Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I hope the people who are all for vaccine passports because they are oh so virtuous realise that it won't stop at that. Oh, you didn't get your 5th booster shot? Rejected! And whatever else they want you to do. That is what you are signing up for.

The vaccines do not stop transmission. There is no need for a passport system in that case. Seems like there is a massive lack of critical thinking these days

And I wouldn't be thinking the US is so great either. Personally I feel there is a real risk of violence against unvaccinated people due to a mob being stoked up by the media. I thought it was just an online thing but some things I've heard in public recently are truly scary. I mean, the cdc came out and said that vaccinated people are just as likely to spread covid, seems to have fallen on deaf ears and rah rah but unvaccinated are to blame. They should all die etc etc. CNN commentators saying on air that they shouldn't be allowed in supermarkets. So...starve them to death or what? It's only a matter of time before it kicks off

Out for a few pints last night, a good few places letting anyone in. One place we went to was packed inside, was good craic.

Yes Don Lemon, a perpetual victimhood seeking woke moron.

He has stoked violence with the drug overdose death of George Floyd, and the whole BLM movement, and now this - a truly despicable character.

But he goes with the narrative so it's OK.

How are Israels restrictions ? IS it possible to travel there vaccinated or what ?

My guess is no, that barely anything has changed and restrictions are still rife.

This is what is ahead, vaccines mean nothing.

Sold a big **** lie.

This thread is getting stranger by the day. Some here appear to expect there should be no transmissions from those vaccinated, yet believe following Florida, who yesterday had the highest number of transmission since this pandemic started and 408 Covid deaths for the past 7 days (population wise the equivalent of 100 deaths here), is what we should be doing. Rather bizarre to criticise vaccines on one hand for zero transmissions, while on the other favouring a strategy that has resulted in the highest transmissions since the start of this pandemic,

Probably no point repeating this as some are determined to ignore it, but there was never a 100% guarantee that vaccines would stop transmissions. Their primary aims were in the reduction of severe illness and death. Something they are doing very effectively.

Even when it comes to transmissions, from the number of new cases, it should be glaringly obvious to anyone who wishes to see it that from the numbers of those now being infected who are unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated, that vaccines are greatly reducing infections.

They're taking the piss with restrictions and should be shut down.

Where are you getting that the US has reached herd immunity ? Massachusetts has the highest level of vaccination and even there it is only 64% fully vaccinated. The overall average is 50%. No US state is anywhere close to herd immunity.

The idea that vaccines have made no difference in terms of restrictions is a nonsense. Restrictions have and are being eased worldwide in line with vaccines reducing hospital numbers, ICU numbers and deaths.

For someone who is such a fan of Florida, where a wannabe Trump has dropped all restrictions and they now have the highest daily infection since the start of this pandemic and 408 deaths in the last week, why you are attempting to highlight Malta which has had 8 deaths in the past 3 months and Gibraltar with 1 in the past 5 months I find as bizarre as believing we should be following the wannabe`s strategy

Why does everyone ignore immunity after infection? It's looking like that gives better protection than vaccines anyway. Herd immunity is clearly not achievable with vaccines alone given that they don't stop transmission.

It knew, but they quickly ordered €9 worth of food so it gave them a pass.

I'd just like to point out out that Rand Paul is an eye doctor so he is as qualified as I am when it comes to epidemiology. And Florida is heading into the shítter with their, well, Floridaness. It will actually provide a good contrast to highly vaccinated states so it'll be one to watch if we want to see the the difference between high-vaccination states versus low-vaccination states.

I've been saying to my workmates we will be in lockdown in the winter again and they think I'm mad. How can people be so deluded.