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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s because that jingoistic sh*te doesn’t wash here. One day we will just realise things are pretty much back to normal. Far sooner than many think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    40,000 people so 800 odd cases in there. That's crazy. Would be an interesting test case to distribute antigen tests to everyone in that area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Orla Hegarty being wheeled out on Prime time! Can’t stand here! She’s a fecking architect!

    I know she’s an expert on ventilation but speaks as if she’s a virologist! ISAG twat!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Should we just dig a big trench north of the N14?



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think some people need to get a grip on reality. Someone expressing a view based on their knowledge of ventilation is “ISAG twat”. Whatever group they may or may not be a member of and whatever your views on the rights on wrongs of the usage zero Covid policy that we never actually came anywhere close to following, these types of rants a quite strange.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Prime Time now trying to spread fear. Cases numbers mean absolutelty nothing without deaths and ICU admissions, that's why we have vaccines.

    Not a single country in the entire world that has rolled out a successful vaccine program has experienced a surge in deaths and ICU numbers, are we somehow specialists in failure?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Watching it now. Disgraceful coverage. Pure scaremongering



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why watch? The vast majority of the population are getting on with living with the actual real changes associated with the continuing roll back of public health measures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Did you listen to her at all?

    coming out with statements that schools are now at risk, another lockdown seems likely, hospitality should spend even more (they don’t have) on improving building quality or stay closed! In my mind she’s a twat! Another one that’s wheeled out constantly! FairPlay to the GP he was taking sense!



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did not see it as prime time is painful in the extreme 100% of the time.I don’t doubt that serious objections could raised to the content based on what you said. Maybe best avoid prime time I’d say?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    RTE have given undue weight to these extremists over the last year, particularly since late last summer, and that has had direct impacts on viewers' mental health. I know ISAG's piece on the future of concerts and festivals completely f*cked me up, and I know I'm not the only one just in my own social circle either. The leaks earlier this year proved that RTE were in direct contact with this lobby / pressure group and inviting them to author pieces for "current affairs" programming - not just to come on and be interviewed, but to actually perform role-play sketches indicating what the post-pandemic future would look like. Off the top of my head, I remember the hairdresser, the pub, the festival, and the Christmas dinner - we know that the latter was authored by ISAG after a direct invite from RTE with reference to previous successes, which one can infer means that all four sketches were authored by the same group.

    "Previous successes" obviously means that they got a huge amount of traction on social media, primarily because they depressed the sh!t out of so many people and those people shared the clips aghast at the suggestion that this was what life would become. At no point did RTE ever disclose that these pieces for current affairs programmes (Claire Byrne in particular) were authored by a lobby group whose modus operandi was to psychologically manipulate the public into backing a particular anti-COVID strategy.

    It may come across as hyperbole but I cannot stress enough the spiral of absolute despair that festival piece, presented as an impartial current affairs piece, sent me into. I'm not exaggerating when I say that it pushed me to the brink of a dark abyss I had managed to steer clear of since my only ever brush with it in 2011, and I ended up writing a blog post to that effect in the hopes of showing others that they weren't alone if they happened to be feeling that way.

    I'm no COVID denier, my father was in one of the highest categories of risk and as such we as a family had been coccooning since *before* the government even advised social distancing (his doctor got wind of the incoming pandemic and advised him to get out ahead of it as he would be a 99% certainty to end up in the ICU if he contracted it, even a seasonal flu knocks him out for weeks on end) and I have nothing but respect for the media coming from a family of journalists. But RTE's cosy relationship with ISAG and their constant failure to point out that ISAG is a pressure / lobby group with a specific agenda, is a complete and utter betrayal of their public service broadcasting remit. To use ISAG's self-title without clarifying what the group actually is, is akin to referring to "The Iona Institute" without pointing out that it is in no way any kind of officially-connected organisation but an entirely private, agenda driven lobby group.

    Tl;dr, ISAG are a group of extremists who have been intentionally manipulating the public's psyches through social engineering, and RTE has facilitated this apparently without a moment's hesitation. That is not ok, no matter who's side you happen to be on. A public service broadcaster should not be in cahoots with a political lobby group and allowing them to script current affairs segments without disclosing this to the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Given the rates of positive cases in certain areas and the age profile of the cases, is it possible that vast numbers of young people made a conscious decision to catch covid and get a positive swab as their quickest route to vaccine passport freedom? An unintended but not entirely unpredictable response to vaccine segregation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Would you think there'd be that many though?

    Was at a MVC today twice, morning and evening, and I saw lines of hundreds of young people queuing for their first shot of mRNA. Can't imagine it would be much different any other place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Mammy just texted me afraid of the lambda variant, from hearing about it on a WHO briefing. She's fully vaccinated but now worried.


    When will this nightmare end lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    I don't think it's a smart thing to do but a positive swab is the quickest route to vaccine passport. Register today for a first shot in two to four weeks time followed by a second four weeks later and a further two weeks wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭ruth123456


    Can anyone tell me when indoor exercise classes will be allowed?



