Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Given that the latest set of projections go from well above where we are now to whole counties getting sick at the same time I'm not sure about the definition of accurate. The UK rate of hospitalisation was under 2% yet they opted for a range of 2%-3%. Why? They didn't take the change to J&J into account saying it wouldn't change anything, yet it has.

What has Donnelly got to do with anything? He just tweets what other people tell him. Of our two recent ministers he's a very distant second and Harris was no great shakes.

The HSE are running the programme and yes vaccination has improved things but it's really not included in their models. If it were they'd see how far off some of those upper scaremongering projections are. They wouldn't need to comment on the "slow rise" of cases in July, something they did not predict in models.

It is about time they delivered good news anyway. Thankfully, it was easy because communications from that quarter has been quite appalling at times since last October. TBH their time is coming to an end and we should thank them for their service, as we are heading to where we no longer need them.

Remember folk that this is a religion. If the numbers increased then they were right, and if the numbers fell, then they were also right.

People immediately called out those models as total bollocks at the time and everything since has shown that to be the case.

I listened to the majority of the NPHET briefing today and I've been critical about them on here quite a bit in how they present figures and are overly negative but I thought they were very optimistic today and gave a great press conference, particularly Tony Holohan. Suggested further easing in next few weeks and also hinted at end of all restrictions in not to distant future also. Also put to bed the idea of herd immunity being possible.

I was in a private hospital back in May, for non coivid reasons, and the radiographer that did my ct said they are at it 12 to 13 hours a day with a mobile mri unit in the car park to help

This is of course the no-lose situation with NPHET. Come up with dreadful modelling to push a change, change goes through - now we will 'never know' if the modelling was correct at all because the circumstances have changed.

And you lap it up

Not saying there's anything to be done. It's done.

But the generalisation that obese people are the only people that are classed as vulnerable is what is the disgusting part. There are thousands of people who have a vulnerable status that are not obese. A sweeping generalisation and no empathy whatsoever.

It's also been suggested that those in a vulnerable condition should just now keep out of the way now.

My disgust has nothing to do with how we are coming out if this horror.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. But to be blunt, she has been vaccinated! What more can you legitimately expect from society?

Could you read the further post I made. It's not about my daughter. It's the generalisation of vulnerable people being put into an obese category without empathy. Such statements seem to be the norm for that poster though.

Do you think overweight people should just keep out if the way now? Vaccine got, now back in the box? As the poster suggested.

Well if they have been vaccinated, then what else are you looking for?

Perhaps an education to some on what illnesses are under the vulnerable umbrella, not just old or obese people. Throwaway statements show ignorance.

And maybe reading posts correctly!

Huh!?

Do you think overweight people should just keep out if the way now? Vaccine got, now back in the box? As the poster suggested

I responded directly to your question about overweight people once vaccinated! Which bit did I misread?

Maybe they should take responsibility for their own health and risk and not expect society to stay shut down to keep them safe? Just a suggestion