Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

paulos · 24-07-2021 6:53pm

Yes, I would get my daughter vaccinated if it becomes available

paulos · 24-07-2021 6:55pm

She's a 15 year old in the high risk category and her doctors have said she would be high up the list and they would have no hesitation in recommending it

Zorton · 24-07-2021 7:53pm

According to our own CSO stats - there have been a total of 69933 people between the ages 0-24 yrs who have had PCR confirmed Covid-19 infections and NO confirmed mortality !!

0-14 26145

15-24 43788

"Only 0.005% of coronavirus deaths have been children - so vaccine would have to be 'very low risk'"

An article to read from the British Medical Journal published on the 13th July -

"Covid-19 vaccines for children: hypothetical benefits to adults do not outweigh risks to children"

Pleased state were it says that "the disease in children is commonly mild" / "prolonged symptoms are uncommon" / "put the infection fatality rate from covid-19 among children 0 to 17 years old at 20 per 1,000,000"

" Meanwhile, a large number of children with very low risk for severe disease would be exposed to vaccine risk"

A report from the Faculty of Medicine in University of British Columbia -

Study finds schools are not at higher risk for COVID-19

"These findings show that, with appropriate mitigation strategies in place, in-person schooling is not associated with significantly increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission for classroom-based staff compared to members of the "

Parents who have written on in this thread worried about their children with underlying medical conditions - they should feel free to get the vaccination for their children. This in theory will give them the necessary antibodies to fight the virus.

But they should not be dictating that all children in the school need to be vaccinated.

Nor should teachers - who as a profession, have not yet been mandated to have the vaccination themselves.

And to those in this thread, of whom there are a few that have posted a high number of times (pro-vaccine) over the 12 pages (3 in particular) - why would I accept the findings from trials being carried out by the companies that are pushing the same said vaccinations.

There is no reason whatsoever to vaccinate children.

Nothing will convince me otherwise.

Please note - iot would not allow me to post links to URLS

24-07-2021 8:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657000#Comment_117657000

The trials have been reviewed by multiple regulatory bodies.

But you know better

Zorton · 24-07-2021 8:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657037#Comment_117657037

You didn't respond to any of the other points AT ALL.

Stupid negative attacking comments - start providing links, data etc ..

Refute the facts that I have posted with your links and medical journal docs etc

lee_baby_simms · 24-07-2021 8:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117655178#Comment_117655178

So the long term data obviously isn’t relevant then? Hardly a scientific approach is it?

Zorton · 24-07-2021 8:09pm

Point made deleted as rightly pointed out as incorrect.

24-07-2021 8:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657045#Comment_117657045

1 in 35,000 cases in under 24s here resulted in death. There is a tiny fraction of that risk with the vaccine.

Now what I was addressing was your assertion that because the vaccine manufacturers conducted the trials they should not be believed. This exposes your complete ignorance of the clinical trial process and is yet another example of how many continue to deliberately misrepresent the facts to spread doubt and forming division.

24-07-2021 8:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657062#Comment_117657062

We are still waiting for an example of a long term effect of a vaccine not showing up within a short period of the vaccine being administered

Edit: was replying to post prior to this one but new interface somehow pulled in the latest post

Zorton · 24-07-2021 8:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657078#Comment_117657078

"1 in 35,000 cases in under 24s here resulted in death." - where are you getting this stat from ?

I just posted from the BMJ and CSO with actually real statistics showing no deaths in Ireland of nearly 70'000 under 24 year olds and from BMJ - / "put the infection fatality rate from covid-19 among children 0 to 17 years old at 20 per 1,000,000"

Also, please post the links to the clinical trials here so we can have a look through them and alleviate my complete ignorance of the process !!

24-07-2021 8:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657062#Comment_117657062

I presume there is a source for this as the fda tend to publish such things immediately

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts

And even if a particular assay or test kit is not performing as expected it doesn’t follow that the full technology is obsolete

24-07-2021 8:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657104#Comment_117657104

Please point to evidence of a 20 in 1,000,000 deaths due to vaccines. There are billions administered at this stage

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389

Former Former Former · 24-07-2021 8:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657062#Comment_117657062

More lies. More malicious anti-science conspiracy theory lies.

The CDC has asked FDA to let its EUA expire at the end of the year. They have been providing PCR tests to labs since the start of the pandemic, but this is not their job and there are many commercially available kits. So they're going to wind it down.

It is ABSOLUTELY NOT because PCR doesn't work.

Did you enjoy the rally today?

24-07-2021 8:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657180#Comment_117657180

These pour gullible souls sucked in by the lies and misinformation of the anti vaccine lobby

fun loving criminal · 24-07-2021 8:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632814#Comment_117632814

How do you know what someone suffers from years later is caused by a vaccine?

If that's the case, I can blame any ailment on vaccines I got as a baby.

