Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

this'll be the last thread on it anyway, I'd say, with not having to roll over every 10,000 posts on the new system,

or maybe Beasty will start one more, for old times sake

Varadker said before that vaccinating the vulnerable alone would drop hospitalisations and deaths by 98%. To be honest, even if back of the envelope stuff, that to me indicates covid is far less harmful than the flu as I had understood covid to be 3-5 times more harmful than the flu without vaccines in play.

Where are we in this thread anyway, If we're using the same software as Digital Spy, their threads are infinite with no end number, so maybe this thread will continue if its past the 10,000 mark.

What did you actually say Goldengirl as your reply came up blank, I'm on desktop rather than phone.

A lot of informative posters haven't returned since the changeover. There were a couple who used to post detailed breakdown on facts and figures almost daily.

Personally speaking, I find it hard, even tiring to scroll through threads and catch up things, not just covid related but across all threads I followed in the past.

But does it matter, hospital numbers aren't out of control, vast majority of over 40s are fully vaccinated and its open to over 16s from today. Within the next few weeks the age group with most of current cases will be vaccinated and numbers will fall off a cliff.

Such a strange article. Says 'senior health sources' say there is very little cases (a lot less than 10% of cases used previously as an estimate) who are in hospital with covid but there for other reasons. Then says these people need just as much hospital resources to be cared for so there shouldn't be a distinction between both. Well which is it, the first point or the second on? because if the first is true the second point is basically irrelevant.

The whole someone in hospital for something else but have covid is just as big a strain on resources argument is missing a huge point that's purposefully ignored. It's not just about hospitals being under pressure. Another very important thing is how many people are getting sick enough from covid to need hospitalisation. That's the link between cases to severe disease needing hospitalisation. The higher that is the more worried the general public will be about catching covid, people in hospital for a surgery but happen to test positive should definetly not be included in this. It's just another case of manipulation of data to get people to comply. Same as when Tony mentioned yesterday how hospitalisations have increased significantly when he and most of us know right well its inflated due to less discharges over the weekend. I'm actually getting sick of this manipulation of data now.

Any sign of the bridezillas in Dublin yet?

They did start on a plan and Reid seems very keen to fix things. Whether he and the HSE are up to that job still remains to be seen. Either way it will take a few years to see signs of it and a decade or more to see more beneficial effects.

Yes a strange article from the sources

"“This is not a case of Dr Doom massaging the figures to influence ministers,” said one source.

“The CMO [chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan] is not padding out the data with irrelevant material. These indirect cases exist, but they are not a major phenomenon.”

They reject the 10% figure the government were working on

The CMO had no issue being concerned in cases of hospitalisation rising 10 cases in 4 days in early June so even if these cases are 5% then that's 7 people who came into hospital for something else they should have no bother getting some nuance in the figures

The hub seems to have 142 this morning. I'd be expecting/hoping a bit of a decrease in this evenings numbers. It seems the Monday decrease doesn't always happen on a Monday anymore since the hack and can happen up to Wednesday morning.

point is there isnt much of that either (mil trying to get a procedure at the moment)

I had to wait for a month for a private MRI. Pre Covid you'd be waiting a few days.