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’ve been thinking for a long time who ISAG remind me of.. and you’ve nailed it. The Iona Institute mark II. A group of self declared experts with friends in high places in society that RTE seem to have on speed dial.


    (yes I know this one claims not to be a member of ISAG, yet shares their views, constantly pushes their message, and is cc’d on their “strategy” emails).



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A well thought out post using detail, both personal and broader to put forward an excellent point. The comparison to the Iona institute is particularly apt. I only watch rte when there is a match or particular event to catch up on so will admit to not knowing how the message is being delivered most of the time. I have regarded what isag have been pushing as fringe as the vast majority of people I know do not express the isag agenda and official government and nphet policy has not adopted their position either. As such when I see the invective directed towards isag I don’t get the point as they have no influence. The opposite side of an irrelevant coin to Dolores Cahill if you will, except with a sincerely held position that has allowed groupthink drag it down a rabbit hole. I will accept others feel they are driving an agenda and feel the same way watching rte as others do seeing Cahill, Cummins et al. and their nonsense being parroted



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iona are a heavily funded Catholic Church lobby group with links to extreme Christian fundamentalist groups. ISAG are a group of well meaning people caught in groupthink



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Summary of some research into recent large scale events.





  • Posts: 243 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Herd immunity is an abstract concept according to dodgy maths Nolan on morning Ireland just now.so even if everyone is jabbed we’re still shagged.no ending of this bs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Herd immunity, long Covid and vaccine passports are methods of coercion more than anything else.

    I think we need to accept that the vaccines alone will not eliminate Covid. But that wouldn’t help uptake I guess.

    This is one perspective - Transmission and symptomatic infection are only reduced by 50% at best according to Health Ministry in Israel.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-uk-data-offer-mixed-signals-on-vaccines-potency-against-delta-strain/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @lee_baby_simms wrote:

    vaccine passports are methods of coercion

    There's no such thing as a vaccine passport. If you mean the restriction of access to indoor hospitality to the vaccinated, at this point that's a reasonable health measure to partially protect staff who haven't had a chance to get vaccinated yet, similar to the way we restrict smoking in public places to outdoors.

    If it goes on past mid-Sept (the point at which all consenting adults will be fully vaccinated) that's another matter though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I doubt it tbh. There's no doubt a bit of "meh" around whether they catch it, but I see no indication that they're having "covid parties" to deliberately catch it. In terms of the digital cert, full vaccination is the gold standard that will guarantee the ability to travel abroad. Merely having recovered without being vaccinated will still limit your travel options.

    Yeah, this is my feeling on it too. After an initial big jump we've apparently plateaued. Which can really only be explained by vaccinations. We may see another bump after indoor dining reopens, but it's looking very unlikely that we'll hit the 4k cases/day equivalent of the UK spike. 2k might be the peak at this stage, if even that.

    If it goes on past mid-Sept (the point at which all consenting adults will be fully vaccinated) that's another matter though.

    I feel like we might be surprised just how quickly things start moving on the lifting of restrictions when we get to the end of August and we're touching 90% of adults vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    So with this delta variant 'rebound' - are the vaccines a waste of time??

    look at the UK numbers have hit the roof🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I don’t understand why they dont open pop up vaccination centres in high infection areas at this stage

    My daughter lives in London in a high case area . In April the cases rose and people were not applying online . They opened a pop up and put it on Facebook and anyone over 18 could just turn up . It worked and people just walked in and got it .

    The same happened in areas in Canada and they moved in and vaccinated the whole town in a week .

    Surely Donegal could do with similar now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @seamus wrote

    Yeah, this is my feeling on it too. After an initial big jump we've apparently plateaued. Which can really only be explained by vaccinations.

    Vaccinations and restrictions. Remember that the UK Delta wave kicked off immediately after re-opening of indoor stuff on May 17th, at which point they were only 30% fully vaxxed.

    The recent good weather might have helped us too.

    One neat idea is that the required one-dose vaccination rate to tame the virus pre-Delta (low to mid-50s% for UK and Israel) is now the required two-dose vaccination rate with Delta. A number of countries are approaching that 50-something-%-fully-vaxxed rate now.

    The next two weeks are crucial, LOL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    That sort of targetted vaccination response doesn't work so well with SARS-Cov-2 because the time to decent immunity is about five weeks, compared to (say) 10-14 days with measles vaccination. By the time the population have developed decent immunity from vaccines the outbreak has burned itself out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    It did it Canada . They locked down the town and people stayed in and the whole town had two doses within four weeks . They also allowed no visitors and no one out . It happened in a large ski resorrt where people from cities were bringing covid in so the stopped all in coming traffic for 6 weeks

    now I am aware that is most likely would not work in Donegal as towns merge into each other . In Canada towns can be an hour or two drive away



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