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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I have a feeling their lawyers sat them down and gave them a talking to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Either that or they realised "Footballer's charity work raises public profile and leads to sponsorship deals which footballer also uses to increase charity work" didn't have quite the bite they hoped it might.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Eskimo will stick by his conclusions of they never publish anything I suspect...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    since when did the facts make any difference to their opinion?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One of the great failings of much of the Left in recent years is the condescending, nasty, and insulting tone given to anyone with whom they disagree; no matter what their intention nor their motivation.

    That, plus throwing in an -ism or -phobia is all that's missing (of which we have heard many throughout the last couple of pages).

    Whilst there are legitimate cases to use -isms or -phobias, they tend to be massively overused by the Left and applied to anyone, for any reason, as long as the target is not part of the same political tribe as themselves.

    But let's not let facts get in the way of our discussion.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You likened Rashford to Jimmy Savile and claimed he's making a profit from his charity work. You have not provided any evidence. So I'd say that's a pretty nasty tone based on no evidence since the Spectator expose has yet to even be published and likely never will....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,296 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    They ruin and derail every thread on here with their condescending, nasty and derogatory slurs.

    They have to make everything personal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,296 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    do you assume that everybody that agrees with you is "the left"?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You tried to pretend Brexit voters are a race so you could call someone here racist with no basis for doing so.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    they also pretended that people who voted for brexit are farage supporters.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can complain to Eskimo who has brought it up... It's also relevant since Andrew Neil is the chairman of the Spectator so directly associated with GB News.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. Standard play the man not the ball tactics. As I said, conservatism is a worthless and dead ideology.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Exactly. They only have faux empathy for minorities in an attempt to get their vote and couldn't care less about anyone else least of all their opinions. One would have be super naive to think the current day focus on equality diversity and so on has anything to do with empathy. What we see is the some old socialists reinventing themselves and if the UK is anything to go by it's not getting them anyway because thankfully some people weren't born yesterday. In fact one of the reasons the UK's Labour are doing so particularly badly is because they have bought into all of that woke nonsense. The reality is some of them are so genuinely nasty that the idea that they are at the same time empathetic caring people is laughable. Owen Jones - genuinely nice guy, lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,296 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    "Conservatism is a worthless and dead ideology"

    Really, you come out with a ludicrous blanket statement like that and expect people to belive that you arent being disengenuous ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Engage then. What worth is there when conservatives so desperately need safe spaces like GB News where dissent leads to dismissal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,296 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Why would I engage with disengenuous posters ?

    Its a futile process.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To prove me wrong. The ad hominem just reinforces my point. I laid out my reasoning earlier and I've yet to see any sort of attempt at an intellectual rebuttal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    They seem to want a libertarian wasteland where public services are nil. Healthcare is pay as you earn. Empathy is seen as absolutely weakness and should not be tolerated. Differences like skin colour gender or sex should be only discussed when given the green light from a conservative minority. Press is tightly controlled by government and education should be limited to the classics.


    These people can only ever exist in the internet space . When they spill out into reality they get vilified and shown up for who they are. Shouty loopers like that ex NHS 5G nurse. This form of attempts to rewrite the human social contract should not be tolerated frankly . And no that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. It means you don't have the right to deliberately minimise others based on their differences.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think it's more about various form privilege than specifically public services. Public services, after all represent a vast source of public wealth that can easily be transferred to the right people.

    Some of them seem to have realised that conservatism no longer cuts it in the marketplace of ideas. Historically, it would evolve, most recently when Margaret Thatcher's Tory party embraced neoliberalism. The problem that caused is that it eroded the social contract and cut people out of entering the trappings of society by which the next generation of right wing voters is born. There's no downside to voting for higher property taxes if you're never going to own property.

    Differences such as those you mention are fine as long as said people know their place. Fortunately, we don't live in that world any more. The trade off is that now such things are used to divide society as we can't have anyone asking too many questions about tax evasion, billionaire space races and austerity now, can we?

    The fact that Marcus Rashford can't be criticised without bringing in Jimmy Saville really does encapsulate modern right wing thought perfectly.

