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The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I think we'd be wise to look back at what Clare did to stifle this Waterford running game.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I'm not sure Waterford will put as much pressure on our puck outs as Limerick did, at least once they got it together. That, in theory, should enable Barry to vary it a bit more. Those bombs going down on the full back lines are ok once in a while but they favour the backs too much and give running teams like Waterford too many chances to build.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Tipp 77


    It will be an interesting team announcement for this one. Anyone heard anything about ticket availability



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    Waterford 13/8 sweet Jesus that looks good. I would never bet against tipp but my missus might put a 100 on the blahs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan



    Link for the game tonight

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Minors getting hockeyed at half time, dreadfull first half performance 1. 14 to 5 pints at the break. Waterford full value for their lead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan




  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    An absolute disgrace.

    since 2017 our Minors have been getting worse and worse in standard, that’s 5 years on very poor standard ,2019 was a brutal standard but that tonight amazingly has topped it

    a new famine could be coming our way unless the county board get their finger out.

    very worrying stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    What would you suggest county board do to change things? From when the county squads starts at under 14 all the way through to minor?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Waterford's use of possession was much better than ours, played good ball into their forward line. They definitely had the best 3-4 individuals on the field as well as looking better coached. Their sweeper was exactly what you'd expect a sweeper to be; bizarrely we didn't appear to have a free man at the back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭kefflin


    When I'm watching underage matches in tipp. I always feel the standard of players is top class can't understand why we havent had decent minor teams lately



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    Liam Cahill's results as the manager of the minor team in his first year:

    Limerick 3-17 - 2-11 Tipperary

    Clare 1-23 - 0-12 Tipperary



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    first recognise the game is professional in all but name

    then from under 14 work on getting the best players the very best strength and conditioning and coaching that money will buy

    have no doubt Limerick cork Galway and Kilkenny are Doing that

    yet again tipp always seem behind the curve



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    And what did Liam say was holding back tipp hurling

    • Football and the dual players
    • Underage not being taken serious with regards s and c and professional training.

    anyone who knows Liam Cahill knows he is a true hurling man who wants tipp to be the power house they could be

    cahill was very disheartened he did not get the gig in 2019 . Expect Waterford players to bring his resentment and anger into Saturdays game

    they are favourites and I think they will beat us and give Limerick enough of it too in the final



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    My point was Woodlock can turn it around. People have to start somewhere.

    I don't see how what you're saying is relevant to my post.

    I get your a Liam Cahill supporter, waiting for Tipp to lose so Liam Cahill can get the job. You don't have to keep banging the drum. You've been on here before. Same story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    When you say recognise the game is pro in all but name what exactly dom you mean by that?

    Is it really strength and conditioning thats the issue or is it more and who are these coaches that you would be getting in and how would you be developing these coaches as well? You need to be getting the coaches in the clubs and the schools to be better if you really want improvements at inter county and that means more coaching courses, coaching meet ups etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    Published in 2018

