunity. At present we’re about 3/4 way there.

    Watch the U.K. for a few weeks and see how it progresses. They seem very enthusiastic to test a theory and hopefully they’re correct.

    It’s still a few weeks too soon to assume they’re home and dry as there’s been a lead time between infection and hospitalisation and, as yet, that hasn’t been passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Warned about? But forced to take the vaccine, or ridiculed, so that’s ok you were warned. We don’t know the real figures as there is bound to be under reporting of milder cases - unlike long covid which is likely over reported- come on, depression is counted as long covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    The old chestnut, the medical community hide figures that would prove your opinion but over report figures that disprove your opinion, well done you, You have me convinced :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Seems the U.K. has added France to “Amber Plus” requiring 10 day at home quarantine or 5 day test and release (at your own expense), even if you’re double vaccinated.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57869880



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 pebniuty168


    Anyone know roughly how long before you test negative on a rapid antigen test following exposure?



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And what if somebody does not want a vaccine prey tell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Ah stop will you! That’s what he is insinuating and you know that. The man is power unto himself!

    I’ll be going on a family holiday to Wicklow first week in august my wife and I will be fully vaccinated and I sure as hell will be bringing my 2 kids to a restaurant indoors or outdoors! Who is Tony Holahan think he is telling me what I can and cannot do!

    it’s obvious at this stage that the Taoiseach has had enough! And it’s about time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait




  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    anyone know how you delete your account for good???


    PM me if you do thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Do you ever feel embarrassed repeating the lockdown doesn’t work tripe every day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    I think in fairness Dr Campbell, with his lecturer in nursing background, gives a good overview of the situation. This can be missing in some of the discussion by experts, most of whom see part if the picture in great detail but only part of the picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I think your man here is pished!!!

    What a tool, replying to a message from months ago!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Well, then you take your chances and don’t complain to anyone if you turned it down and subsequently get a bad dose of COVID and, let’s hope they don’t clog up the hospitals, preventing people needing, say heart surgery, from getting access to ICU beds, which is the reality of it.

    Clogging ICU unnecessarily, apart from taking your own life into your hands means someone who might say need an urgent bypass or valve surgery doesn’t get it and has to wait and may die as a result.

    My view of it is the choice is a selfish and unscientific one. Don’t take it if you don’t want, but don’t think it has no consequences.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would you not be comcerned your kids might pass covid onto unvaccinated waiting staff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    I honestly don’t think they should be opening indoor dining with unvaccinated staff. It seems like a huge duty of care breech by the government. At the very least all hospitality staff should be offered immediate registration for vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    ISAG are out of the traps first chance they get. Tomás Ryan falsely claimed Covid causes Autism in pregnancy on an ISAG video recently with no evidence whatsoever. He also claimed hundreds of children would die in Ireland last summer on Prime Time which was swiftly debunked by Sunitra Gupta plus a little thing called facts, figures and data. He suggested we treat every Covid case like a ‘murder’ in January 2021, and still continues to this day to claim we should go ‘Zero Covid’ while we’ve an open border to NI & Common Travel Area to U.K.

    On analysis of what this ‘Zero Covid’ utopia would look like to ISAG - it seems they would like a Chinese style of Governance without Democratic institutions.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At some point in life, we’ve all been responsible for spreading a cold/flu that eventually killed someone.

    We just weren’t hysterical about it before Covid.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I honestly agree,the only politians who spoken anything approaching sense on this are paul murphy and PBP


    Their wrong on plenty stuff,but dead right on saying noone should have to risk their health/welfare in work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I don't understand this at all. Assuming you're referring to under 45s group, there's virtually no risk of death to them. Much more likely to die in a road accident than from covid19.

    Are you suggesting nobody should be allowed drive and if not why not?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Why is it a huge duty of care breach?

    There are many occupations where staff have to deal with the public but don't get fast tracked for vaccination....

    Some even have to spend time extremely close.... Barbers trimming beards etc....

    Shouldn't they be first before dining staff?

    So where is the risk? Dining staff have been working along side unvaccinated staff for months, all wearing a mask.

    But now that vaccinated people are on the premises and inside.....so you feel it's the vaccinated people posing a risk to the staff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    The second bit is nonsense. Murphy and Co. were/are banging the zero covid drum so would support anything that aligns with that. Hospitality staff should have been given an option to register for a vaccine as an effort to speed up reopening but there's no guarantee they accept it either.


    People have a choice to go back to work and the vast majority of people I know who work in hospitality just want something of the summer to trade off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    I’d argue all of that was too. Someone’s haircut was more important than protecting the staff.

    It shows a very biased towards middle aged people type of thinking by government.

    The reality is that a lot of people in front line jobs, with high levels of covid risk, are younger and they were just abandoned to be last in line for vaccines. It’s the same “I’m alright, Jack!” attitude you see in housing too. The twenty-somethings are seen as collateral damage.

    Hospitality seems worse, as it’s potentially crowded and most people don’t go for a haircut after a few beers…

    I honestly think the way we approached not vaccinating front line staff, including dentists and dental nurses in the early roll out was abysmal.

    There should have been an occupational risk cohort done as priority. I would have gladly waited a few weeks for my shot as I am at low risk and can avoid exposure risk quite easily.

    It’s all a bit late now, they’ll be vaccinated in due course, but I can see this playing out into political consequences for government parties if Delta proves to be a problem.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Put it another way,if covid was relistted as a workplace illness,and anyone who caught it there was allowed to sue for illness/sick caught at work.....would publicans be shouting from rooftop to reopen?


    The uk come out today and said 50% those hospitilised,even among young had long term consequences in organs etc.....


    a few weeks and the risks are virtually elimanted with completion of vaccination.....


    paul murphy is a lone voice of sense who deosnt want to put unvaccinated people at risk in work,i feel the position is meritable tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Paul Murphy was never and never will be a lone voice of sense



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Agh the zero covid thing we werent allowed do,as we would be in long term on/off lockdowns....liberials really showed him up there🤣🤣🤣



    Noone should have to risk their health in work,i dont understand the pushback againest this concept,theres a massive industry built around health and safety and teachers were rightly prepared to walk off job a few months ago over it.....why should bar staff be different



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Richmond Ultra


    I'm down in Kerry this evening and the talk in a number of pubs which I sampled produce in was that some of the hotel's out Muckross direction have been hammered by Covid this week and are possibly short staff for the weekend.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's usually fairly good to cut swades through bullshít and political correctness and tell it like it is


    Kinda refreshing to see someone like that who isnt an out-and-out money/business obsessed man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Basically comes down to a sort of a class system at play. People want their drinks and their pub atmosphere, and they don’t care about the 18 year old glass collector or the bar person who has to serve them or the person who has to clean up their puke either.

    They just want beer to magically appear in a glass. They have their vaccine and that’s all that matters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,339 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    To be fair to him he did bring up potential problems with meat factories last year in The Dáil before it actually became a problem and he was roundly castigated at the time for talking down the Great Irish meat industry with its impeccable safety standards...

    Not saying the man isn't full of it or that I'd ever consider voting for him maybe it was as much a case of one thing out of the many things he said actually turning out right.



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