Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

"Nope you are wrong " Bit of a pompous statement imo.

You know people who were happier to become infected rather than get vaccinated, and I know people who became infected and were so ill that if they could have travelled back in time would gladly have accepted a jab from a blunt knitting needle. So what make your anecdotal evidence so superior to mine for you to deem mine wrong ?

Last year there were 148 road fatalities in Ireland. 12th March 2020 - 12th March 2021 there were 4,518 Covid deaths so not really comparable when Covid was rampant. What makes them comparable now is the effect vaccines have had. So the arguement I believe that holds true for the control of this virus is vaccination, and the higher number vaccinated the less risk to those who are unable for medical reasons to avail of a vaccine.Also the less numbers not vaccinated leaves this virus less space for future mutations. Something we have seen with the various variants where it had large numbers to play with.

I have no real opinion on vaccinating younger people, other than we would need to vaccinate everyone aged 16 and over to reach herd immunity, which is really the ideal for dropping all restrictions and living with this virus. Personally as far as that is concerned I would look on it as the more 12 -16 year olds that avail of the vaccine of their own free will the better to ensure herd immunity. How a country like Bulgaria will move forward without vaccines I have no idea, but with 2,600 deaths per million to date, possibly not well

How the likes of

I am in my late 40`s reasonably good health and physical condition, fully vaccination so no particular worries about serious illness or death from this virus. How countries

I said you were wrong about me but you want to turn it into a dick measuring competition with my covid experience is worse than yours. I don't care you have yours I have mine and that's it. You dismissed mine because it doesn't fit with yours simple as that.

It's how when Y2K went by without planes dropping out of the sky and people were wondering why there was a fuss made over it in the first place.

They had no idea that it was solved quietly by developers while everyone else got on with their lives.

Will you ever get over yourself. You said you knew people who were happier to have contracted Covid rather than get vaccinated. I said from those I knew who had contracted it, those you knew must have had very little mild symptoms because the people I know who had it were so ill that they would have traded trade that for a little jab of a needle any day of the week. Your reply was to tell me I was wrong.

Gaslighting it's called. Infantilising is how it can also be described. I can't believe so many people go for it, really it portrays the worst in Irish society as a whole; submissive, subservient and unthinking.

UK are now looking at a vaccination proof plan for games.

According to CDC, vaccinated people can spread covid even with no symptoms.

Makes the vaccine passports look a bit of a farce now, seeing as vaccinated people can still spread it without symptoms.

Not saying the previous poster is correct, But you can't compare exact numbers between road deaths and covid deaths, Covid deaths include some lad that was 97 and just dies of natural causes but happened to have covid so its a covid related death.

By that logic should we include people who happened to die in the back of an ambulance (From something unrelated) as a road death? As that's effectively what the government have done regards Covid.

Mass testing I presume - only way to be sure somebody doesnt have covid is to test them. Vaccines are not guarantee

The US problem is the very low level of unvaccinated in some places and the risk COVID poses to them. The vaccines all prevent serious illness and the vaccinated if reinfected have the equivalent of a cold.

Yes but covid passes are about keeping vaccinated people safe and preventing breakthrough infections - or so we were told.

But if those vaccinated people could be spreading too with no symptoms it makes a mockery of the whole thing. Vaccinations should be used by those at risk to protect themselves, but for everyone else it should be optional.

Fortunately it’s not the doom you and your back slapping buddies think it is or portray on here. Have a read of this thread on Twitter:

Key points. Shorter duration of detectable viral RNA in vaccinated 2.7 days vs 8.9 days un vaccinated, that’s a huge difference! . Viral loads from vaccinated who get symptomatic infection are similar to unvaccinated, but far less likely to get infected in the first place.

Bottom line is vaccinated people on average will be way less contagious than un vaccinated people.

so i can understand why vaccinated only allowed indoors until most people are vaccinated. The more people are vaccinated the closer the pandemic ends. It’s quite simple really. Vaccines work.

The problem in the USA are the moronic antivaxxers and it’s mostly because of them that vaccinated people now have to wear mask.