24-07-2021 8:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657210#Comment_117657210

It’s worthless asking for this information to be provided. No one as yet has pointed to a single instance of long term vaccine effects turning up years later. And how would it, the vaccine is long gone

mohawk · 25-07-2021 12:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657000#Comment_117657000

Just to point out that Pharmaceuticals typically contract out the clinical trials to companies who specialise in Clinical Trials. Clinical trials fail more then they succeed.

Having said that I would be reluctant to let my son get the vaccine for quite awhile. It’s an easy decision to make on the childhood vaccines. They have been around years and in some cases decades. If there was a problem it would of come to light by now. Right now we are still in the acquiring data stage of the covid vaccines for children. Every month that passes means more knowledge. The benefit versus risk of a covid vaccine on a child is different to an adult.

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 6:49am

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-official-defends-indemnity-for-swine-flue-vaccine-makers-423613-Apr2012/

I'll just leave this here, with a reminder that Tony "right decision at the time" Holohan has now been given the freedom to Dublin City.

25-07-2021 8:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658088#Comment_117658088

Pandemic issues emerged within 1-2 months max. These vaccines are both the most monitored and widely administered in a short space time in history. Issues with pandemic also occurred in adults.

As yet we have zero examples of a vaccine where an issue only emerged years later

is_that_so · 25-07-2021 9:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117656770#Comment_117656770

That just looks like a parent choosing not to have a child vaccinated. Their justification aside it has not been definitively established there is an actual need for it apart from them being a large cohort and that it is probably not a bad idea.

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 9:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658132#Comment_117658132

From the linked article:

"Symptoms in the 32 cases began to appear between two and 20 months after the vaccination was given."

Triangle · 25-07-2021 9:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657104#Comment_117657104

Just started reading this thread and the statistics being thrown round without backup or proof is incredible.

Its hard to debate a point when people just make **** up without evidence.

Edit: on topic my 13-18 yos all have a choice in taking it. I wouldnt make them or deny them a vaccince. Theyre old enough to make a choice after I explain the benefits/risks to them.

25-07-2021 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631329#Comment_117631329

So you want to leave a massive reservoir of unvaccinated and your attitude is the same as the antivaxxers in adults "Let the at-risk vaccinate" (showing lack of understanding of how vaccines protect)

Nice

25-07-2021 9:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632016#Comment_117632016

That's not how herd immunity works

How are we 18 months into this and people still don't comprehend such a simple premise?

Multipass · 25-07-2021 9:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657223#Comment_117657223

It won’t be years later, because we’ll likely be having to have yearly boosters. Of course the vaccine clears quickly, it’s the inflammation left afterwards that’s the problem - Guillain-Barre, Demyelinating Polyneuropathy etc.. I’ve taken the vaccine myself, but it’s not right to pretend that adverse events don’t exist. The US has a national vaccine injury compensation program, mostly dealing with flu shot problems.

Dempo1 · 25-07-2021 9:26am

Gosh, a tough question this thread asks. I'm not a parent but can appreciate what a difficult decision this may be. I have to admit I was hesitant at first, partly because I'm generally cautious of all medications which is ironic as I have an underlying condition requiring daily meds butainly because (I now understand) the rushed nature of Covid-19 vacinne roll out. I suppose emergency use authorisation can have many different meanings

I believe there's enough research done, data gathered and understood for parents to make an informed choice. I got my 2 doses, I wish any parent well in whatever decisions they make, I just hope it doesn't turn into a campaign of hysteria and misinformation when a decision is ultimately made.

is_that_so · 25-07-2021 9:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658235#Comment_117658235

Booster requirement is undetermined, save possibly for the very high risk. Treatments are more likely to address the issue.

Sammy2012 · 25-07-2021 9:38am

We will not be getting our kids vaccinated either. They are healthy with no underlying conditions and I don't see the need to vaccinate them as of yet.

25-07-2021 10:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658273#Comment_117658273

Did you think that healthy adults saying "I'm healthy so don't need the vaccination" were correct too?

Just curious.

25-07-2021 10:22am

I'm very cautious about threads, like this. I've seen people, with no kids, spreading vaccine misinformation on social media.

It's just another battle front, for the anti-vaxxers.

D rog · 25-07-2021 10:48am

Not an Anti vaxxer, hate people inferring that. Have had every recommended jab for ourselves and them all through the years.

But it's a no to this mRNA tech for us.

Stormyteacup · 25-07-2021 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658132#Comment_117658132

The average time was 2 months approx for noting symptoms associated with narcolepsy, the average reporting time was 4 months approx.

Pandermix was used during 2009, in September 2010 the EMA stated there was no confirmed link between narcolepsy and Pandermix vaccine but wanted further investigation.

The point is that even if symptoms manifest within six weeks for the majority of vaccine related side effects, the link may not be publicly known/medically confirmed for much longer.

When one million children are vaccinated with less than 20 mortalities confirmed as a result of vaccination then a claim can be made that categorically the benefit of vaccination is greater than the risk of contacting Covid wrt mortality. Same goes for long Covid vs life impacting side effects of vaccine.

From a herd immunity perspective it seems to be the case that to achieve it children will need to be vaccinated. Whether that’s acceptable or not will not be a consensus viewpoint.

