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Air Corps SAR

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    #212
    speedbird777
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    Does anyone know the next key day date in regards the contract. I was under the impression this month was when it would be awarded


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    #213
    roadmaster
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    speedbird777 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the next key day date in regards the contract. I was under the impression this month was when it would be awarded

    Did CHC not get an extra 12/24 months added to there contract last year to allow extra time for the department of transport


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    #214
    Markcheese
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    In some ways it would be no harm to have more than 1 contract in the state - say the air-corp tendering for an east coast service - from a competition point of view - and from a " if you expect a decent air corp service then expect to pay for it "

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #215
    roadmaster
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    I wonder is this morning irish times article fully true and do the air corps have a sar crew on stand by?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/air-corps-craft-placed-on-standby-over-fears-coastguard-helicopter-would-ditch-in-sea-1.4611391?mode=amp


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    #216
    [Deleted User]
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    they have an on call crew


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    #217
    Dohvolle
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    Nasty incident.


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    #218
    punchdrunk
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    Dohvolle wrote: »
    Nasty incident.

    A non event being blown up by folks with an agenda


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    #219
    speedbird777
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    happywednesday wrote: »
    they have an on call crew

    That were called in from home ?? Lol stop will ye


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    #220
    punchdrunk
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    speedbird777 wrote: »
    That were called in from home ?? Lol stop will ye

    When minutes count, back-up is only hours away...


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    #221
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    speedbird777 wrote: »
    That were called in from home ?? Lol stop will ye

    Incident was a 0545.... out of hours

    Air corps crew is on call with 45 min response time out of hours

    edit: Aircraft dependent, also AC112 can divert if close enough


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    #222
    speedbird777
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    happywednesday wrote: »
    Incident was a 0545.... out of hours

    Air corps crew is on call with 45 min response time out of hours

    edit: Aircraft dependent, also AC112 can divert if close enough

    Where are you getting your information from


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    #223
    Negative_G
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    happywednesday wrote: »

    Air corps crew is on call with 45 min response time out of hours

    Complete and utter bull. How about the duty tech crew? How about ATC between 2300 and 0700L? Any comment (idle speculation) on their availability? What about Mon-Fri Vs Weekend hours?

    EAS service is daylight VFR only. Given the length of the duty day currently, they are not active at 0545 in the morning as there is daylight until 2200L currently.

    There's enough BS in this thread, including plenty from Ex AC/DF/serving CHCI accounts so please let's not add to it.

    EAS carries AC Crewman and HSE AP. Whos going to operate the winch and who's going to be going down on the line if they can be called in for a maritime SAR event as you seem to infer?


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    #224
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    speedbird777 wrote: »
    Where are you getting your information from

    my ISP
    Negative_G wrote: »
    Complete and utter bull. How about the duty tech crew? How about ATC between 2300 and 0700L? Any comment (idle speculation) on their availability? What about Mon-Fri Vs Weekend hours?

    EAS service is daylight VFR only. Given the length of the duty day currently, they are not active at 0545 in the morning as there is daylight until 2200L currently.

    There's enough BS in this thread, including plenty from Ex AC/DF/serving CHCI accounts so please let's not add to it.

    EAS carries AC Crewman and HSE AP. Whos going to operate the winch and who's going to be going down on the line if they can be called in for a maritime SAR event as you seem to infer?

    everyone you mentioned sleeps on hammocks in the hanger, except the crew, they drive from home...

    HSE AP are used a sacrificial bait if sharks are encountered, co pilot functions winch... Casa does top cover and drops and Alouette 3 if required out the back


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    #225
    roadmaster
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    happywednesday wrote: »
    my ISP



    everyone you mentioned sleeps on hammocks in the hanger, except the crew, they drive from home...

