Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

When?

Would you advise parents to bring their unvaccinated children into a pub?

He also said something about advising parents to use suncream on kids during this weather. I'm sure you would report that he's forcing parents to use suncream on kids or maybe make out they should be kept indoors etc... It's **** advice, you take it or ya don't. He's not holding a gun to parents heads.

From my simplistic understanding of all this, there are two options in terms of opening up.

1. Allow the unvaccinated into the pubs until they infect enough people that we get another lockdown.
2. Keep the unvaccinated out of such places and allow the pubs to make money and pay their staff and basically let the rest of us get on with life.

There's a third option that involves testing for covid before people are allowed enter but I don't even know how such a system can be rolled out to all pubs in a practical length of time.

We're in agreement here, by the looks of it. We have pretty much everyone over 40 fully vaccinated but there are a lot of younger people who still aren't and not through any fault of their own so I don't blame them. We're not far off herd immunity but that's predominantly among the older crowd. The 18 - 35 year lold group is still far from it and those make up a large percentage of the pub-going population. I agree that it seems like we're close but that just means that it could still go either way.

And yes, I don't see how on the spot testing is going to work. If it was as fast as a breathalyzer, then it could work but I don't think we're there yet.

Thanks for that. I'm a bit blown away by those figures. I had forgotten about the pharmacies helping out with the J&J one. This is very promising.

Interestingly if you replace “Cummings et al” with “nphet” the same statement holds true. Even more so.

How hard is it to understand: vaccinated people can, do and will still infect people.

Your point 1 above is a common misinterpretation but I still can't get my head around why people don't get it.

Allowing the dirty unvaccinated mongrels into your sanitary sanctuary of a pub isn't going to have any effect on the mighty vaccinated lords within.

If it does you must believe the vaccines don't work. Are you an anti vaxxer then?

Maybe compare that elephant to say another nearby elephant?

Simple question, How has Sweden done versus it's neighbours?

Even their PM admits they had massive failings

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/swedish-pm-says-officials-misjudged-power-of-covid-resurgence

I see locally to me a lot of pubs / restaurants who have been closed since first lockdown are are getting horrible abuse about opening today. A lot of fake bookings and the likes.

A few are making a great song and dance about not reopening indoors and continuing to offer outdoor but these are the bigger pubs who have large beer gardens and can accommodate people outside.

And a few sayings they are opening but won’t be implementing the new guidelines as they are unworkable .

Its well and good pubs saying they will remain outdoor only when the weather was fantastic and beer gardens would be full anyway but give it a few days of pissing rain and a lot won’t be long about changing minds about indoor dining.

My local isnt opening indoors either and I understand 100%. First of all it's a decent size pub but it's in a very small village and the majority of the time it only needs one person working there and at that they wouldn't be too busy. Don't know how they could be expected to man the door and poor pints and do table service at the same time.

Then what is probably worse is the fact is because its a very rural area they'd know everyone trying to enter. I personally wouldn't want the bad blood of turning away my neighbour from entering for a measure I might not personally agree with myself, for which I could lose a customer for the long term. Then you'll have people who say they're vaccinated but can't find their cert/it's at home and having to offend them by turning them away too. You could argue these people shouldnt be offended or upset and I'd agree with you and the publican is only doing what they have to but unfortunately we all know a lot of people aren't reasonable or logical in their thoughts and actions.

The rules have essentially been drummed up to prevent groups of young unvaccinated people going to the pub. The cmo has made it as difficult as possible for people to go on the piss.

A bar man bending to rules to accommodate an older person going for one or two pints won't be punished by the authorities.

Was chatting to a publican last week and he was concerned about how to deal with his regulars. He certainly didn't seem keen to push the rules completely.