Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

I am sure they will get bodies initially. How long they stay though is another question.

Pre-covid zero hour contracts were all the rage within our ground operations and it worked kind of okay for a short period of time. At weekends, peak summer, concerts, sporting events etc there was a noticeable increase in absenteeism which lead to long delays for the passengers. Managers therefore starting riding the existing staff pretty hard with a resultant loss of enthusiasm. Thing is most of these "staff" are kids. They live at home as they can't afford to rent. Many of the parents told their kids to quit and find alternative work which isn't actually all that hard considering how badly they are treated with no guarantee of hours, flexibility, leave etc.

Certainly underwriters do not want to hear from anyone involved in aviation and this will likely be the case for the next couple of years. Whilst I appreciate most restaurant workers seeking employment at the airport are probably unlikely to be entering the mortgage market anytime soon I couldn't recommend to anyone at this point in time to get a job within aviation.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

How is a minimum wage person supposed to even get to the airport at 3am on public transport?

Somebody say in Drumcondra when traffic and extra charges are accounted for is paying close to 40 euros return in a taxi... 40 euros out of every shift is tough.

200 euros a week, 800-900 a month on transportation... not doable.

Yeah there's 24 hour bus services, and a lot of Airport staff living around Ballymun, Swords, Santry, it's within cycling distance.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

How is a minimum wage person supposed to even get to the airport at 3am on public transport?

Management in those conditions wouldn't give a toss.

An absolutely absurd situation. Hopefully it's sorted.

Well it does not make sense to restrict the new runway at night from 11pm to 7am more like from midnight and allow use again in the morning from 6am. Would it make sense to convert a national road to a motorway standard and not allow the additional lane be used at some peak times?

What's the point in building up traffic if the numbers of flights are then capped at less than existing traffic levels surely this will affect the hub facility at Dublin with USA flights landing early.

Surely planes are a lot less noisier now than 10 years ago with the planning conditions were applied to the new runway?

I think the absurd thing is how it effects the current runway. Whatever about imposing restrictions on the new runway at night, by imposing restrictions on the current one far below its typical level of operations it places the airport in a strange situation where they'd be better off just not opening the brand new runway they've built as it'd limit them in their peak operating time to have two runways rather than just one.

Hopefully a sensible decision is reached to apply the limits only to the new runway and not to the already existing one who's flight path has been kept clear of built up areas.

The current runway is not clear of built up areas, tell that to the people of Portmarnock on the East, and Ballymun on the West.

There is no need for these runways to be operational through the night.

Its the same all over the world, dude.

What I was suggesting was reduced flights between 12 to 6am with possible only the existing runway in use and the new runway closed during that period, having lived in Ballymun for over 50 years I would have experience of flights etc. during all hours nobody including myself is suggesting no restrictions and free for all during the night as you say demand is not there. But it makes absolutely no sense to reduce existing capacity when the existing runway infrastructure works just because use a new runway is built.

The Runway was there before these areas were built up. Its like moving in next door to a stadium and complaining about noise on matchdays. Absolute nimbys. The new runway affects people who previously were unaffected and therefore nighttime restrictions are understandable. Restrictions on existing runways make no sense, especially blanket ones. The aircraft operating today are considerably quieter than their predecessors; if it was ok for 1-11s, 737 jurassics, 707s etc then it's absolutely fine for NEO, MAX, 787 etc.

Even if they were allowed use the noise Category system it would be somewhat understandable, or to expand the use of nighttime SIDS and STARS.

What if the source of noise moves and increases.

It hasn't, it has decreased with the advent of quieter aircraft, and as I said restrictions on the new runways are understandable, on the existing ones they are not.

They should never have been granted permission to build the new runway in the first place.

more serious fundamental concerns take priority.

It is simply absurd that some residents who knew full well a runway was planned there either before their houses were built or for 60 years in existing homes should hold up progress. They have been given grant money to upgrade their homes (money I would argue they should not have been given in light of the fact they knew exactly what was coming for decades). Considerable money has been spent on the new runway and we need to exploit it to the fullest.