    HSE AP are used a sacrificial bait if sharks are encountered, co pilot functions winch... Casa does top cover and drops and Alouette 3 if required out the back

    The HSE AP will be able to get an extra allowence for the sharks


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    #226
    roadmaster
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    An update below on the SAR contract. In it they mention the air corps providing fix wing cover. If that happens would we be potentially looking at two more casas fitted out for soley SAR like the canadian machines?

    https://afloat.ie/safety/coastguard/item/51305-potential-for-air-corps-as-hybrid-option-in-government-decision-on-new-coast-guard-aviation-service



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    #227
    Larbre34
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    Not a chance.

    Any SAR assistance role will be part of the operational role of the two current and forthcoming replacement MPAs and presumably the PC-12 fleet, within the limits of their capability.



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    #228
    punchdrunk
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    Should have taken that 5th PC-12!



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    #229
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670314#Comment_117670314

    There is no way they can provide this potential service with the existing fleet. They will need two long range patrol aircraft like the casa. One on standby and one spare for breakdowns and service cover. Even when it was mentioned about maybe providing a helicopter service it was always said it could only work if extra helicopters where bought and extra crews brought on. The same applys to fixed wing



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    #230
    punchdrunk
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    Keep the old casas’ flying?



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    #231
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672349#Comment_117672349

    Not an option, they are shagged to death and beyond at this stage, their service rates would be terrible.



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    #232
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672178#Comment_117672178

    You think Government cares? They never have before, they will just stick the tasking to the AC and have DOD refuse any manpower increases and then shrug when the AC can’t provide the operational rates needed.



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    #233
    Larbre34
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672178#Comment_117672178

    Which takes me back to my long contention that the Air Corps should have no role in civilian SAR.



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    #234
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117675014#Comment_117675014

    Certainly not without the amount of change needed, but no government is going to commit to that (nor the general public).



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    #235
    roadmaster
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    Chris Renyolds below giving his two cents! He also says he wanted the navy and the IRCG merged

    https://afloat.ie/safety/coastguard/item/51457-outgoing-irish-coast-guard-head-says-air-corps-has-to-be-available-24-7-if-it-wants-to-return-to-search-rescue



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    #236
    Larbre34
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    I agree with most of what Reynolds says, especially about the uncertainty of Air Corps availability. Its too dicey, we simply cannot allow the circumstances of R116 and the lack of fixed wing top cover to be replicated. If that means the Coastguard contractor provides one or two MPAs, so be it. A couple Of ATRs based at Dublin and Shannon would do the job.

    However I don't get his desire to see the CG and the NS merged. If we operated a Coastguard like the US operates a Coastguard, it would make sense, but we don't. Our CG is purely an SAR and safety service, with no security role. Meanwhile the NS has no aviation component and the DoD seems resistant to one. What sense would it be for Naval officers to be managing CG Air Stations?

    It could be that Reynolds' negative experience of being kept on a short leash by the DoT means he wants its future destiny to be free of them, but if he thinks it would be any better under DoD, well that's just naive.

    Who knows, maybe the DF Commission will recommend a whole new unified force structure for the AC and NS and perhaps the CG could be brought into that assessment, but to my mind, that's not what's lacking in the case of either or all of the services.



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    #237
    roadmaster
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    What assets would the coastguard have to merge with the navy? They have 3 radio stations i think and a scattering of voulntary rescue stations



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    #238
    Dohvolle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117746912#Comment_117746912

    A few ribs, jeeps and ATVs.



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    #239
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117747940#Comment_117747940

    So combined, very little to do with or add to the NS…



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    #240
    Dohvolle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748005#Comment_117748005

    Apart from most of the full time staff being ex Naval officers, no.

    There was many times a ballhop in Haulbowline that all the stocks of grey paint had been returned to the supplier, and replaced by red and white paint instead.

    Maybe the Former Naval officer and soon to be former head of the Coasties didn't realise it was a ballhop



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    #241
    Larbre34
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    Forget the jeeps and the rhibs, what the CG do have, is a current and prospective future contract worth a Billion quid to manage.

    Two things the Navy don't do are, 1) manage large commercial contracts and 2) Fly.



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