    Premier Plan: Towards 2020

    Coaching and Games Development There are currently five people working full-time in Coaching and Games Development in Tipperary. The role of the GDA has changed considerably in recent times and there must be a realisation and acceptance that this role will change even further as Tipperary GAA continues to evolve, change and be proactive in tackling the many challenges facing our organisation. The original employee worked mainly as a Primary School Coach. While this is still an important part of his work schedule, the duties have broadened considerably to the extent that the modern GDA is now very much an organiser, coordinator and educator, as well as a coach. Flexibility and mobility is very important as the GDA continues to support the large volunteer sector working on the ground. While most of the employee’s work is within their allocated area, at times they are required to assist with county/provincial events and activities. With Croke Park, Munster GAA and County Board investing heavily in this area, it is vitally important that a thoroughly professional approach is taken by all concerned, thus ensuring the best possible product is delivered. The quality of delivery by the GDAs is vital to the success of all programmes. The GDA’s work can be categorised under one or more of the following National Key Areas: 1. Games Opportunities (Child) 2. Games Opportunities (Youth) 3. School Initiatives 4. Camps 5. Talent Academies 6. Learning & Development GDA’s Main Area of Work Within the above key areas the following are the areas of responsibility to be covered by the GDA during the year.  Club Development (Admin & Planning)  Primary Schools  Post Primary Schools  Academies  Camp Programme  Go Games Blitzes/Leagues  Super Games Centres Intra/Inter/Fixed and Open Premier Plan: Towards 2020 10  Skills Tests  Adult Club Development  Coach and Referee Education  Planning and Reporting (MIS & TMS)  Promotion & Publicity Games Development Administrators’ Allocated Regions GDA Allocated Area Contact Andy Ryan Mid Tipperary + Killenaule, Ballinahinch, Newport and Sean Treacys 087-9090985 andy.ryan.gda.tipperary@gaa.ie Paudie Malone North Tipperary 087-9698153 paudie.malone.gda.tipperary@gaa.ie Kevin Halley West Tipperary + Cahir, Fethard and Clerihan 086-1925188 kevin.halley.gda.tipperary@gaa.ie Colm Canning South Tipperary 083-1243725 colm.canning.gda.tipperary@gaa.ie In the 2010-2015 County Strategic Plan, a wide range of activities was included. Many of these have now been subsumed into the operational side of coaching and games development. Examples would be “Go Games” and “Camps” which are now central to our operation. For the 2018-2020 plan we are concentrating mainly on two areas: Resources/Manpower and Youth Player Development. As the work load increases, the demand on the GDAs has grown hugely. Currently, staff is at maximum in terms of workload. In spite of efforts to streamline and organise work around the key project areas it is still proving very difficult to avoid the fire-fighting effect that the workload always seems to throw up. While the staff is completely committed to their roles the danger with this type of pressure is that standards might drop and quality of work produced is not up to the mark. In this plan, changes are suggested to the running of the Primary School coaching scheme and how it operates. Also suggested is the employment of extra full time and part time personnel. We feel this is necessary to keep standards up and to cater for all programmes across the key areas. A significant drop out (58%) occurs from 13 to 21 years of age. While there are a number of factors causing this, lack of perceived ability, loss of interest, lack of game time to mention a few, we must try to avert some of the drop out. Recent surveys tell us that games and the availability of playing opportunity is a major factor in players giving up. In the plan we propose to implement strategies, through the provision of extra games opportunities, to alleviate some, if not all, of the fall off in playing numbers. Premier Plan: Towards 2020 11 Findings in the Strategic Plan Survey, from a games development point of view, provided vital information: 90% of clubs have a coach in their Primary Schools 70% of clubs provide other resources to the Primary Schools. 60% of clubs provide no assistance to the Post Primary sector. Over 80% of clubs appoint their officers at the AGM while mentors and selectors are appointed in the same manner in 50% of clubs. Officers select team mentors in 40% of clubs. There is a very obvious lack of real connect between the juvenile club and the adult club. When asked what number of games per year would be considered adequate for juvenile players, all clubs agreed that 14 would be the minimum number required for each age group. 55% of clubs agreed that the club minor age should revert to 17 in line with county and that each subsequent age should drop one year. Over 95% of clubs run coaching courses and other coach education events each year. This is very healthy from a games development point of view. Objective: Increase participation and improve playing standards. Action Responsibility Timescale Outcome Primary Schools:  Primary School Coaching Recording System  Restructuring of Primary School Coaching Scheme  GAA ‘Get Fit 4 Fun’ Programme / 5 Star Centres GM/GDA/CGC GM/GDA/CGC Co. Comm. GM/GDA/CGC Sept 2017 /Jan 2018 Jan 2018 /Dec 2020 Sept 2018 /Dec 2020 Electronically based recording and monitoring system to streamline and manage reporting of coaching scheme Consolidate scheme by employing full-time coaches on a part-time basis in schools. Child Physical Competence through Gaelic Games Post Primary Schools:  GAA Post Primary Support Groups  Post Primary “Football Development” Project  Restructure U14 Football Blitz (Rockwell) GM/GDA/CGC Co. Comm GM/GDA/CGC Football Comm GM/GDA/CGC Jan 2018/Dec 2020 March/April 2018 May 2018 Code specific Support Groups in Post Primary School in the County. Promotion and develop standard of Gaelic Football at Youth level. More beneficial series of competitive games for the age bracket. Premier Plan: Towards 2020 12  Post Primary School Transition Year Programme. GM/GDA Sept 2018 Qualify this cohort of students to assist with GAA Development in schools and clubs Fixtures Planning:  Designated day per age group  Integrate Munster and County CGD Fixtures into Div/County Fixtures Co./Div CCC/ Co. Comm Co./Div CCC/ Co. Comm/ GM/GDA March 2018 March 2018 Smoother running of our championships across each age group To allow clubs the opportunity to participate in all available competitions/blitzes Games Opportunities: Child  Premier Go Games Club Blitz Programme  Premier Go Games School Blitz Programme  Winter Games Programme  U11 Premier Leagues GDA/Volunteer Army GDA/ Teachers/TY Students GM/GDA/ Clubs GM/GDA/CGC Annually March to October Annually Sept to June Annually November/Feb March/October Two blitz opportunities in each club for each age group per month. Provide extra appropriate games opportunities to compliment Cumman na mBunscoil. Offer games opportunities to clubs during Winter months. Provision of Hurling and Football games for all clubs on a weekly fixtures programme. Games Opportunities: Youth  Winter Games Programme  Premier Super Game Centres  Initiate Youth County Leagues GM/GDA/ Clubs GM/GDA GM/GDA/ Co BNG/ Co & Div Boards Annually Nov - Feb Annually SeptMarch Jan 2018- Dec 2020 Offer games opportunities to clubs during Winter months. Additional games for youth players in each division Players at youth level will receive a cluster of meaningful games Premier Plan: Towards 2020 13 Camps  Implement a Youth Camp Programme  Consolidate Easter/Summer Camps GM/GDA GM/GDA Jan 2018 Jan 2018 Extend camp opportunities to youth players Maintain current club and participant numbers Coach Education  Club Coach Pathway  Club Coaching Community of Learning  Club Youth Coach Knowledge Transfer Group  Annual County Coaching Seminar GM/GDA GM/GDA GM/GDA/ Tutors GM/GDA Jan 2018-Dec 2020 Jan 2018 Feb 2018 Annually Feb Coaches will have come through a systematic coach education programme in their club Knowledge transfer between coaches in the club Knowledge transfer between coaches county based Up skill and educate coaches on specific topics Academy  3 rd level student placement  Appoint Recruitment officers in both codes  Rookie Squad GM/GDA/ CGD/LIT GM/GDA/Co. Comm GM/GDA/Co. Comm Jan 2018 Oct 2017 To formally introduce an LIT student placement initiative to complement development in the areas of Academy, Primary, Post Primary and Coach level. Appointment of top quality mentors/coaches to Academy squads Provide development pathway for non county U21 players Club Development  Player/Coach/ Club Officer Pathway  Club 2020 Youth Coach Development  Annual Club Workshop/Seminar Programme GM/GDA/Co Dev Comm/Co. Comm. GM/GDA/Co Dev Comm/Co. Comm GM/GDA/Co Dev Jan 2018 Jan 2018 Jan 2018 Clear avenue for development of the three strands Through a proper club/youth coach philosophy lead to a reduction in the fall off at youth level Dedicated series of workshops/seminars aimed at specific coach//player groups to further compliment the coach education programme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    my point is gaa year on year goes more and more professional. Going back to Kerry in the 70s and 80s and even Tipps ending of the famine was done mainly through injection of a lot of money, people don’t like to admit that though