But the bullying of anyone hesitant to be vaccinated or to vaccinate their children by claiming they are anti-vaxx, ignorant and selfish is wrong.

Also, could you back up the claim that 1 in 35,000 under 24 in Ireland died from Covid? Or is that misinformation?

landofthetree · 25-07-2021 11:23am

The UK isn't going to vaccinate kids. So that means the Irish sheep will do it. The irish times will be telling us all the Brits are basically murdering their children.

Baaaaah! Baaaaah!

Skyfloater · 25-07-2021 11:24am

An incentive for those going abroad this autumn/winter with 12-17 year old kids is avoiding the cost and hassle of getting a PCR test on your return. I wonder how much of a factor this will be in parents decisions

landofthetree · 25-07-2021 11:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658581#Comment_117658581

Herd immunity isnt possible via vaccination unless you vaccinate under 12.

Around 15% of the population is under 12. You need 85%-90% vaccinated to get herd immunity.

25-07-2021 11:28am

I'm in my forties with no underlying conditions and perfectly healthy. I don't think I would be overly sick if I got covid, neither do I worry about getting it.

I got my vaccines because it's about protecting everybody and getting life back to normal. If that means vaccinating kids, then fair enough, vaccinate them.

Stormyteacup · 25-07-2021 11:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658612#Comment_117658612

Is that not what I said?

TaurenDruid · 25-07-2021 12:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657000#Comment_117657000

Please note - iot would not allow me to post links to URLS

Aw. Threadbanned anti-vaxxer Grofus wasn't able to post URLs either. Odd, that...

25-07-2021 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658480#Comment_117658480

So you're antivax now because you're making antivax choices.

Former Former Former · 25-07-2021 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657000#Comment_117657000

It is incredibly telling that you throw in a few journal articles and stats, but then sign off with "nothing will convince me otherwise". That's about as illogical and anti-science as you can get.

Trying to reason with anti-vaxxers is like trying to convince someone they're following the wrong religion. They just "know".

Ideally, the next variant will somehow target people with whatever gene drives anti-vax sentiment.

is_that_so · 25-07-2021 1:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658903#Comment_117658903

Most of these so-called anti-vaxxers are making decisions about their kids and that is their choice to make. Few if any deny the benefit to adults of the vaccines and have opted to be vaccinated themselves. Name calling is rarely an effective means of persuasion.

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658963#Comment_117658963

Trying to reason with your average NPHET bootlicker is like trying to convince someone they're following the wrong religion. They just "know", and seem to be mentally incapable of processing the fact that not all choices in life are binary.

Eg: If someone with their child's welfare in mind considers the fact that's there's a minor risk associated with vaccinating a child, to no benefit at all to the child, they must be "an anti-vaxxer" and deserve to catch a new strain of covid.

In a way it must be great to be so simple of mind.

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658416#Comment_117658416

Surely you'll be mentioning the fabled "far right" soon, don't forget that one

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 1:58pm

Former Former Former · 25-07-2021 2:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658963#Comment_117658963

Well, presenting scientific data doesn't seem to be an effective means of persuasion either.

I've no problem with people being reluctant to give their kids vaccines. Each to his own but equally you cannot complain when opting out also means having to miss out on other parts of society.

However, I would like people to come to their decision based on facts and objective data. That's why I react so strongly to the outright lies about vaccines that a small number of posters have been putting up on this thread. I think it's borderline evil to be honest.

Del Griffith · 25-07-2021 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117659221#Comment_117659221

In the space of just two posts you've branded anyone that considers a viewpoint that differs from your own, as in relates to children they're the guardians of no less, as "evil", and gone on to say you hope a new covid strain comes along to target them specifically.

Would you consider yourself an extremist at all?

Former Former Former · 25-07-2021 2:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117659292#Comment_117659292

No, I consider myself to be someone who is sick of this pandemic.

Again, I have no problem with people who are reluctant to vaccinate their kids. The fact remains that it will prolong the pandemic but I get the concern. Absolutely no issue with that. I don't agree with it but it is what it is.

What I have a huge problem with is deliberate and repeated disinformation. It's malicious and nasty. So I guess when it comes to people trying to scare and confuse others at a time when we're all under huge stress, then maybe I am an extremist when it comes to that. I can live with myself for that, tbh.

D rog · 25-07-2021 2:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117659221#Comment_117659221

'cannot complain when opting out also means having to miss out on other parts of society'

I don't really care about indoor dining, but I do care about a two tier society in which I pay hefty taxes to be part of the system/society. Using a vaccination is a choice, not mandated, and should not be used to exclude people.

D rog · 25-07-2021 3:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658854#Comment_117658854

Nope, not antivax because of a single choice about a single mRNA medicine.

hmmm · 25-07-2021 3:07pm

People who have had Covid have significant brain injuries, even in "mild" cases according to the report linked below from the Lancet. I'm not qualified to give any medical opinions, but anyone who suggests this is just a flu, or there are no risks to getting Covid, is just not following the emerging evidence.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext

Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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