Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

tomasrojo wrote: »

They did that lower down the hill on that road, near the school, when there were works on the water infrastructure, and they still haven't replaced the kerbs, and I suspect they're not going to.

The Mannix vote change, looks like he won over some Sandymount voters:

https://twitter.com/PaddyMatthews/status/1415440461293043715/photo/3

She's the last person I want to defend, but she's not the only heritage architect I've met with near total resistance to change.

Cycled from northside all the way to Dun Laoghaire today with my son - was an amazing experience to see our city being transformed - amazing how the North inner city is being reclaimed from industry and to be honest social depravation. Anyway - there is a great opportunity on the south keys - but it all comes to an end - I ended up cycling up a ramp into a pub at Brewdog at three locks square - is there any plan to join any of that up with Ringsend ?

Anyway - we went out to Strand Road - and was sad to see that there basically is no progress on the full coastal route there. Crazy stuff - just get a small bit of the grass like Clontarf and get on with it.

You get a bit lost and the surfaces are very poor till you eventually find the new path. What a job - great effort in Blackrock too - but feels a bit dangerous . We eventually go back on track and it was such a joy. A day we will not forget. I went all the way back to Malahide.

I know we are only about 25 % there - but you can see the thing coming together - many people deserve a good bit of credit for having a long term vision to improve cycling.

I know it is not perfect - and we still need to give it a faster harder push to finish it.

But it was the first time in my life, I felt that we are taking back control of our city.

And I'm a car lover.

What a day.

Well this is the problem isn't it.

The cycleway belongs on the grass promenade, but some are fighting tooth and nail to put it on the roadway just to stick it to motorised traffic. They are also rolling out the 'biosphere' excuse for it not being possible, whereas in reality the UNESCO designation covers half the City and its water catchments and as you mention yourself, the off road cycleway and flood works on Clontarf Road exist with no problem,(not to mention the incinerator and poo factory within the "biosphere") so we can leave that plump red herring to one side!

In any case, we await with patience the learned ruling from the High Court, which considering its now mid-summer, likely won't now materialise until the Michaelmas term in October.

By which time of course the normalisation of society will have continued and the justification for the City Council's efforts will have evaporated anyway.

What a terrible waste of time that could have progressed the absolutely viable off-road option and given this man some hope.

That’s some plump red herring that was used in court against the council then with environmental impact studies being demanded. You can’t have it both ways…nonsense but we want to use it in court.

Well thankfully I'm not relying on you for a job so, but the developers I've worked for for over 30 years have always been pretty satisfied with the outcomes.

I do say town planner because I'm old school (why that winds people up I'll never know) and I've worked in both the public sector (early on) and private sector. Ive sat on working groups for regional and national spatial planning, I deal with real life, real society in this Country and real economic development. You'll find plenty of my colleagues working for the likes of An Taisce and various other environmental and transport lobby groups and I'd make the opposite argument about some of them as you make about me, that they set aside the economic imperatives of their work because they are too wedded to idealism and academia rather than realistic planning and the fast changing needs of people and business.

And maybe that's the nature of the game. And by the way don't insult me like that again or I'll report you for it, I've done nothing but suggest alternative views (which have widespread support in that local area). The irony of you describing them as pig ignorance when you're so blinkered and utterly inflexible in your own way is something else. And for a Mod to be so easily baited and quick to anger and personalise is actually disgusting.

I suspect you're more than a little sore because you recognise now that Strand Road will never happen in the way proposed by the City a year ago, but that's still no excuse for playing the man.

It is, if that is what we are being paid to do. Don't be naive about that.

As a practical example, if the planners involved with the Poolbeg and IGB sites nearby (and I'm not one) were to lose Strand Road and not be able to demonstrate capacity for a mix of mobility options, it could jeopardise the intensive development of that zone and the loss of several thousand homes from the pipeline. Do you think anyone in power is going to permit that?