    To put it a bit more succinctly, there seems to be a large cohort of people who are happy to vote against their own interest if people they despise can be made to suffer. The Brexit vote is a perfect example. Conservatism is just a scam where you convince the ethnic majority to vote for scam artists who denude their prospects. Then they get triggered when immigrants move in to work.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    In many ways you have to ask the basics.


    Whatever happened to 'just being sound' .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As you said, this sort of edgy-libertarian mind bleach only really appears on forums. I've yet to meet a real person who thinks that the vaccine is part of some genocide attempt though I am glad the bad weather here scuppered my planned visit to the National Gallery. I'd no idea there was a c*nt convention planned.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭iwasliedto


    I wonder with the dismal offerings from GB News how long they can last. They must be hemorrhaging money and have very little income stream from customers. With the tiny viewing numbers they cannot be long for this world in its present form. I wonder will they first start laying off staff and then gradually wither or will they go out with a bang? I cannot see investors throwing good money after bad for too long. If they make it until winter I will be surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,124 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The important thing whatever way they go is to make sure to whinge constantly about how it was the vested interests in the "woke left" who caused it to fail and not the fact it was just a poor idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Seems like the "silent majority" would also rather just sit in silence than watch GB News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Says the guy who laughingly called me a racist, the only person so far to use a label has been YOU!!!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I didn't compare Rashford to Jimmy Saville.

    I raised the very real problem where wealthy, powerful people often cloak inappropriate behaviour behind the veil of charity - advancing their own self-interest whilst pretending to care about the charitable cause.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thus comparing Rashford with Saville. It's disgusting. If you don't like Rashford, you could have said so but you had to bring Saville into this and it's fairly obvious why.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and what inappropriate behaviour are you suggesting that rashford was involved with?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes , yes you did.

    You suggested that Jimmy Saville using his charitable works to obfuscate his Pedophilia was somehow analogous to the as yet unproven and unpublished possible allegations of some sort of as yet unknown acts of financial impropriety by Marcus Rashford on foot of his Charitable works.

    It's a very poor quality ,shoddy dog whistle but it's still a Dog whistle none the less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    I though Nige's charity was the RNLI, i was sure he has been working on highlighting thier excellent work.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You haven't illustrated him engaging in inappropriate behaviour. Eg we do know Rashford contributes a substantial portion of his wealth to charity. Have you any proof that he receives more money back than he contributes? No? Then you're engaging in speculation with no basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,578 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Unfortunately this is simply typical of that posters content. Ill thought out hammering at the keyboard which ends up sounding like mindless dreck. If footballers had just stuck to what the were good at, there'd still be bananas thrown at black players like there were in the 80's.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If it's established that Rashford profited from his charitable work - which, judging from Rashford's own comments, appears to be the case - then that information should have been disclosed from the outset. Rashford should have declared self-interest.

    Evidently, the activity was kept under wraps because he knew, deep down, it was in error to act in the way that he did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,124 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nothing has been established yet. Yet you still decide to draw an analogy with Saville, who used his charity work to hide a lifetime of abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The general timeline seems to be:

    • Rashford challenges government policy and forces them into U-turn
    • Rashford becomes more popular due to above
    • Rashford gets deals/offers based on public profile
    • Rashford agrees to deals/offers while using same to also give more to charity (both a portion of his fee and money from those companies donating)
    • Rashford still becomes more popular
    • Rashford due to all of the above has now increased his own wealth/status, while government policy and funding for vulnerable children has been increased, and charitable donations also increased due to Rashford's campaigns/deals

    The accusation seems to be that since Rashford has now likely increased his own wealth, his charity work is therefore tainted and not altruistic and he should be condemned for it (in line with Jimmy Saville). But the accusation seems entirely centered on the idea that Rashford only did it all to make a profit for himself.

    An accusation eskimohunt and others have provided no basis for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,124 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is a good man for always getting a mention in for the foreign aid as well. Its always good to highlight the hard work done round the world



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Rashford should have been forthcoming and disclosed any potential conflict of interest between his charitable endeavour (which was passed off to the world as entirely selfless) and his own already vast bank balance.

