The Ivermectin discussion

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

the big question remains why this drug, whose safety cannot be questioned, is not available off label to patients in Ireland for the prevention and treatment of Covid-19, as determined by the patient's doctor.

Just for complete disclosure, one author is an economist and the other an engineer and consultant for pharma. The easiest way to sway the FDA and other regulatory bodies is to complete a trial that people don't have lots of questions about and that shows it lives up to all these claims. Oxford are doing one so it might be better to see how that pans out.

The Irish Times reported that Dr Pat Morrissey in Limerick is prescribing Ivermectin. He is likely to be using the pre authorisation mechanism provided by the HPRA.

He partnered with Dr. Pierre Kory of the Eastern Virginia medical school and president of the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance. The current evidence that Ivermectin has a strong safety profile and has known anti-viral properties means his licence is as safe as houses. Witch doctor? ha! - you should go back to your mud hut.

And it's still a load of nonsense

Wow. You've really drank the Kool-Aid haven't you!

The doctor you mentioned in Ireland is cut from the same cloth as her. If there's thousands of doctors recommending their patients get vaccinated and 1 saying not to, take this worming tablet instead, after the hydroxycrap and zinc didn't turn out effective. Hey at least he didn't prescribe bleach. Then again that doesn't need a prescription.

I'm not saying this poster and these doctors are dangerous. But their actions actively take lives.

How someone sleeps soundly peddling this stuff is beyond me.

Ha! From where I'm standing everyone else is glugging it back!

So you accept the views you believe in, yeah that's a little more dangerous than following a herd mentality.

A certain doctor once said "In one video from 2013, the doctor attributes medical conditions such as endometriosis, fibroids, and cysts to “spirit husbands”, demons that have sex with women while they sleep.

“They are responsible for serious gynaecological problems,” Dr Immanuel said. “We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband.”

She definitely goes against the herd mentality, so you respect her. A president suggests bleach as a cure, he went against the herd mentality, you respect him also. Plenty of serial killers have gone against the herd mentality..... shall I go on?

And do you agree vaccines work and are safe and have done your part by getting jabbed to end this pandemic?

It's off topic but the vaccines are very effective at stopping serious disease, hospitalisations and death. However breakthrough infections and those who haven't been vaccinated for whatever reason could benefit from this inexpensive therapeutic.

You obviously presume that I haven't, think what you want - I'm here to talk about the merits of Ivermectin.

a little too close to the bone was it?

There is 2 medicines, A and B, both off patent, can be made by anyone, both cheap, both been used in medicine for years.

Medicine A went through a peer reviewed study, was found to be effective and is now being used, B also went through numerous studies but the results were inconclusive or the study was biased in some way, B is not being used and no major company is running further studies even though they could make a lot of money from it if it's effective.

Do people understand why medicine A became recommended and medicine B didn't?

Incidentally, it would be great if Invermectin was proven to work, all the Pharma companies and the generic manufacturers would start making it.

I'm actually surprised that there's still an active Ivermectin thread given that the original study, that supported its use, has been thoroughly debunked. I guess this is one of those things that some people will hold onto, despite no supporting evidence.

Take Poster A - this poster has no idea how the economics of generic drugs work. There is no Poster B