    in all professional sports it’s the wealthiest that ultimately win

    My point is simple. hurling is now a game where strength and conditioning and speed are more important then skill - sure sign of professionalism. Hurling is now more physical then it ever has been

    Tipp don’t have the money to fund both codes fully , that’s the reality and as long as we do so we will continue to underperform underage in both.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    Do you ever take a day off with that absolute cack?

    Almost salivating at the prospect of Cahill beating Tipperary for some mental reason. Supporting one man over your county is absolutely bizarre.

    Cahill can have no complaints that he didn't get the job in 2019 given that the man that was appointed won an All Ireland.

    Waterford are not favourites but you keep living in the Cahill-obsessed fantasy land you've created.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,846 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    How's tickets looking from the Tipp side?

    Seems club allocation in Waterford sold out in mins. Raging as I was at the last 2 qualifers



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    would you stop. I will never shout for anyone but tipp. I hope they win the all Ireland and I am man enough to admit being wrong if they do

    there is nothing wrong with calling out poor decisions by sheedy for example The Munster final loss lies fully with sheedy as how he stood and watched the second half unfold without making changes is truly bizarre.

    and Waterford are favourites, they go in after trouncing Galway, we go in after being demolished by Limerick in 35 minutes. if tipp are favourites then surely we are also favourites to make the final with Limerick.

    time will tell but just remember no excuses on Saturday evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Ompala


    On the subject of our underage teams - it always strikes me (with the exception of the U20/U21 with Cahill) that we tactically seem behind other teams e.g running into space for puckouts vs crowding under a high dropping ball. From our U20 this year I'd argue there was plenty of ability in the team but they looked poor tactically vs Waterford and Cork.



  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    If it's any consolation have a look on the kilkenny thread.. lads on their have the exact same complaints re underage structure..strength and conditioning...stone age tactics



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    John Devane might not make the intercounty grade as a manager based on the last two seasons. Some of the positioning and selections...

    I think Woodlock picked a very young minor squad/team with an eye on growth/development. He's getting it in the ear now for that decision. Had a number of 15-year-olds in there.

    I think something like 16 of the squad are under age again next year. I think the view in some quarters is, you have more of a chance to develop players and gel a team over a two-year period- exposing them to bigger players, losses, and hopefully they'll respond into a stronger team the following year - giving them a longer apprenticeship rather than producing winning teams.

    Time will tell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


        I wonder if Sheedy is considering anything like this or will he stay conservative:          

    Barry Hogan

    C BARRETT       Pauric Maher       Kennedy

                             Dan McC

     A Flynn              Ronan Maher    B Heff


            Paddy Cadell        Willie Connors


    Jake Morris              Breen

                              Bubbles

    Jason Forde          Mark Kehoe




    OR


                   Barry Hogan

    C BARRETT       Pauric Maher       Kennedy

                                   

     A Flynn              Ronan Maher    B Heff

              Paddy Cadell        Dan McC


         Jake Morris      Breen     Mark Kehoe

                             Bubbles

            Jason Forde          Seamus Callanan   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,846 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    any spare tickets for the game Saturday let me know please



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Tipp 77


    Think it's the same as your end nothing to be had



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,846 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yeah the 6000 attendance is a killer

    Why was the 7000 touted earlier in the week?



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