Prosecutions of British military veterans in Northern Ireland.

Well, as someone who has defended the New IRA and the murder of Lyra McKee you have no credibility here I am afraid.

No.

I have a heirarchy of responsibility because as the world now knows only too well, a government colluded with a sectarian statelet until it went up in flames and was a player/combatant in the conflict/war that followed. A conflict/war that was wrong from the beginning.

You tend to support that government and the remnants of that sectarian statelet politically just as the power swap chose to do. Even if you pretend to be critical of them, you are only really doing it to score cheap political point.

I have never had any shame or compunction about blaming the responsible government for allowing a set of circumstances to exist that resulted in conflict/war.

I also want a Truth Recovery process primarily for the victims, even if that results in prosecutions for whomever.

There is a single word of complaint from me about the sentences served by convicted IRA men and women or their deaths n active service. They have their share of blame for what happened too.

YOU come on a thread about the states involvement in murder, cover up and amnesty and all you want to do is point the finger at SF and you accuse me of being 'political'.

Sad, pathetic and nauseous.

Lies again about Warrington. Scurrilous lies. Not to mention a seriously bad grasp of history, not the first time you showed that.

You aren't worth debating Mark because of what you will stoop to try and goad. Another FGer who lies when caught in a bind.

No I didn't advocate an invasion, I advocated a humanitarian incursion that did not attack any British installations and was flagged internationally as such...you twisted and lied about what I said.

You asked what the IRA's thinking was about Warrington and what it achieved for them. You twisted and lied about my answer which was analytical and never once voiced support for what they where doing.

I have said repeatedly that they all bear a share of the blame and responsibility but that the primary responsibility lies with those who created the circumstances for conflict/war. You lie and twist that too into me ONLY blaming the British.

There's a great irony in seeing someone swan into a thread specifically about the British military to start ranting about SF while accusing others of being political or politicising victims, Mark.

Oh no, don't tell me that bandwagon of the "humanitarian invervention" has started again. Thankfully the leaders of this country had more sense than you at that time and we weren't turned into a NATO Protectorate thanks to stupid actions like you advocated.

Who cares about the IRA's thinking about Warrington, you put forward the theory that it helped them, that is on you.

The primary responsibility for what happened in the North is borne by SF/IRA.

At least it's out in the open now in a quotable quote.

This is the 'wait for the British and a Unionist sectarian government' to get around to being democrats, nonsense again.

There were reasons why there was a Civil Rights Movement and reasons why people were being beaten off streets, injured and killed.

There are NO reasons why what was achieved in the GFA could not have been achieved in 1960/1965 or 1970.

BUT...The primary responsibility for what happened in the North is borne by SF/IRA says blanch.

I am not misrepresenting a single thing you said.

NOBODY in the nationalist community believed what you have invented, that civil rights were coming, not even your hero John Hume.

You are once again blaming the Irish, when the primary blame rests with the government who should have delivered a democracy to the people they partitioned.

They didn't, even the protestant church's leaders in the South in the 1920's knew what would happen - Harold Wilson knew as did Edward Heath.

It happened. People on all sides died by murder and by accident.

But...The primary responsibility for what happened in the North is borne by SF/IRA...says blanch and also belligerent Unionists like the DUP and Jamie Bryson.

You've made it very clear when you talk about the people of NI, Blanch.....there was no, 'We' where you're concerned.

You'll recall how well things were progressing for that Civil Rights Movement before a single Provo bullet was fired or bomb planted. Fifty years into the existence of the statelet and of course you'd expect us to believe equality and was just round the corner (never mind the fact that the DUP continue to block moves towards equality to this very day). Path to change my ar*e...simply put, you don't have a scooby doo what you're talking about. I've said it before; you discuss NI with all the understanding of someone who read about it in a newspaper once.

None of this makes the actions of the Provos right, or morally justified.....but you couldn't honestly believe the narrative you've just typed out is even chronologically accurate?!

You see, that is the exact type of sleeveen-type misrepresentation that I am talking about. Where, in any of my posts on the subject, have I said that SF are primarily responsible for Bloody Sunday?

Well perhaps you need to be clearer, Blanch. To me, it reads that you're suggesting that the descent into violence that occurred in NI was primarily the responsibility of SF/PIRA, so I pointed out that NI had already descended into violence before a single Provo bullet was fired, and so clearly they can't have been primarily responsible for that.

If you're suggesting that SF/PIRA were primarily responsible for the actions of SF/PIRA, well duh....one would think that was so obvious as to not need stating any more than saying the British Government were primarily responsible for the actions of their army.

Or if you're trying to isolate and separate the actions of the PIRA as if they occurred in a bubble and weren't in any way connected to the violence of the British state forces or Loyalist Paramilitaries just so you can stick your, 'primary responsibility' nonsense in.....well that would be too idiotic to warrant a reply.

Well, you see, that's just it, you interpret my words one way, I know I said different and I made that clear. You keep hammering at the wrong point, why I don't know? It doesn't add anything to the discussion, it makes it about the poster, not the substance.

Your desperate attempt coming soon after Mark's similar one - to make another thread about SF - has failed. Rumbled.

It's deluded that you and Mark try to turn every thread into a Shinner one. Ha! 😀😀

It is a fact. Republicans killed far more people than any other group in the North, and they also killed more Catholics/Nationalists than the British Security forces.

They are here to play the paritionist/belligerent Unionist - exonerate the government.

It's akin to blaming the French Resistance for WW2. Totally ignore why the war started in the first place and who was at fault for the circumstances that allowed it to begin.

Accusing people of being political/politicising situations when throwing your usual SF rants into a thread that isn't about SF is right up there on the delusion stakes, Blanch.

I'd suggest you do take a look into some of the less than pleasant things carried out by the French Resistance though; as understandable as most people think resisting Nazi occupation was (you probably reckon they should've written a letter to their local Wehrmacht leader and asked nicely that they stop pillaging their community and waited 50 years to see how that worked out in fairness), they were also guilty of war crimes, including the execution of PoWs.

Ironic given the IRA supported the Nazis and the Third Reich.

Sure one of Mary Lou's first acts, when she became a SF member, was to give a speech at the Sean Russell statue, an out-and-out Nazi sympathiser and collaberator.

Deflecting attention from British responsibility for what they did, is what these guys are at. And it isn't because they care about the north, it is because they know if the British are held to account they can no longer pretend that it was the Irish(SF and the IRA) who were 'the primary cause of what happened here'.

Like other words, you need to look up the meaning of 'cause'.

The IRA/UVF/INLA/UFF were symptoms of what was caused here on this island.