    And the only link this has with Jimmy Saville is that both are cloaking their behaviour behind how great they are at charitable work.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's a permier league footballer and an international player. Even someone with as little interest as I have in the sport knows he'd be a multi-millionaire. Funny how you don't state that racists should have to keep their opinions to themselves. It's only working class black men who've pulled themselves up by their bootstraps that think children shouldn't starve.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,124 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You do not have any proof that Rashford has done anything illegal or inappropriate. All you have is an article you have not read and the Spectator has not published.

    Frankly I find it shocking the the mods have allowed this libel slander to go unchecked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Again though, a point you seem to have ignored is that his campaigning was for the government to change their policy, and for the government to provide those meals (at an expense which would have vastly outweighed anything he could afford himself). There is also no conflict of interest, it's well known that footballers get paid tens or hundreds of thousands per week and are millionaires.

    He has also donated parts of his own money, and as part of the deals he signed he got those companies to donate to charity too.

    Again, your accusation seems to be that he did all of this to increase his own bank balance rather than that being a by-product of offers/deals he signed after doing charitable work in forcing the government u-turn which he wouldn't have earned any money from. An accusation you have yet to provide any basis for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    How should he have "disclosed" this alleged "conflict of interest", a conflict that you haven't even thrashed out yet.


    What was the "conflict of interest" in your eyes?


    How has Rashford acted "inappropriately"?


    What "behaviour" has he been cloaking that you feel is worthy of him being likened to Jimmy Saville?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What does "Profited from his charitable work" mean to you here and when does it become "wrong"

    As others have said - I am sure that more companies got in touch with Rashford to ask him to work with them as a result of his increased (overwhelming positive) profile.

    It's absolutely believable that Company X (or companies) last summer when looking for new people to appear in advertising etc. would have been more likely to pick Rashford than before and indeed offer him more money than they might previously had - He was more well known and more importantly was being associated with good things, which is exactly what companies want from a spokesperson. Just as they would be doing the opposite were he to have been associated with bad things.

    There are lots of examples of people losing endorsements on foot of bad behaviour , so it stands to reason that the inverse applies for good behaviours.

    That's not a bad thing at all and I see no problem with that whatsoever , especially as it would seem that Rashford used that increased income to give more even funds to charity.

    Now if Rashford was billing the Charity for excessive expenses/fees or using charity money to buy portraits of himself to hang in his home or using charity money to pay legal bills for lawsuits completely unrelated to the Charity then I would absolutely hope and expect that he and anyone else involved would be roundly pilloried and censured for their actions and that legal proceedings would take place as appropriate.

    On balance given the thus far complete and total lack of a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm going to go with the former being true and that the now more famous and extremely well regarded Rashford simply commands a higher market rate now than he might previously done and nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    what conflict of interest? what has been established? You have no idea if he has acted inappropriately. You are basing this on personal dislike and nothing else. He embarrassed the UK government you admire so much and you think that deserves a comparison with a child abuser. As I said earlier you don't require evidence to make your posts. Facts and reality are irrelevant to your postings.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have repeatedly stated that we must wait for The Spectator article. I have no doubt there are legal implications that must be robustly dealt with.

    Nothing has been firmly established. However, judging by Marcus Rashford's Tweets about the matter, it appears that some kernel of truth may be behind the allegations.

    I wouldn't have written those Tweets unless something true were about to be uncovered.

    But as I say, we must wait for The Spectator to disclose the details concerning the allegations.

    If it is established that a conflict of interest existed, then yes, my analysis will be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    You said that rashford acted inappropriately. You said he had a conflict of interests. you may have repeated stated that we must wait for the spectator article but you have have not applied that standard to yourself. yours posts on rashford have been dishonest and not based on any established facts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Spectator is nothing more than a racist hate-rag. If they have something ironclad, I'll take it seriously. Anything short of that and I'll just dismiss it as their ususal hateful drivel.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    So you don't think a kid who came from nothing, was supported by a mother who had nothing and worked his arse off to get among the elite in his field is genuine in his attempt to make the world a little less **** for kids who are in a situation he once was and worse?


    Get off it



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