No August is not the start of Autumn

Do you propose we stop calling September "Meán Fomhair" (middle of Autumn) and October "Deireadh Fómhair" (end of Autumn)?

Irish calendar - Wikipedia

Everyone knows the Irish summer started 10 days ago and ended last Friday. Everything before that was winter and everything after that is winter.

Agreed OP. June, July and August are our warmest months. The kids are on their summer holidays not their Autumn holidays. Usually still have plenty of growth and colour in the garden etc. Also November is not Winter, February is colder and more likely that we would get snow in February then in November.

longest day c21 June, ie Midsummer. Autumn begins about a month and half later, ie at the end of the second half of summer, roughly 7th August

If you want to simplify it just based on the normal weather. Spring: March April May, Summer: June July August, Autumn: Sept Oct Nov and Winter:Dec Jan Feb.

May June July as Summer actually closer

Which is exactly what you’re doing.

The Celtic seasons which we observe are different to the meteorological seasons, they're based around the summer and winter solstace. Longest day is mid summer, shortest is mid winter.

It's not arbitrary and has nothing to do with farmers, it's based on a natural phenomenon which makes more sense than the seasons observed by the rest of the northern hemisphere.

Only killjoys think august is the start of autumn, i actually consider sept a summer / autumn hybrid

So you want September to be the 7th month, October the 8th, November 9th and December the 10th? That makes sense.

Is there a way to set a reminder for 20yesrs here?

Officially, in Ireland, June, July & August are the summer months.

Some people think differently because they still abide by what they were taught when they 5 years old in a Catholic school (May-July is the catholic church calendar, and based on saint's days and other such nonsense). At the same time they were being fed this nonsense, they were also taught about baby jesus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa claus.

It has never once occurred to these people that they were getting their "summer" holidays in July & August in primary school; June, July & August in secondary school and even June July, August & some/all of September in college. They never questioned why the 5 months of daylights savings are November to March (final month of Autumn, 3 months of Winter and the first month of Spring). And, of course never questioned why August is warmer than May (on average). They will also likely be unaware that the official department of education position on it is that, while May-July is incorrect, it is ok to teach the wrong seasons in a Catholic primary school (but teach the correct seasons in educate together, non-denom schools etc), as students will be taught the correct seasons later when they enter second-level - except, for a reason that only the Department of Education can answer - the seasons of the year don't feature in any subject at second-level, so a considerable number of Irish people go through life with a stupid misconception. Only in Ireland.

because with global warming there'll be no seasons

There's no standardised definition of seasons. Different countries use meteorological, astronomical, climatological or cultural definitions. I'm interested in all four subjects but I use the traditional Irish seasons, with spring starting on February 1st and autumn on August 1st. If that's a bit too "catholic" for some people, well the catholic feasts exist in the first place because they replaced older pagan ones. Blame the druids. Either way, it's nothing to apologise for, nor worth getting the panties in a twist about.

The fact of the matter is, the Irish climate is too variable to base anything around. The conventional meteorological definitions are better suited to continental climates with larger seasonal temperature variations, where winter snows arrive and depart to a reasonably standard schedule. This year I was watching birds collect nesting material in early January. I've often seen trees start to push out new buds without even the decency to wait for the end of December. First cut of the grass could be required anywhere between early February and the end of March.

I've an additional objection to summer starting in June by either meteorological or astronomical definitions. On the Atlantic fringe of Europe it is the month in which we get the "return of the westerlies", sometimes called the European monsoon. The westerly Atlantic airflow often weakens in April and May, only to return in June. A resurgent jet stream dips south and conveys a stream of Atlantic depressions in our direction.

I reckon you're better off just relishing our long daylight hours -- we have sunsets after 9pm from the start of May until mid-August. In my book you should start looking for good weather when the clocks go forward in March, because it's so often a case of "blink and you've missed it". Constant changes of light and shade are one of the most enchanting things about the Irish climate.

If I were to muck with our seasons at all, I'd reduce them to two -- defined by the clock changes and daylight saving hours. Even at that it would be hard, with our climate, to know what to call them -- Wet and Not-So-Wet? Mild and Milder? Salad and Beer?

It's all entirely arbitrary, so there is no good reason for all the seasons to be the same length either.

How about this:

Winter: Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb

Spring: Mar, Apr

Summer: May, Jun, Jul, Aug

Autumn: Sep, Oct

Really, spring and autumn are more of a transition between winter and summer rather than seasons in their own right - and our weather is so variable anyway. It can still be very wintry in March, it can still be quite summery in September. We had a late spring and late frosts this year as a poster pointed out above.

August in autumn is crazy talk. Sea temperatures are still rising and the days are still long.

Sould it not go on how much daytime each month gets.

If it was then the Summer months would be May, June & July

https://www.met.ie/cms/assets/uploads/2021/06/spring21sum.pdf

https://www.met.ie/climate/climate-of-ireland

Hell, here is their fun facts for primary school children (but not to be shown to the Catholics!) https://www.met.ie/cms/assets/uploads/2021/02/YP-Fun-Facts-Meteorological-Seasons.pdf

In my opinion, your previous posts are riddled with misinformation and highlight your lack of education. 😆

You keep mentioning how the seasons are a product of the Irish Catholic Church however you fail to recognise that there are actually 6 seasons in Catholicism not four - Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent, Holy Week and Easter. I have never once said the Catholic Church is the official calendar - it most definitely is not.

You also keep interchanging the terms Astrological and Astronomical - they are two different concepts. Astronomy is a science which studies celestial objects, space and the universe. Astrology is a pseudoscience - a collection of beliefs and superstitions based on superstitions.

The summer solstice this year in Ireland was on June 21st - this marked the day with the longest period of Sunlight - hence Midsummer. The summer solstice in Ireland is usually either the 20th or 21st of June.

The winter solstice this year in Ireland will be on December 21st - this will mark the day with the shortest period of Sunlight - hence Midwinter. (again usually 20th or 21st). Midwinter has nothing to do with how "harsh" the weather. It is half way through winter and the date after which we start to get more daylight.

Daylight savings has nothing to do with the weather and it is 'silly' to think it does. 😅 It is based on how much daylight is available on a given particular day (saving daylight). It is the practice of advancing the clocks forward by one hour in the spring so that darkness falls at a later time - thus having more sunglight during summer days. We then revert to Standard Time in Autumn.

Edit: You can discuss the Easter bunny away on another thread if you like, to your hearts content. I hate to break it to you though, its not real 😎

The date given was 21st June. Whats your point?

Friday the 24th is the Christian Church's designated date for Midsummer as it is the feast day of St. John the Baptist. You previously denigrated the teaching of the seasons in school to be the doing of the Catholic Church, then turn around and give the church's date for Midsummer. Priceless 😅